Mental Health Diagnosed with Bipolar Type 2?

[RichardMooner]

Actually, bipolar is categorised as a "biopsychosocial" disorder, which is pretty much what it says on the box. It's a biological condition strongly influenced by environment, upbringing, life time experiences and socialisation.

Bipolar has possibly one of the widest prescription profiles of any mental health condition. There are a lot of different medications that work in a lot of different ways that are prescribed for it. Some might help you, some might be a really wrong fit.



I'd trust the opinion of the guy with the minimum ten year medical education and experiencing treatment other people with mental health conditions much more than I'd trust priests and religious text interpreters.

Strongly agree.

 

[RichardMooner]

Psychiatry preaches that bi-polar is a biological disorder, a purely internal one, that can not be cured. You are not on any devastating drugs right now but trust that they DO prescribe devastating drugs for bi-polar.

Seek peace from God and be careful with trusting human opinions. Humans are, after all, prone to error and there is no objective biological test that can show you that you are in need of medication for bi-polar. Are you comfortable with being put on drugs that affect the brain in ways we do not know based solely on your psychiatrist's opinion?

I appreciate the thought and concern, but I do not believe my problem can be solved spiritually, as I do not believe it is a spiritual problem. However, that doesn't mean I just pop whatever pills a Doctor throws at me. I research all of the medications my therapist suggests, extensively, and have turned down meds on multiple different accounts and she's totally cool with that. If I'm not comfortable taking it, she isn't comfortable prescribing it.

 

[NOtoInvega]

I'd trust the opinion of the guy with the minimum ten year medical education and experiencing treatment other people with mental health conditions much more than I'd trust priests and religious text interpreters.

A priest would say the same things you say. Priests have nothing to do with God. A piece of paper from the RC Church does not make someone an apostle of God, as has been shown.

And on that note, a piece of paper from a university does not make someone a soul doctor. "Psyche" means soul. Psychiatrists only receive so much "education" because they have to become real doctors before they join the ranks of those who just make things up and state opinions. Psychiatry has no objective science behind most of what it involves. That is because objective science will never prove that there is a biological cause for a spiritual issue. A brief overview of the history of psychiatry will show that arguments based on authority and not proof are..wait what else would they have been anyways? Worth the paper they are written on.

Before someone accepts psychiatry, someone has to accept that everything is biological and nothing is spiritual. That theory has never been proven, but it persists to this dollar-driven day.

It is useful to see that psychiatrists are saying the same things about neuroleptics that they said about lobotomies

 

[SixBuckets]

A priest would say the same things you say. Priests have nothing to do with God. A piece of paper from the RC Church does not make someone an apostle of God, as has been shown.

Whatevs. I don't make judgements on other people's religions or engage in debate with religious people.

And on that note, a piece of paper from a university does not make someone a soul doctor. "Psyche" means soul.

... which is a completely different word to the prefix "psycho-" as used in my post, meaning "of or relating to the human mind".

Before someone accepts psychiatry, someone has to accept that everything is biological and nothing is spiritual. That theory has never been proven, but it persists to this dollar-driven day.

I find it strangely reassuring. Our brains contain worlds entirely of their own creation. Everything we experience is meat, chemicals and electricity, but putting those things together in the right way makes you you. Isn't that awesome?

 

[NOtoInvega]

I find it strangely reassuring. Our brains contain worlds entirely of their own creation. Everything we experience is meat, chemicals and electricity, but putting those things together in the right way makes you you. Isn't that awesome?

Our brains do not contain worlds of their own creation. Our brains interpret the world around us. But there is more than what is physical. The Bible says God made everything that is seen out of unseen things, and I have personally seen unseen angels save lives.

Similarly, everything we experience is not just physical. Much of what we experience is spiritual. Especially things of a psychological nature. Lies are particularly devastating.

We also know, scientifically, that 90% of what is around us is unseen and undetectable. If that 90% affects our experience, there is much more than just chemicals and electricity going on.

Something I find interesting is that when you lay in bed, there is more space in that bed that is empty than there is that is there. On a subatomic level, things are very empty. It is amazing that it all comes together and manifests in the world around us, considering there is more nothing in matter than there is something in matter.

 

[SixBuckets]

Our brains do not contain worlds of their own creation. Our brains interpret the world around us.

If you say so.

On filling in: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/mind-the-gap/

On false memories: http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-24286258

On hallucinations: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2660156/

And the wiki page on dreams: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream

But there is more than what is physical. The Bible says God made everything that is seen out of unseen things, and I have personally seen unseen angels save lives.

Cool. Must have been a pretty full on experience if you believed in that, but not in psych meds making people feel better.

We also know, scientifically, that 90% of what is around us is unseen and undetectable. If that 90% affects our experience, there is much more than just chemicals and electricity going on.

Well, no, we know that humans are generally speaking pretty bad at detecting almost everything. We don't see all colours, our sense of smell is awful, our perception of temperature can only detect change, etc and so forth. There's a lot around us that humans can't detect with their bodies, but that has been identified by scientific exploration. There's also stuff we can't detect with our current level of technological advancement, but that's improving every day.

Something I find interesting is that when you lay in bed, there is more space in that bed that is empty than there is that is there. On a subatomic level, things are very empty. It is amazing that it all comes together and manifests in the world around us, considering there is more nothing in matter than there is something in matter.

Yeah, that's pretty cool.

 

[RichardMooner]

A priest would say the same things you say. Priests have nothing to do with God. A piece of paper from the RC Church does not make someone an apostle of God, as has been shown.

And on that note, a piece of paper from a university does not make someone a soul doctor. "Psyche" means soul. Psychiatrists only receive so much "education" because they have to become real doctors before they join the ranks of those who just make things up and state opinions. Psychiatry has no objective science behind most of what it involves. That is because objective science will never prove that there is a biological cause for a spiritual issue. A brief overview of the history of psychiatry will show that arguments based on authority and not proof are..wait what else would they have been anyways? Worth the paper they are written on.

Before someone accepts psychiatry, someone has to accept that everything is biological and nothing is spiritual. That theory has never been proven, but it persists to this dollar-driven day.

It is useful to see that psychiatrists are saying the same things about neuroleptics that they said about lobotomies

So if my problem was in fact spiritual, what exactly would that imply? Are you referring to something along the lines of Logotherapy?

 

[NOtoInvega]

So if my problem was in fact spiritual, what exactly would that imply? Are you referring to something along the lines of Logotherapy?

IDK what that is. A spiritual problem can be different things. Fallen angels rule this world for one thing, despite all the people saying God is in control (God is the one who called Satan the ruler of this world).

So if it were a fallen angel, what you would have is a spirit of confusion. You would have question marks where peace should be. God brings a Spirit of peace and not confusion.

So what you are dealing with is

Spirit of confusion
Spirit of peace

Or, it could be generated internally. If you do not have a relationship with God, there is a void that is never satisfied. You will continually try to fill it with sin, which won't work. And if you try to stop sinning, that won't work either. Some people try to get peace through superficial self-righteousness.

Everyone will have to deal with fallen angels, even if you have a relationship with God. It's just part of living in a fallen world. They are more evil than you can imagine (more evil than I could have imagined before I found out what I know). They are sentient beings, too. Not just a spiritual force.

So the answer, regardless, is to seek God and to seek peace.

Now, that is not to say some meds won't help. Vyvanese is a good one. But there are many meds that will hinder you, and things that hinder you are bad. When you get in the realm of bi-polar, that is where they start to think (based on theories) that hindering you can be a good thing.

Regardless of what you use in the physical, you can only get inner peace from one source.

Whatever you do, stay away from neuroleptics. They WILL hurt you.

Our brains often fail to properly interpret the world around us. That is because the world, along with the brain, is fallen. Often, people try to make sense of the world around them using their own human understanding. And that is where major problems arise. Because then they take what they observe, fail to verify it objectively, and act based on a false understanding.

Some questions are good to ask. Why is the world dying and decaying, and why is there something instead of nothing in the first place. Then, how is it possible that the something that IS here is so complex and perfectly put together, yet still dying and decaying? The Spirit of peace brings answers to questions like these. The spirit of confusion has endless question marks, and the one who brings the spirit of confusion tries to keep you asking the wrong questions.

 

[NOtoInvega]

I should also mention that a need for control is what causes most of our problems here on earth. People always want control, and they will sacrifice peace if it means they can have control. What is interesting is that they don't even end up with control. Just the perception of control. Control is a delusion.

So, if you have a need for control, that could be coming in between you and the Spirit of peace.

 

[SixBuckets]

Whatever you do, stay away from neuroleptics. They WILL hurt you.

Richard, if you check out the thread called (I think) "anyone here have schizophrenia?" there's some people (inc me) explaining how antipscyhotics and similar have been really positive and effective treatment. Everyone's different.

 

[RichardMooner]

Richard, if you check out the thread called (I think) "anyone here have schizophrenia?" there's some people (inc me) explaining how antipscyhotics and similar have been really positive and effective treatment. Everyone's different.

Thank you. I'll check it out now.

 

[simco]

Stay away from Zyprexa unless if you want to become a zombie and knocked out all the time. I tried it once and it put me straight to sleep.

Yeah, I second that. I actually stayed on zyprexa for about a year after a suicide bid. I was a drooling idiot zombie the whole time. It was not a productive year.

 

[Rachella666]

Yeah, I second that. I actually stayed on zyprexa for about a year after a suicide bid. I was a drooling idiot zombie the whole time. It was not a productive year.[/QUOTE
im pipoar type 1 and was put on zyprexa 30mg which resulted im me gaining over 3 stone in a yesr, the devils drug for some ????xxx Rachelxxx