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Dexamphetamine is a straight street drug

I have ADHD and was prescribed Dex for it. Amazing, like turning on a light switch in a dark room, my mess of thoughts suddenly linear and complete and comprehensible.

However the euphoria was too much, it was disabling to try to lead a normal life.
And the come downs were so massively brutal and this is just from taking a few tablets a day which is all I ever took.

The insomnia was the worst, that is what I believe was my undoing.
If I had been able to sleep properly every night I think I would have been ok. But the sleep deprivation meant I would be awake till 4am and still be wide awake at which point I would give up and take my morning dose and start the day again without sleeping planning to get everything back to normal by missing that night.

It just didn't work like that. The sleep deprivation and the dex conspired to make me manic and paranoid and over time, they totally took over my life.

I became obsessed with "inventing" and building things. Stupid shit, It wasn't like I was trying to build a time machine, more some multifunction "thing" that could go on a car or some kind of functional art.
It was all doable but the time and the place and the priority was all fucked up.

I ended up scratching around in skips at night for materials to build this shit, I would find something a bit different and think "Hey I can turn this into..." and it would snowball.
I would drag this shit home with all these plans but there were always so many other competing plans and new ones spawning constantly.

In the end I had burnt friendships with my erratic behaviour and I knew it couldn't go on. I couldn't function with them, I couldn't function without them.

I took 300 odd tablets to my GP and he handed them out to me a few times a week to get me off them.

Ever since I did get off them (5 years ago) life has been less bizarre but I have no creativity, my thoughts are a constant jumble, I struggle so much.
I have been on endless antidepressants, mood stabilisers, fucking antipsychotics which scared the living shit out me with their side effects (hammering OCD and auditory hallucinations when I had never had them before)

Nothing has ever compared with the "aliveness" I felt from just a few dex tablets per day.
I miss the energy, I miss the calmness of my thoughts (on the peaks not the troughs" I miss the creativity that has been totally absent ever since.
I feel like I am only operating at 30% It feels like less of a life.

I have a new psychiatrist who I have been honest about my history with them (hence he has not prescribed, nor have I asked)
I could never have that little bottle of tablets in my possession again, they are too much of a temptation to help me get through difficult emotions, too much of a temptation to push me on when I should give up and go to bed.

I would like to think that a small dose compounded with a mood stabiliser, benzo, or antipsychotic in a long acting formulation could bring back the magic without all the nastiness.

Not meaning to hijack the thread but does anybody have any thoughts on this?
 
Middleway, you could maybe try something like Strattera, which is another medication for ADHD but not an amphetamine.

The effects you are describing though are obviously from far too high a dose. As you probably know, for someone with ADHD, taking amphetamines increases activity in the areas of the brain involved with inhibition, thus decreasing random stimuli for distracting you and increasing your attention. Thus for someone with ADHD taking the right dose of amphetamines will bring them up to a normal level, but wont make them high. The effects you describe are the typical effects of amphetamines for a normal person, which a person with ADHD can achieve, but only with much higher doses.
 
I read the first page and there was so much miss informed facts on there regarding the cause of ADD/ADHD and the reason for using Dexeamphetamine sulphate and methylphenidate (ritalin/alza etc).

I have ADD/ADHD myself and i've researched and have had the reasons for using Dexies and Ritalin as treatment for ADHD explained to me by a psychiatrist.

"Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) appears related to two neurotransmitters - Dopamine and Norepinephrine" - http://www.enotalone.com/article/4121.html

ADD is related to a neurological disorder, where two of the brains neurotransmitters levels are far lower than normal, "10%-25%" of that in "normal" individuals.

The dopamine and norepinephrine re-uptake "pumps" don't do their jobs properly, re-uptaking more of the neurotransmitters than normal.

A lack of Dopamine is related to hyperactivity, whilst a lack of norepinephrine is related to inattention and inability to focus on tasks etc.

Dexeamphetamine increases production of Dopamine and Norepinephrine as well as acting as a Re-uptake inhibitor of the mono-amine transporters, so by blocking the pumps that deplete these chemicals, and by producing more of them at the same time. This is what I'm prescribed and it does a lot more for me than Methylphenidate.

Methylphenidate (Ritalin/Alza) increases the amount of Dopamine and Norepinephrine as a re-uptake in inhibitor of the mono-amine transporters.

When i take dexeamphetamine (or even methamphetamine), i become stimulated and energetic (an unable to sleep if i take it past 6pm, which is useful for smashing out a essay the day before its due) But it also allows to keep a crisp and clear thought stream and a motivation to "get shit done" that i can never get otherwise. I'm able to process information (and store it), so it makes studying, passing school and getting a degree possible.

To deprive people of this miracle treatment would be fucking stupid, ie conforming to the Scientology discourse.

I don't think it's over prescribed (in Australia anyway), I've had mates try to wing a prescription for ADD medication and have been laughed at, as they need to get a referral from a GP to a specialist (Psychiatrist or a Pediatrician), then be placed under a heap of tests.
 
Oh and I've never experienced a comedown from Methamphetamine, Dexamphetamine, or Ritalin. Even in Higher doses...

I've only had a comedown from when i was caught out by the BZP pills, i chewed two of those "red radioactive", was the first and last time I'll ever buy and consume a drug while out and about...

Anyway, I dont even feel scattered after taking my dexies, if i dont take them i just revert back to my ADD thought streams... "oooh look a rabbit!"
 
PHP: 
Middleway, you could maybe try something like Strattera, which is another medication for ADHD but not an amphetamine.

The effects you are describing though are obviously from far too high a dose. As you probably know, for someone with ADHD, taking amphetamines increases activity in the areas of the brain involved with inhibition, thus decreasing random stimuli for distracting you and increasing your attention. Thus for someone with ADHD taking the right dose of amphetamines will bring them up to a normal level, but wont make them high. The effects you describe are the typical effects of amphetamines for a normal person, which a person with ADHD can achieve, but only with much higher doses.

Hmmm interesting thought, the only conclusion being that I must be abnormal in a non adhd way. Then again, ADHD and bipolar or comorbid like 40% of the time so it could be something like that. Meh
I have played with all the recreational drugs, even crystal meth, but nothing got a hold on me like those fucking things. It was a good 6 months off them before I had any kind of "normal" energy levels or mood stability.

But without word of a lie, I was only ever taking 4 or 5 tablets per day, never more.
Amphetamines is general seem to effect me profoundly more than others which is why I havn't touched them for years now despite my love for them.

Evil little fuckers
 
I have a friend who was on ritalin for years and he is one of the most sensitive people to methamphetamine I have ever known. Strangely enough, the same guy has been on zoloft for years but back when pills had MDMA and we used to take them he would get high snorting or eating like half a pill every few hours and kept this tolerance over many months of weekly use.

I know it isn't exactly on topic but it is interesting how you are hyper sensitive to stims like my mate.
 
somuchflippy said:
I read the first page and there was so much miss informed facts on there regarding the cause of ADD/ADHD and the reason for using Dexeamphetamine sulphate and methylphenidate (ritalin/alza etc).

I have ADD/ADHD myself and i've researched and have had the reasons for using Dexies and Ritalin as treatment for ADHD explained to me by a psychiatrist.

"Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) appears related to two neurotransmitters - Dopamine and Norepinephrine" - http://www.enotalone.com/article/4121.html

ADD is related to a neurological disorder, where two of the brains neurotransmitters levels are far lower than normal, "10%-25%" of that in "normal" individuals.

The dopamine and norepinephrine re-uptake "pumps" don't do their jobs properly, re-uptaking more of the neurotransmitters than normal.

A lack of Dopamine is related to hyperactivity, whilst a lack of norepinephrine is related to inattention and inability to focus on tasks etc.

Dexeamphetamine increases production of Dopamine and Norepinephrine as well as acting as a Re-uptake inhibitor of the mono-amine transporters, so by blocking the pumps that deplete these chemicals, and by producing more of them at the same time. This is what I'm prescribed and it does a lot more for me than Methylphenidate.

Methylphenidate (Ritalin/Alza) increases the amount of Dopamine and Norepinephrine as a re-uptake in inhibitor of the mono-amine transporters.

When i take dexeamphetamine (or even methamphetamine), i become stimulated and energetic (an unable to sleep if i take it past 6pm, which is useful for smashing out a essay the day before its due) But it also allows to keep a crisp and clear thought stream and a motivation to "get shit done" that i can never get otherwise. I'm able to process information (and store it), so it makes studying, passing school and getting a degree possible.

To deprive people of this miracle treatment would be fucking stupid, ie conforming to the Scientology discourse.

I don't think it's over prescribed (in Australia anyway), I've had mates try to wing a prescription for ADD medication and have been laughed at, as they need to get a referral from a GP to a specialist (Psychiatrist or a Pediatrician), then be placed under a heap of tests.
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I wouldn't go so far as placing a definite cause-effect judgement regarding ADHD/stimulants. All we know for sure is that it works; the rest is purely speculation right now.
 
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