DESOXYN: just started on, need advice from others familiar with it....

[Newmoonrecord]

There's no paranoia if you use it properly and dont abuse it

 

[Le Junk]

Le Junk, all I have on hand is 5-htp, l-tyrosine, SAMe, zoloft, weed, tramadol and lorazepam. Except for the zoloft and weed, the rest I bought after reading this site. I'm just not sure which ones to take and how much. Would any of these work with coke since I don't have valium? It would definitely be a step in the right direction if I could at least cut out the alcohol because of the health risks. thanks for your advice.

I hope you have alot of the last one you mentioned, lorazepam. That'll work just fine. But get familiar with it first to learn what your desired dosage is, unless you already know. Then you can really enjoy whatever crap your getting clevearly desguised as cola! So as it turns out, one out of seven options was one you actually needed. At least you had seven options to choose from.

Le Junk

 

[Le Junk]

I know I would probably get flamed for this but how about the new class of ADD meds called Selective Noradrenaline Reuptake Inhibitors (SNRI) such as Strattera (Atomoxetine). Look it up on Wiki. It provides little recreational value but it's also supposedly non habit forming or scheduled in any way. I have ADD and Adderall and just amphetamines in general make me fatigued at low doses, and at higher doses they are simply very easily abusable and addictive. Don't dismiss Strattera just because it's not speed because it gave ME the best clarity, focus and energy I have EVER experienced! And it's 100% not controlled! Go figure. I tried it on accident as my friend was given a buncha samples he wasn't taking. My dose ranged anywhere from 10 to 40 mg and allowed me to get everything done. I was in total control of my life, felt completely normal, NOT high. I took it for a couple of weeks overall and only stopped because I am very low on funds and Strattera costs 5$ per pill with no insurance. If, like you said you want clarity, not a buzz, then Strattera may be ideal for you as there is low to no chance of addiction and you've mentioned that you've had some cocaine abuse issues in the past. Look into it at least.....

Don't worry, your not the first one to mention Strattera to me. The others came in the form of PM's, but I truly appreciate your response anyway. Honestly, the Desoxyn is very difficult to figure out my desired dosage on. I try one and it wears off in 2-3 hours and leaves me tired and lethargic. It's supposedly another 3-4 hours before my next dosage, but if I take two close together, it's uncomfortable and certainly not enjoyable either......

The benefits only last for the first hour or two after the initial onset. And I'm also a little concerned of the possible addiction factor, though the high alone is certainly not a pleasant one I would choose of my own doing. The physical addiction is what I worry about. I'd certainly hate to be addicted to something I dislike. 8) That'd be a first!

I'm seeing the doctor again on the 8th of Oct. and was either going to ask to be dropped down to Dexedrine or Strattera. I do like the non-addictive qualities of the Strattera, and will probably go that route. I think the appealing and possible "high" qualities of the amphetamines/methamphetamines truly played a roll in my overall decision to obtain Desoxyn in the first place. I'm over that notion and am simply wanting to feel normal now.

I appreciate your, and all the others advice and will keep you posted as to my progress whichever route I ultimately end up going.

Le Junk

 

[MDPVagrant]

Well, good ole Le Junk has successfully given up on his 20+ year cocaine/ecstasy adventure, and has now been sober for over 4 months!

Holy crap man, has it really been that long since you posted that "I'm quitting" thread? It's truly hard to believe, it feels like it was last week. But then, I've had serious issues the past few months and am lucky to be alive.

Glad to hear you're doing well staying away from stimulants... be careful with prescribed amphetamines, they could bring you back to coke (or should I say, could bring ME back if I were in your shoes). As long as it's prescribed and you're not misusing it IMO all is well.

Peace...

 

[swilow]

Well, Desoxyn is not meth, its dextromethamphetamine- supposedly less peripheral effect.

 

[goldilocks37]

I hope you have alot of the last one you mentioned, lorazepam. That'll work just fine. But get familiar with it first to learn what your desired dosage is, unless you already know. Then you can really enjoy whatever crap your getting clevearly desguised as cola! So as it turns out, one out of seven options was one you actually needed. At least you had seven options to choose from.

Le Junk

Is lorazepam one I can do before, during and after like you mentioned with Valium?

 

[Le Junk]

Is lorazepam one I can do before, during and after like you mentioned with Valium?

Yes.

Le Junk

 

[Le Junk]

Well, Desoxyn is not meth, its dextromethamphetamine- supposedly less peripheral effect.

That's not what it says on my script page. Just says methamphetamine, nothing before, nothing after. It even tells you how to pronounce it correctly, for those that may have a problem with stuff like that.

Check this out: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/meth/meth_images.shtml

Compared to this, for example: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/amphetamines/amphetamines_images.shtml

And then while your at it, this one: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=15361


Le Junk

 

[SpellmanT7]

I can definitely feel for you Le Junk.

Whilst I don't have your history of cocaine abuse (but have always enjoyed reading about it), I know what a bitch it is to have ADD + desire to take drugs that, well, are pleasurable/cognitively-enhancing (the second aspect especially).

Before I even realised I have had ADD for years(but very much not ADHD - my medical history suggests that I actually had ADHD from 3/4 years old but I think I dropped the 'H' around my mid-teens), I'd often thought about the potential for abuse that could come from such a prescription.

Even when I'd been tested and diagnosed (being honest during the consultation too), my mind was more 'now how easy will it be to increase that initial dose and how long do I wait' and not 'Let's see how effective this is at treating my ADD'! I'd already researched how to dismantle the extended release variation of my medication before it arrived but somehow resisted abusing it for a couple of months.

<I wouldn't have abused it at all, if it'd actually worked for more than a few minutes>

I wish I could offer some helpful advice. From what you say + your history of 'constructive cocaine use', I think you are only going to benefit from one of the bona-fide dopamine inhibiting stims - methylphenidate, dexamphetamine or methamphetamine. Strattera, being only a norepinephrine inhibitor, would probably be crappier for you than the poor bastards who are taking it (I say 'poor bastards' because some docs seem to have a genuine neurological erection for strattera, on the grounds that it isn't technically a stimulant).

Last time I checked, norepinephrine increased heart rate, diastolic and systolic blood pressure

Still...

It's not classed as a stimulant, so it *couldn't possibly* be stimulating and must be simply wonderful

(there have been a disturbingly large number of reports that mention alteration of behaviour and depressive symptoms with strattera, in the short time it's been on the market)


I reckon you're in for a long haul. Even if my methylphenidate was working quite well, I don't think I'd be able to resist wanting to switch just in case dexedrine worked better. ADD/ADHD'ers frequently report improvements that totally contradict logical expectation for the medication they're taking - at least you have a larger choice (a single isomer version of methylphenidate and desoxyn of course) than the three meds available in the UK.


Just one more thing - could you crush a desoxyn and tell me how effective it is sublingually?

I take my methylphenidate that way because otherwise I get nothing from it. I'm not talking about a buzz, just an improvement in my concentration.

(god, I ramble on a lot...I must have some disorder that makes it hard to be succint or something )

 

[theanine]

No problem bro, that's what we're here for, right? Interesting thought, perhaps years of cocaine abuse have exhaused your dopaminergic system, downregulation and such. So, dopamine activating amphetamines to little to nothing or paradoxically have the opposite effects on you due to your dopaminergic system being underactivated. Hence, noradrenaline enhancing Strattera MIGHT be of help, if you have insurance you are risking nothing by trying it. I wish I did! In any case, I have tried various pharmaceutical grade amphetamines to very little effect while Strattera being unsheduled and uncontrolled totally kicked me in high drive! I was very skeptical at first. Strattera to me feels like what I thought speed should feel like. I got huge pupil dilation too. Non-stimulant??? HAHAHAHA It's the most potent upper I have ever tried! The pharm company somehow convinced the FDA to classify it as such, which is simply untrue, but it does allow for MUCH larger profits due to the lack of federal control and consequent medical approval. What a tactic!8)

Don't worry, your not the first one to mention Strattera to me. The others came in the form of PM's, but I truly appreciate your response anyway. Honestly, the Desoxyn is very difficult to figure out my desired dosage on. I try one and it wears off in 2-3 hours and leaves me tired and lethargic. It's supposedly another 3-4 hours before my next dosage, but if I take two close together, it's uncomfortable and certainly not enjoyable either......

The benefits only last for the first hour or two after the initial onset. And I'm also a little concerned of the possible addiction factor, though the high alone is certainly not a pleasant one I would choose of my own doing. The physical addiction is what I worry about. I'd certainly hate to be addicted to something I dislike. 8) That'd be a first!

I'm seeing the doctor again on the 8th of Oct. and was either going to ask to be dropped down to Dexedrine or Strattera. I do like the non-addictive qualities of the Strattera, and will probably go that route. I think the appealing and possible "high" qualities of the amphetamines/methamphetamines truly played a roll in my overall decision to obtain Desoxyn in the first place. I'm over that notion and am simply wanting to feel normal now.

I appreciate your, and all the others advice and will keep you posted as to my progress whichever route I ultimately end up going.

Le Junk

 

[dbailey11]

All I want to know is how you managed to get a doctor actually precribe it to you. I heard it's the least prescribed ADD med because of its extreme abuse potential. Be careful man, it's even easier to get addicted to than coke. Oh, and obviously you left out the minor detail of you past history of drug use. There's no way in hell they would put you on that if they did know. And even more astounding is they didn't try other alternatives first; ritalin, dex, adderall.
All I can say is you have the most liberal psychiatrist on earth.

 

[OverDriven]

There's no paranoia if you use it properly and dont abuse it

Sure...does it sound like he doesn't want to abuse it? I'm just saying for the sake of LeJunk...this is not a good route to recovery IMO.

 

[nods]

"All I want to know is how you managed to get a doctor actually precribe it to you. I heard it's the least prescribed ADD med "

YER-i was thinking the exact! same thing! like straight to Desoxyn? that is kinda hard to believe.

I remember when i read a couple years ago that the USA had a script Methamphetamine med, i couldn't believe it!.

If you pick up your pills and straight off crush sm' up and blow, it doesn't sound like you are THAT serious about 'treatment' yer?

I'v read that Desoxyn is nothing like shards thou, more like Adderall-only smoother and less crash.

 

[Broshious]

"All I want to know is how you managed to get a doctor actually precribe it to you. I heard it's the least prescribed ADD med "

YER-i was thinking the exact! same thing! like straight to Desoxyn? that is kinda hard to believe.

I remember when i read a couple years ago that the USA had a script Methamphetamine med, i couldn't believe it!.

If you pick up your pills and straight off crush sm' up and blow, it doesn't sound like you are THAT serious about 'treatment' yer?

I'v read that Desoxyn is nothing like shards thou, more like Adderall-only smoother and less crash.

As far as I know Desoxyn and crystal are the exact same thing. Both are D-Methamphetamine.

 

[nods]

^yer?-wouldn't know personally-just read this from someone who seemed to know bout what they were saying.

Peace

 

[BandOnTheRun84]

Well, Desoxyn is not meth, its dextromethamphetamine- supposedly less peripheral effect.

Dextro-methamphetamine is meth.

The levo isomer of methamphetamine is not nearly as CNS active as the d-isomer and is really only effective as a decongestant. It's available over the counter and unregulated/unscheduled.

 

[smackem]

My doc that RXed me dexadrine (180 10mg IR) he told me that you have to be on a medication like that or adderall for 2 weeks to auctually know how you are doing on it. But then again, he also mentioned how it rlses a lot of seratonin or what have you, for 2 weeks when you start. And some other side effects go away after 2 weeks or so. And thats when you know what your medicine will or won't do for you.

 

[smackem]

and you can simply buy l-methamphetamine OTC. Right? Didn't I read that somewhere on here?

edit: beaten

 

[smackem]

Don't worry, your not the first one to mention Strattera to me. The others came in the form of PM's, but I truly appreciate your response anyway. Honestly, the Desoxyn is very difficult to figure out my desired dosage on. I try one and it wears off in 2-3 hours and leaves me tired and lethargic. It's supposedly another 3-4 hours before my next dosage, but if I take two close together, it's uncomfortable and certainly not enjoyable either......

The benefits only last for the first hour or two after the initial onset. And I'm also a little concerned of the possible addiction factor, though the high alone is certainly not a pleasant one I would choose of my own doing. The physical addiction is what I worry about. I'd certainly hate to be addicted to something I dislike. 8) That'd be a first!

I'm seeing the doctor again on the 8th of Oct. and was either going to ask to be dropped down to Dexedrine or Strattera. I do like the non-addictive qualities of the Strattera, and will probably go that route. I think the appealing and possible "high" qualities of the amphetamines/methamphetamines truly played a roll in my overall decision to obtain Desoxyn in the first place. I'm over that notion and am simply wanting to feel normal now.

I appreciate your, and all the others advice and will keep you posted as to my progress whichever route I ultimately end up going.

Le Junk

I'm pretty sure they have desoxyn XR

 

[BandOnTheRun84]

I'm pretty sure they have desoxyn XR

Nope, I believe the only available formulation is a 5mg IR tablet.