Diamorphine (heroin) -> Hydrocodone Dose Conversion

[blight12]

I am still trying to determine a safe dosage for a good high from H (Diamorphine).

This is my thought process:

1. I have seen a post here saying that 15mg Hydrocodone is a good medium to high dose for a first time, correct?

2. I then want to determine how i can take this information to determine the equivalent Diamorphine dose.
I have checked the opiates conversion page and done web research and cannot find Diamorphine on any of the conversion calculators or charts.

Can somebody please tell me what dose of nasal (for the sake of this calculation) Diamorphine is = to 15mg oral Hydrocodone?

3. I currently have Diamorphine in the form of street Heroin. Its properties:

a) It is a very dry powder that looks like ground up brown sugar and feels almost as hard as well (if possible can you guess the type or number?)

b) It works well nasally

c) 3 match head sized bumps produces effects similar to a good dose of Kratom. Unfortunately I dont have a scale for more accurate dose info

Based on this information can somebody make an educated guess at how many match head sized bumps could equal a safe decent medium to strong dose in a private setting where I would not be disturbed but also be able to stay awake and not fall asleep (some nodding is fine).
I understand this result can be achieved from 15mg Hydrocodone with no tolerance thus why i mentioned it.

I know im asking for a guess here but for the sake of my own HR please try give me an educated one using your experience which is much greater then mine since I am going to try making an educated guess myself in any case so your feedback can only help me.

If you know your H well but not Kratom to make the above comparison, could you try estimating based on common understanding of the purity of street H in the form of what I mentioned above. For additional safety assume my H is on the upper side of the quality spectrum average and thus reducing the overall dose

Thank you all. I simply dont know any other way in generating a educated estimate of the baseline dosage for my source of H moving forward.

For those who read my other posts, I originally started with a sticky fudgelike product but changed sources to the new powder one which seems stronger nasally so I would like to base my queries and calculations on this new product moving forward.

Cheers.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

Diamorphine is, by most accounts, anywhere from 1.5 to 2.5 times as potent as morphine. Most sources will just even it out and say diamorphine/heroin is twice as potent as morphine. You should be able to go from there since morphine is on all the conversion charts.

It seems to me that you know that street heroin is of questionable purity so when doing your conversion just pretend your heroin is 100% pure for the conversion and then use that dose. Since this is a basic dosing question I'm going to move it over to Basic Drug Discussion.

OD --> BDD

 

[Pagey]

I'm confused, you haven't found heroin on conversion charts...?

Anyway, I'm pretty experienced with both hydrocodone & heroin and I snort heroin as well soooo...what I can tell you is I think if I wanted to get the same effects as 15mg hydro I'd probably just do a thin ~5cm line, considering the h I get is about 40% pure.
This isn't very easy in terms of HR though so just be careful okay?

Also I think it might be important to note that a dose of heroin supposedly equivalent to a dose of another opiate can still affect someone much more strongly. Hydrocodone has never done much for me but a supposedly equivalent dose of oxy of heroin would have me nodding for hours.

 

[blight12]

Thanks guys, this will help a lot!

Yeah its not on the charts but this makes sense since its not avail as a prescription and street types obviously differ much in purity.

 

[Pagey]

Right, right. That makes sense actually. Well you know, since you can't gauge purity surely just start on the low side and you can always work your way up.

 

[blight12]

Right, right. That makes sense actually. Well you know, since you can't gauge purity surely just start on the low side and you can always work your way up.

Yeah but that's the problem, see i dont know what having to much feels like. I could be near a dangerous dose and only feel bliss and take more.
I dont know what the sweet spot feels like. I need somebody to give me landmarks or something so i know!

In other words, with other drugs taking to much fees unpleasant but not so with opiates am i correct?

 

[Pagey]

Oh okay. Is this your first time with heroin? How much tolerance to opiates do you have in general?

It's a bit difficult to give precise landmarks, I mean personally I just stop when I feel, you know, good...if you took too much yes you'll feel bad/sick/dizzy pretty quickly but unfortunately by then it's a bit too late. I would advise you to start with that one line as I recommended and give it about half an hour to fully kick in, that's about the time it reaches its peak I find. You should get a rush as soon as 5-10mn after snorting. If after 30-45mn you barely feel anything at all, do another line and give that a while, etc.

 

[helium-4]

Opioids produce unpleasent side-effects when you dose to high. Nausea is probably one of the bigger signs. Nausea, vomiting, lose of balance, double vision, difficulty consciously trying to stay awake, etc

 

[blight12]

Cool, we finally seem to be getting somewhere!

Yes my first time was this weekend where i have been testing first time opiates (besides Kratom) and first time H (cant get any other kinds here)

Let me describe what i think is the highest I have gotten due to being being careful and probably taking small doses.
Tell me if this is low dose, high, etc. I do nasal only and will try plugging next weekend

1. I feel good with decent euphoria but no where near as i expected based on the "No human should ever feel this way" consensus I was hoping for.
The most euphoria so far has not yet surpassed a good/high Kratom dose however it is far "cleaner" and of a better quality but not "more" so to speak.

2. If i move around or walk i am fine and wide awake very functional. Slight balance issues walking, just shy of anybody noticing if they where looking out for it specifically.

3. I feel comfortably warm, no sweating but sometimes a moist clammy forehead.
I do however have a fan blowing on me permanently due to African heat and also since meth turns my bed into a splash pool.

4. I like to spend my high lying on my bed with my laptop. In this position:

a) I tend to get drowsy. It will come in waves where i am feeling great and wide awake and then a short while later i will realize my eyes are closed but I am still awake and aware of my environment. This feels pleasurable however i prefer the wide awake portion. Im guessing this is the nod.

b) This realization and the opening eyes reaction will result in difficulty reading and focusing eyes for a minute or two.
Usually i can stare and focus hard for a few seconds to temporarily read something during this short recovery time but relaxing makes it unfocus again until the minute or two is up.
One time however i was relaxing and consciously remained nodding for a bit longer then usual. When i snapped out of it i couldn't read anything at all no matter how hard a tried for about 3 minutes.
It was weird since my vision seemed clear otherwise but somehow somebody had blurred out text like they do in videos.
This freaked me out for a good while after.

c) Coming "awake" and the opening eyes reaction tends to come with a gasp or deep intake of breath but in a positive way that feels good.
Feels like a gasp of relief maybe but without the prev state needing relief if that makes sense.

d) To confirm again at no point in the trip do i ever feel shortness of breath or breathing issues that feel uncomfortable.
I do notice changes in breathing though, like i will unconsciously/automatically tend to breath in and hold my breath and tighten chest for a few seconds and then do the same after fully breathing out. Im not sure however if negative respiratory depression even feels bad. Can you confirm?

e) I will find that often when im watching movies or series i will progress into the nod with my eyes closed and (before i realize they are closed) continue to watch and see the movie in my head where i am making up or hallucinating what is going on while i am still listening and can hear the audio.
When i realize my eyes are closed its always interesting and enjoyable to see whats really going on in the vid visuals wise and rewind to rewatch and see how close my brain got to reality.

f) If im not doing anything specifically or reading/surfing the net, I will nod out and be able to visualize random things extremely clearly and have some control. Its like lucid dreaming which i used to experiment with a lot in the past

5. I notice a desire for speaking and being social with others if I am in that position but I dont think about it or seek it out otherwise.
I notice an effect on speech and a minor slurring which I can cover up successfully if i remember to do so.

6. During the drowsy spells its very difficult to type and my hands feel heavy and floaty at the same time. They often float in the undesired directions.

7. Most bodily control issues can be dispelled by standing up or doing physical stuff.

8. I can get very dry mouth on the come up for about 30 minutes after the new dose

9. I can get a minor headache about 2 hours in which i learnt to resolve by treating dehydration. I know ensure i drink alot of fluids at all times now

10. I struggle to pee even more so then with meth. Relaxation and psychological techniques i perfected with meth doesn't wortk for opiates.

11. I feel motivated and want to do work and think about work but this is prob cause i enjoy my work and often consider it a hobby or what i do for fun

12. So far i have been using the strategy of using small doses and increasing dosage over time waiting 40 minutes between doses to be safe. I think this has likely prevented me in getting to higher proper doses here the full experience comes out since i run out of my window for safe use (nighttime when other house guests are asleep)

13. So far i have been to scared to start a new night with a bigger dose to skip a head since the come up still makes me nervous and a bit uncomfortable.
To clarify this I have found that i enjoy the experience most during what i think is the plateau or the downslope like around 2-3 hours after the last dose.

14. I have never so far received a hangover or a noticeable comedown with even the smallest negative effect. This also makes me think i am on low dosages. Can somebody give me an idea of what the comedown or hangover of a proper desired dose should be like?

15. I often get anxiety when high and there is perhaps only minor reductions in my usual anxiety or fears when I am high and in no way do opiates offer anything even close to the commonly understood aspects of escape from reality or removal of all fears, worries etc. For me meth does all of this perfectly but not opiates so far.

16. On a strong come up when seeing is difficult and im feeling good, i will have the desire to move my body, stretch it, contort etc.

Now lets discuss common side effects of high or dangerous doses:

1. Nausea. Max a mild nausea for 30 minutes after a new dose or sometimes when walking around within 1.5 hours after a dose.
This side effect is a problem for me since nausea is a very rare thing for me when it comes to drugs. I have always been lucky to be somewhat immune to nausea with all other drugs that are known and expected to produce it as well as with large doses where others might always puke.

Therefore when i feel even slight nausea with H I might be getting overly careful thinking im on a high or problem dose when for example I might just be experiencing beginners nausea and my dose is in fact low. So, I feel this side effect cannot really be trusted in my case.

2. No vomiting so far

3. Very minor balance issues. IMPORTANT. I feel i could use this to judge my dose. Can somebody please describe to me exactly the walking issues including severity and key differentiators between low, medium, high and dangerous dose?

4. i get vision vision issues as described above. It is more rooming spinning like when drunk and less double vision. I ca n often loose the most pointer for annoyingly period of time . Obviously there are differentiators between mine and BAD ones indicating high dose or danger. What are these?

Thats it. PLEASE, if there are any other consistent milestones I can use om my travel to the ideal dose that doesn't include death please impart them unto me and be rewarded with the chance at saving a life. Thank you my friends.

 

[Tony Williams]

Hi. I have had 80%+ hEROIN #4 before and the dose was 15mg snorted with NO/LOW tolerence IT TAKES 15m to feel and longer to peak. It's diff from smoked/ived. Snorted still is a risk as it builds up. WHen I snroted it throughout the day 15mg ers I would get sidee effects.

WITHOUT 0.001 SCALES YOU ARE KILLING YOURSELF DUE TO THE SLOW ONSET/RISK PLEASEE GET SOME/ IN Demark its calledkiller heroin. Maybe at least pack it into 100mgers and from that 1/4 then 1/2 - the thing with smoking #3 is its instant so ODing is hard.

With good gear I at night time have heard voices from HERoin. THey say the noises are you sleeping and falling downwards into hell where the dagon is..........