Desperate help with MDMA use and after effects

[JTBX]

Im still kind of new to this whole thing. So basically I started using MDMA a few months back, took what must a have been a quarter gram, and about some weeks later took atleast a 0.7 dose. Took a long 2 month break over christmas from university and recently did it again, about 0.5 and again two nights in a row about a week ago.

Well some background information would be useful here: I have had some problems with allergies in the past, eczema, asthma though they are mostly gone now but I have always had this issue where I will always wake up with puffy swollen eyelids - the more tired the better I actually look but the more rested the better I will feel and look as the day goes on- strange and on worst but rare days a stuffy head feeling, weakness and red/itchyness, I think this just has to do with my body's sensitivity and history of being allergic to things, and the doctors really never found a problem, they said I was normal (atleast in regards to my eyes). Well anyway so I have always had this issue and then I started using MDMA.

I got the amazing buzz but I noticed my eyelids swelled up while using it the first two times. I am not sure if that has repeated itself when I used it again as I did not check in the mirror and just partied, but every time after it has worn off during the night I felt immeditaely drained, to the point where I could knock out to sleep. However, I immediately awake a few hours later and even though I feel tired I cannot go back to sleep. This has happened every time and the sporadic sleep lasts for a week a so. Along with this I get scary kick-reflexes while trying to sleep and bad dreams, including hallucinations of changing faces and lieing down in a club when I was actually in my bed, days after I used it. As I write I am suffering intense panic attacks to the point I felt nearly suffocated to death, including yesterday. I smoked weed a few times this week but it only aggravated the paranoia and panics.

I felt totally ill, stuffy and messed up and my memory is all over the place. I am now in severe depression, I do not know what is going on, I feel isolated and alone at university even though I shouldn't, it feels like my friends are drifting away when they probably arent, met a girl Im making out with but I still feel lost as if there is no one to express my feelings to. I was totally fine last term. Yet in a space of a week after using it all this is happenrning, hell I even put my name on a room swap for my accomodation because the room seemed too enclosed to me. It feels however that these anxieties are based on truth but the mdma is aggravating them? but I am not sure. I am just hoping I dont get those nightmares that strike exactly a week after using as I have before. I would also add that I get the itching, heat and dazed feeling as well as if I have hayfever. Lastly, I would like to add that I appear much more skinnier almost immediately after use every time (my family told me I lost a lot of weight, people have been saying as well), can it affect diet and weight loss? I dont even feel that hungry anymore either this week?

My basic plea is to anyone who knows anything about this, what are the effects, have I been using too much? Is my body allergic to it (most probably)? Did I take too much? Long term problems associated with it? Its a good high but the negatives outweigh the positives for me, I cant go on like this I feel absolutely fucked. To me I personally feel this has all happened after md use.

 

[XxxshortyxxX]

If you look online, you can find a TON of information on the negative effects MDMA has on your body and your brain. It causes your seratonin recpeptors to work overtime, so after it wears off there is usually some depression, as your receptors have been over worked. I too suffer from anxiety and depression and MDMA was always a blast for me- untill it wore off. For some people it is very easy to become addicted to MDMA. I would say if you are having health concerns stop using it for a while, give your body a break. Then pay close attention to how you feel next time and go from there. MDMA can cause alot of damage to your brain if used regularly so be careful. I used for a week straight and at the end of the week I couldnt see. I wear glasses now. I dont know if it was the MDMA or not, but its not a risk i'm willing to take anymore. Be safe.

 

[JTBX]

Thanks man, I am mainly concerned with long term mental health and brain damage problems, but this short term stuff is horrible to go through as well.

 

[XxxshortyxxX]

Our bodies have an amaizing ability to heal. With how much you have used I would say your body will return to normal in time, but if you dont give yourself breaks inbetween and continue to use large amounts you will feel the negative effects. It literally puts holes in your brain. There are brain scans to prove it.

 

[JTBX]

actually the holes in the brain is a myth, but I agree with what the rest of what you said.

 

[XxxshortyxxX]

I was just reading about it. It is a myth. The scans were checking for seritonin levels i believe. So the scans actually just show decreased seritonin, correct?

 

[Silveren]

took what must a have been a quarter gram, and about some weeks later took atleast a 0.7 dose. Took a long 2 month break over christmas from university and recently did it again, about 0.5 and again two nights in a row about a week ago.

Those are very high doses, obviously everyone reacts differently, but without a tolerance you should be able to get the desired effects from 100-200mg. It's also not recommended to take MDMA more than about once every 4 weeks, to allow seratonin levels in the brain to recover, but it seems like you are aware of that already.

Can't help with the allergy side of things I'm afraid, except to mention that the same (puffy face and eyes) tends to happen to me, although I have no allergy history. I usually attribute it to staying up all night partying, and just burning myself out. The other issues - sleep problems, depression, lack of appetite etc are all common side-effects from MDMA, but usually only last a day or two. I would suggest lay off the drugs for a while (including weed, if it aggravates the problem), and possibly see a medical professional if your symptoms don't let up.

Honestly, your post raises as many questions as answers. Did you test your product? Did you get it from a reliable source? Could MDMA have interacted with any medications you may take? Did you take the whole lot at once or redose? (Redosing releases dopamine into the brain, as the seratonin reserves are depleted. Dopamine can have a destructive effect on seratonin receptors, which are super-sensitive after taking MDMA).

Here's the Ecstasy Discussion Directory - I suspect there may be some useful information there for you.

Hope some of that helps, good luck!

 

[Cainetaine]

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Heres the thing. As a 17 year old male going into University in Ottawa, Canada i figured i would experience all the lovely pleasures drugs could induce at the end of the summer. My reason for doing so was based in overcoming fear of the highs that drugs give you, overcoming irrational fears associated with ridiculous internet propoganda, etc. At the same time i kept a reasonable head about purity, etc. I should before state that ive smoked weed daily, a gram a day for 2 years, then almost the same amount for the year before. I found literally no impairment from weed smoking that wasnt gone by the morning. During high school i was high for every class, yet was able to fool every teacher and faculty member. I sold weed even, almost to play a game. Being caught four times and searched, each time with an ounce hidden in my binders, i had to fool adults while rather stoned and found it easy, although anxiety ridden it was fun. Magic Mushrooms were one hard drug i was pressured into doing, but found i really enjoyed the trip. So much so that i used it 10 times total, over the course of 2 years however. I had 4 bad trips, mostly based on what i was thinking about, hence my conclusion that it isn't as easy a drug as most, like weed. Doing cocaine for the first time had nearly no effect except for waking me up. I would think this was because i took small lines of a .1 or .2 but over the two nights(a week apart) i used half a gram then one gram and didnt feel much aside for teeth numbing and cooler smoking. It did make me feel like i wanted more but not in a craving way. When i drank morphine(it tasted quite nice actually) all i felt was a warming sensation in my chest, very comforting, but not very debilitating either. Not many mind altering effects. Albeit i only ingested a three tables-poonfulls. Salvia however, was very interesting. The first time i tried it was just a 10 minute trip,starting with a torrent of laughter, which then turned into brief fear of the excess of physical effects(dopamine) i was feeling, followed by relief after it had ended. The second time, i must have ingested a higher dose or or smoked a larger rip for my trip was the most intense experience of my life. While the first trip was a blur to remember, the second was a vivid dream. The music i chose to play soon became part of a horrible trick on humanity, where all or just myself were to form letters from the lyrics of the song, in tight spaces with intense force keeping you inside or threatening to bring you with it. The people i was with spoke coherently but said things they had not said. After i became angry at humanities fate, before ending it all with heartfelt laughter plastered to the opposite side of the room(wall). MDMA, however, has been most compelling to me. Mostly because i have always had trouble fathoming positive effects from hard drugs or the possibility that they do not harm the body. Its been 6 months since my first roll. The majority of the time ive spent occupied by things requiring higher intelligence, confidence and feeling, things generally harmed by such heavy weed use and you would think MDMA use. Its relatively easy to detect MDMA purity, if you inform yourself. The first time i did MDMA it was poor quality unfortunately, but used 2.4. It felt right to assume it was speed for the chatter it provoked and very warm rush. It also left me wanting more as the night went on, probably an effect of the combination of dopamine and sert. anyways i wanted to do it the day after but didnt need to, and soon forgot about it. Later a childhood best friend of mine had begun selling it in the TO scene and would never lie to me about contents. a pill whose active ingredients are 90% m and 10% speed is relatively pure. I only wanted to do half of these pills to start, and had quite intense, focused highs, nothing like the first time ofcourse, the peaks were minor. When i used one pill the effects were certainly more pronounced. I soon discovered how much "purer"( to me meaning familiar to normal seratonin highs) the high was of pure MDMA to ecstasy, even if his M was coloured off white. Still very pure, but in crystal any colour but translucent implies a slight to large abnormality to failure to make a clean product. It is fairly simple to tell pure MDMA once you know how it tastes, the consistency, that it is like a synthetic salt. Anyway ive never fiended doing MDMA, or doing more than i should, whether it will work or not. I believe that many people believe they lack seratonin because PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET ARE FUCKING RETARDED and(think inception) believing you are debilitated will stimulate less drive(dopamine) thus feel less happy and attribute the loss of dopamine to seratonin. I think alot, as a skeptic, all i seem to do is think. I can think of many permanently negative effects of MDMA use, or atleast can conceive of them. But my brain tells me it is content. After using MDMA for the past 6 months( 2-2.5 grams over the period-roughly 20 rolls) i feel that i have more control over my drives, and find the contentment related to seratonin even easier to prompt. The drug seemed to waken me up to how good you can feel naturally because the Pure form doesnt actually alter your Seratonin molecules themselves. Ive felt similar many times. Were you to abuse the drug, maybe it would be different. After not using it for a month recently i still felt no alteration of my mood. I have never experienced a depletion of seratonin it seems. Is that possible? More likely, MDMA doesnt actually deplete your seratonin, it just slows down its transition from the digestive system to the brain. In people with a fast metabolism, the depletion is probably innoticeable. Since the seratonin re-released into your snyapses are not altered(if its pure) it shouldnt cause degredation for obvious reasons. Since mollie has long been regarded as a chemically safe compound, strangely made from safrole oil and a harmless reactant of oxygen and chlorine, the inexistance of seratonin molecular change is important to understanding its effects. Any adultered MDMA will release different things with different reactions. I find doing things that make me feel accomplished give me a trippy sense of satisfaction. The nature/nurture argument for psychology could very well be used to explain how excess of seratonin could enable easier access to the feeling. It is to be remembered that the release of seratonin from eating red meat gives a very similiar feeling but highly toned down. As seratonin is also related to control of emotion(dopamine mostly) the understanding of how excess seratonin makes you feel afterwards must be investigated. The aftereffects could be proven positive. I assume the problem with this drug is not the use but the stupid thought patterns of, well, stupid people. Basic psychology teaches you to think positively, you can will yourself 10-15% better when sick, etc. The power of believing in negative side effects of a drug that may temporarily reduce a chemical you dont always interact with too much in the brain(more of a reward complex, small levels seem to constantly generate, enough to function, but a lack affects how you feel more) is more harmful than its effects. Depression, anxiety, stress are often caused by over thinking. Clear your mind of thoughts and you probably wont experience negative effects from all your usage. I cannot find any no matter what i do. The tolerance factor is probably also related to the reward complex and how you trick yourself into feeling less good(when you repeatedly receive something you desensitize yourself to its value, though still enjoy its merits-when you dont you miss it) do MDMA less often and the feeling of slight anxiety or fear of the effects will return. Anyway, when established newspapers all over the world are contradictiing the views of most of their leading politicians and correlating scientific studies to tell us that MDMA is safe, why would you believe otherwise? They still say dont buy it from the street. If what you buy doesnt break into relatively white, consistent, almost saltlike powder, or doesn't taste strongly of MDMA its not good or impure, so dont use it. Few drugs are actually harmless when you get down to the research. It seems that drugs working on your sense of accomplishment and imagination are far less harmful than those that work on your drives and will(dopamine). Dopamine is known to kill seratonin when released unregulated. Seratonin always seems to replenish itself, this is probably because most of it is in your digestive system anyway. It is sooooooo much more than what your brain uses temporarily. Because it is a sense of contentment and feeling good that is minorly noticeable in everyday life, telling yourself you cannot feel good at all will easily fuck up your normality, especially with a strong placebo inducer like drugs. There is no negative as far as i can tell. The only thing i find negative is how interested i am in seratonin and dopamine now. When you understand how much more important is regulated dopamine, you will understand that METH is extremely dangerous compared with MDMA. Psychopaths have dopamine, they have trouble producing seratonin. We realize it little when sober, it is as simple as feeling empathetic. Hence why repeated MDMA use and a lack of excitement(dopamine) to use it will detract from how good it will feel. Though with any pure MDMA, i judge if its pure for sure by whether or not i can rest comfortably, in a clear minded sleepy but awake state.