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DESOXYN: just started on, need advice from others familiar with it....

Le Junk

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Well, good ole Le Junk has successfully given up on his 20+ year cocaine/ecstasy adventure, and has now been sober for over 4 months! Suweeeet! =D But now I'm unfortunately reminded of the whole reason I started using those drugs, especially cocaine, in the first place. My ADHD symptoms have now fully resurfaced in full form which takes me back to 23 or so years ago when I first found the perfect self medication for ADHD........cocaine, of course! Once I discovered cocaine (real cocaine) around 1986, all of my ADHD problems were completely solved.

First, let me again reinterate, that real cocaine gives an immediate sense of well-being, immense clarity, depression eraser, intense ability to focus, a sublte and underlying calmness as it is truly a relaxing stimulant, increased confidence, center of the universe, increased talkativeness without obsurdity, with a bonus side of increased libido. Yes, yes, yes, I know todays cocaine is just a mere shell of it's former self with absolutely no positive effects whatsoever, including but not limited to being speedy, edgy, ampy, paranoid, introverted, racy, uncomfortable, difficulty speaking, miserable kind of drug, so NO, I don't like it anymore either, nor would it be a cure for ADHD as well.

However, as most of you are aware by now, I simply learned how to clean todays cocaine and that is what enabled it to still be a cure for my true underlying illness, ADHD. Well now I've quit using coke entirely as it was truly ruining my life and more importantly my marriage, but had forgotten all about the ADHD thingy. Now it's been 4 + months of sobriety and son of a bitch, here's the freakin' ADHD again! Dammit! :X

Anyway, my symptoms are severe hypertensity, brain constantly swimming, speaking faster than my brain can keep up with, no focus, no concentration, inability to complete tasks, 4 tasks feel like 400, etc. etc. etc.

So, being a former heavy drug user, and being a very good salesman, I naturally wanted the very best of the ADHD drugs and son of a gun I got it, Desoxyn! My doctor had never even heard of Desoxyn, but he ended up writing me a script for it anyway with the help of my bogus advice, but true symptoms. He presecribed me the book recommended dosage of two 5 mg. tablets a day, one to be taken in the morning and one in the afternoon. Now I'm going to be totally honest with you guys about this next part, so try not to judge me. It was the former addict in me that made me do this.............

When I finally got my script filled, I was so excited, just like when scoring blow use to be, that I immediately went home and crushed two of those little 5mg. tablets up and snoted both of them (old habits and not knowing any better). Well, somebody up above was paying me back bigtime because it certainly wasn't anything like coke (which honestly, I was kinda hoping for), but more like pure hell! It didn't burn at all like I thought meth was suppose to, and within 5 minutes I started feeling kinda dizzy. I then, over the next couple of hours, went thru a feeling of being totally disconnected, anti-social, a little disoriented, blurred vision, and kind of an out of body feeling. Anyway, good times! :p Is this what meth is suppose to be like? If so, real coke (not todays shit, but real coke) blows this shit away.......BIGTIME! NOTE: Meth users are probably going to say that my method was wrong, it wasn't the right form of meth, that you need to shoot it, smoke it or whatever, but I'm not interested in any of that, so let's just skip the suggestions on that issue, okay. I'm not lookin' down on anybody, I'm just not interested in any new highs, cool? ;)

Okay, I'll admit the first day was completely idiotic on my part and that I had absolutely no idea of what I was doing. It said on the bottle to ingest the pills and not to immediately rush home, crush them up, and then proceed to snort them. It's just my old habits that got the best of me. So, the first day of supposedly going to just have fun with these little things is completely over now and I never want to got thru that again.......period! I'm now seriously in this for the therapy only, and I have absolutely no idea of how much, how often, or whatever of these to take a day, nor did my doctor really. He simply said we'll start out with the recommended dosage of two 5 mg.s tabs a day, which can be raised to as high as 25 mg.s a day, but that is totally unimaginable to me. 8o

Now, let's cut to present day. I take one in the morning and I get a warm, kind of calming feeling come over me. I actually get so calm that I could probably fall asleep. I can certainly eat a shitload on these things, that's for sure! But I find myself yawning etc. which would tend to make me think it's working, but at too small of a dose. I really don't get any immense clarity or focus either at that dose. Now I will say that the other day I did overdue it with 3 tablets, just to experiment a little with the effects at a higher dose, but did them to close together (all 3 within an 8 hour period) and actually became really amped out! It was almost like being back to my normal ADHD hyperactivity, but I could tell that this time it was drug induced.

But here's the HUGE closer! After going thru the amped out stage which seemed to go on for hours, probably 4 to be exact, I finally came down, and at that point, I truly feel I reached the absolute pinacle of optimum results when this tremendous clarity, calmness and incredible sense of being able to focus on absolutely anything that came across me. I can't recall feeling that "normal" in I don't know how long! That feeling lasted right on thru the rest of the evening and on up to bedtime. I felt great, but without feeling like I was high. Basically, just like I said, "normal". I then fell asleep for 8-9 hours and woke up feeling great!

Since then, I haven't taken anymore at all until I was able to get onto Bluelight and ask if there's anyone else who's on Desoxyn, and if so, just how much their taking, have you experienced any of these side effects, am I taking to little, to much, to often, not often enough, and most importantly, is there a period of time this drug must be taken before any positive results are seen (kind of like SSRI's) and so on. Do the positive effects come later on like they did for me, or are they supposedly immediate once the right dose is acheived? I have so many questions because after feeling the way I felt after that one perfectly unplanned episode, I know I'm probably on the right medication, just on the wrong dosage. Keep in mind, I do not want to get high off of these anymore. It was certainly unpleasant at best.

One final note. Naturally, after hearing I obtained Desoxyn, a couple of my friends insisted I let them try one. On just one, they were both speeding their balls off. They said it was absolutely great! They said they felt no euphoria or anything like coke, but they did say they had the energy of a newborn for hours! One of them cleaned his whole house and did all of his laundry while the other one mowed my lawn for free, and almost the neighbors too before I was actually able to stop him! ;)

Thanks in advance for any responses.

Le Junk :)
 
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Le Junk, methamphetamine and amphetamine feel like your descriptions of real cocaine to me. Real cocaine feels like your description of Desoxyn, to me.
 
So, being a former heavy drug user, and being a very good salesman, I naturally wanted the very best of the ADHD drugs and son of a gun I got it, Desoxyn!

Maybe desoxyn isn't the right medication for you. I do not know what else you have tried so maybe that is your last resort. To me it sounds as if you wanted the challenge of getting what you perceived to be the best medication from your Doc (which I can certainly understand).
 
Coolio said:
Le Junk, methamphetamine and amphetamine feel like your descriptions of real cocaine to me. Real cocaine feels like your description of Desoxyn, to me.

Well then one of us definately has ADHD! The question is who? ;)

Le Junk
 
Damien8787 said:
Maybe desoxyn isn't the right medication for you. I do not know what else you have tried so maybe that is your last resort. To me it sounds as if you wanted the challenge of getting what you perceived to be the best medication from your Doc (which I can certainly understand).

Oh, that's definately a possibility. I started at the top, but it's an easier climb down on the presription ladder. If this doesn't pan out after a couple of weeks, at the exact prescribed dosage, I'll try dropping it down to Dexedrine.

I'm just hoping to hear from someone who's actually on it, or been on it, to see if it's an aquired result, or if it's effects are suppose to be immediate. Well, that and all the other questions I had, of course.

Le Junk :)
 
Coolio said:
I have ADD, but not ADHD.

Seriously? I was just kidding around, but are you on any meds for this? And if so, do meds such as Desoxyn take time to achieve the desired effects, or are they immediate. I've gotta run, but I'll look forward to your response when I return. Oh, and if you are on anything for your ADD, what is it? Thanks! ;)

Le Junk
 
One more thing. The description of my Desoxyn pills are as follows:

small, white, round, domed and not scored

side one: OV
side two: 12

They are non-generic Desoxyn, and were prescribed "as written". I then look up pictures of 5 mg. Desoxyn tablets on Erowid and there are two different pictures, but both are the exact same pill and it's made by Abbott Labs, have the Abbott logo on one side and TE on the back.

^^^^So what's up with that anyway? Am I accidentely on the wrong drug here, or did Abbott sell out to a different company? The pics from Erowid are from 2002 if that means anything. :\

Help!! I hate the way these things make me feel!!!! I mean tired and hungry on meth. Is that even possible?

Le Junk
 
Coolio said:
Le Junk, methamphetamine and amphetamine feel like your descriptions of real cocaine to me. Real cocaine feels like your description of Desoxyn, to me.

i totally agree with this, and i would like to add that methylphenidate (ritalin) has always felt extremely similar to cocaine for me. so mayhaps that could be the right ADD med for you?

ps. you should get an immediate effect on focus and concentration, its not like SSRI where you have to take it for weeks to get the desired effects.
 
stirfry said:
i totally agree with this, and i would like to add that methylphenidate (ritalin) has always felt extremely similar to cocaine for me. so mayhaps that could be the right ADD med for you?

ps. you should get an immediate effect on focus and concentration, its not like SSRI where you have to take it for weeks to get the desired effects.

Well then we must be having a problem with this particual med then. After posting this thread today, I went ahead and consumed one 5 mg. tablet of Desoxyn, and within an hour or two, could barely keep my eyes open. I almost had to pull over in rush hour traffic to take a nap. Oh, that and I grabbed a Subway meal deal an hour after consuming the pill too!

Meth+food+sleepy=can this even be possible? Cocaine (real, or the fake stuff they serve nowdays) never made me tired or sleepy? Somethin' ain't right here.

Anyone? :|

Le Junk.........nodding off from pharmacuetical grade methamphetamine!!!!
 
Le Junk said:
Well then we must be having a problem with this particual med then. After posting this thread today, I went ahead and consumed one 5 mg. tablet of Desoxyn, and within an hour or two, could barely keep my eyes open. I almost had to pull over in rush hour traffic to take a nap. Oh, that and I grabbed a Subway meal deal an hour after consuming the pill too!

Meth+food+sleepy=can this even be possible? Cocaine (real, or the fake stuff they serve nowdays) never made me tired or sleepy? Somethin' ain't right here.

Anyone? :|

Le Junk.........nodding off from pharmacuetical grade methamphetamine!!!!

If you find that you just can't stand it I would be more than willing to take them off your hands. It'll be quite a burden for me, but I always try to help others.
 
5mg is hardly a dose that is going to upset your appetite or cause overpowering stimulation.

You must have some good insurance, as the only reason why I am still sticking with Dexedrine is because the equivelent amount of Desoxyn would cost me over $650 per month and has to be special ordered by all the pharmacies I talked to. Generic Dexedrine IR is a lot more convenient at $25 a bottle.
 
Sounds like desoxyn could well be a suitable drug for you, just need to adjust the dose to optimise the effects. And yeah crushing it up and snorting it probably isn't the best if you are really wanting the therapeutic effects rather than trying to get high!

If 3 pills gave you a useful effect once it started wearing down a bit, then probably 3 pills a day would work for you, just maybe space them out over the course of the day rather than taking them all close together, say one at breakfast, one at lunch and one in the mid-afternoon.

Also you might want to try combining it with modafinil, as this is also used for ADHD, and in my experience modafinil combined with desoxyn maximised the focus and concentration effects, but reduced the speedy rush.
 
BandOnTheRun84 said:
5mg is hardly a dose that is going to upset your appetite or cause overpowering stimulation.

You must have some good insurance, as the only reason why I am still sticking with Dexedrine is because the equivelent amount of Desoxyn would cost me over $650 per month and has to be special ordered by all the pharmacies I talked to. Generic Dexedrine IR is a lot more convenient at $25 a bottle.

No, I paid with cash, but I'm 42 years old and make a good living working for myself, so it wasn't really a burden. Now the $2000 a month coke habit took a lil' bite out of my nestegg, but Desoxyn, nah.

But I was going to ask about Dexedrine as well. So, I'm glad you responded. From what I understand, Dexedrine is the next step down the ladder from Desoxyn. Is this correct? And it's also an amphetamine vs. methamphetamine, correct. Supposedly the best of the ADHD amphetamines as well, yes? Maybe I don't take well to meth, but am more tolerable with D-amphetamine, perhaps? Is this a possibility?

thanks, Le Junk
 
wasn't it adderall that struck a chord with you to begin with. why not try to figure out the best dosage of that and possibly combine it with a benzo at nite? i'm in the same boat as you and need to find a LEGAL alternative to coke before my upcoming doc appt. I've only been prescribed SSRIs but from reading these posts i gather there there are a lot of other alternatives (are some of you pharmacists or what?). Never tried an opiate or benzo either but from what i read they come highly recommended. the best i've done is coke. it makes me feel like -you only live once so you might as well feel like this. one question, alchohol always seens you intensify the effects of coke but i am so damn sick of it. is there anything else that can do the same?
 
It's a little different from other amphetamines, for sure. It's not the same as street meth either. It's probably one of the most unique and powerful stimulants ive used, but it has a distinctly different mental profile than other stimulant drugs of abuse. If desoxyn didnt work for ya, dexedrine or adderall might, but neither of which felt like coke to me. Ritalin did however. I'd recommend you try daytrana next actually, since you had such a bad amphetamine experience, it'd probably be good to check the other side of the fence so you have something different to compare further adventures with. It's the best form of ritalin if you're not into IVing or snorting (and still gives a decent rush). Methylphenidate seems much more "clear and quiet" to me than amp.

As a side note: I get strange hunger pangs from desoxyn alone out of all the stimulants, however it does decrease my appetite mentally, it's just that it upsets my stomach and can be relieved instantly by eating a few bites. So maybe you just feel hungry because of the weird stomach feeling from the comeup
 
goldilocks37 said:
Never tried an opiate or benzo either but from what i read they come highly recommended. the best i've done is coke. it makes me feel like -you only live once so you might as well feel like this. one question, alchohol always seens you intensify the effects of coke but i am so damn sick of it. is there anything else that can do the same?

It's imperative you try Valium. Not Zanax, but Valium. It's absolutely amazing and takes away the edgyness and ampyness of todays coke and leaves you with just the euphoria. It's like doing your first line all night. I would take it before, during and after using todays cola. Almost makes shitty cola feel like old school cola. Highly recommended and I would know. Zanax are alot easier to get and they suck with cola. Makes you feel wierd, forgetful, and disconnected. Avoid at all cost! And Valium is what they'd give you if you came in with an OD on coke anyway. Good stuff!

Alcohol combined with cola is dangerous anyway. It creates cocaethylene which is an outstanding buzz of it's own, but very bad on the ole heart. Valium will give you an even better, yet similiar buzz, but without the dangers of OD.

Good luck................

Le Junk :)
 
I know I would probably get flamed for this but how about the new class of ADD meds called Selective Noradrenaline Reuptake Inhibitors (SNRI) such as 8o Strattera (Atomoxetine). Look it up on Wiki. It provides little recreational value but it's also supposedly non habit forming or scheduled in any way. I have ADD and Adderall and just amphetamines in general make me fatigued at low doses, and at higher doses they are simply very easily abusable and addictive. Don't dismiss Strattera just because it's not speed because it gave ME the best clarity, focus and energy I have EVER experienced! And it's 100% not controlled! Go figure. I tried it on accident as my friend was given a buncha samples he wasn't taking. My dose ranged anywhere from 10 to 40 mg and allowed me to get everything done. I was in total control of my life, felt completely normal, NOT high. I took it for a couple of weeks overall and only stopped because I am very low on funds and Strattera costs 5$ per pill with no insurance. If, like you said you want clarity, not a buzz, then Strattera may be ideal for you as there is low to no chance of addiction and you've mentioned that you've had some cocaine abuse issues in the past. Look into it at least.....=D
 
Hey man...I'm not trying to be the buzz kill here, but giving up a coke habit for a meth habit is not recovery nor is it a good idea. If there is one drug that fucks up lives faster than coke it's meth. Wait till the paranoia kicks in.
 
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