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i spin tribal house, a lil progressive...go to djpaulo.com and listen to some of his live sets...some people think this is tecnho far from it..

techno is not played in clubs in nyc anymore really..techno is full of hard bass, barely no words, and usually , fast as hell..there is no soul to it, its like what song can go faster and make noise

chicago house would be like bad boy bill, it has a "booty like beat" to it and sometimes can get very funky and fun..chicago doesnt sound anything like tribal, tribal is the shit though

u dance to tribal, ravers wouldnt know what 2 do...i HATE it when i go clubbin and see glow sticks and ravers tryin to dance like that 2 tribal, please its insullting
 
Raving is like masturbation: It may not be pretty, but as long as everybody is having fun, what's it to ya? :-)

I do hate party snobs. If you aren't having fun, go home. If somebody else is having fun looking stupid and listening to bad music, it's none of your concern.

techno is not played in clubs in nyc anymore really..techno is full of hard bass, barely no words, and usually , fast as hell..there is no soul to it, its like what song can go faster and make noise
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That's an extraordinarily narrow definition of techno. On most planets, House is techno.

The very wise sci fi author Theodore Sturgeon once said that 90% of everything is shit. That's true for techno as well, but if you wade through enough of it you do find some real gems. The top 40 charts are no more of a reliable compass to substantive techno than they are to substantive rock or hip-hop.
 
Househead79 said:
go to djpaulo.com and listen to some of his live sets...some people think this is tecnho far from it..
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*yawn* it's nice but too chill... if i was at a party and listening to this i would probably take a little nap...
 
u r out of your mind if u say paulo would put u 2 sleep...the man is insane on the sets, thats y raves r out my friend cuz the music and scene is and will always be a fad or phase...if u dont like paulo, u just dont like house music, u like the retarded, ear aching techno..us djs go through alot of music when buying our vinyls, i have an ear for music and techno is just a MESS

i am not easily pleased with djs, when i heard paulo i was like wow...u prolly cant figure out a way 2 dance to it bc so that why u decided to take a nap

other good sites...peterrauhofer.com-no music links, just good house music conversation

chadjack.com
djmannylehman.com
victorcalderone.com

enjoy!

chad jack used to do chicago, more tribal and circuit now
 
i like house... but i find hardcore (not gabber, but especially progressive) more enjoyable for a party..
 
Everything degrades overtime. A Golden Age is always followed by a Dark Age. The club scene in New York is in a Dark Age. Exit and and Sound Factory are done... Need I say more on that? Raves arent what they used to be but they could make a comeback. The main factor that contibutes to the decay of the club and rave scene is the people who become so jaded and begin to preach about what was then while talking down the whats now to people getting into the scene. People need to realize that the scene is something that goes from one generation to the next and in a sense evolves. Be happy with your expereinces and pass them on to the next generation of ravers and clubbers. Be it trance, eurodance, vocal trance, goa-psy trance, hardcore or house music being played in some club in Ibiza, New York or a rave in the UK or States its all part of a culture. If you keep complaing about how bad the scene is nobody is gonna want to be part of it and it will just wither, and rave and club culture as we know it will cease to exist.
 
My own experience with the rave scene in the UK is that you rarely get one with an exclusive type of music throughout the whole night, but out of them all Techno and Drum&Bass seem to be the most popular....House is pretty tame in my opinion and I'm happy for it to stay out of the rave culture:)
 
er ... how do you all mean 'techno'. To me techno is anything between Umek/Carl Cox/... and hardtek (bit like gabber). I have a feeling our US friends are talking about happy hardcore, coz I really can't see cyberkiddies ("candy ravers") going to listen to Guy McAffer, Suburbass or whatever ...
 
i dont know what nyc u chill in but maybe the straight people r in a dark age...being gay the scene is far from dead, with amazin parties at krash on fridays, roxy or spirit on saturdays, and avalon on sundays..far from dead bro when u have the likes of peter rauhofer, chad jack, merritt, manny lehman, dj paulo, and etc spinnion on a weekly basis..i do believe the gay scene has all the talented djs and plays the best music
 
Househead79 said:
i do believe the gay scene has all the talented djs and plays the best music
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I find it a little unusual that you can say the gay scene has ALL the talented DJ's, and just completely disregard the rest of the clubbing scene.

For most of my life i have submerged myself completely in the clubbing scene, from NYC to Ibiza to London to LA, from Trance to Breaks to House to Techno, from gay nights to straight nights to day clubs and beach clubs.

I reckon i have sampled a fair share of what clubbing has to offer. I force myself to try new nights/styles/djs etc as much as possible.

For this reason, i feel i can say that it is quite simply IMPOSSIBLE to conclude that one area of clubbing has all the best DJs or nights.

Every single area has its talent, whether you like what they are doing or not, they are still talented.

When you have a personal preference to one type of night/genre etc it is easy to say that its better than the rest, but thats just cause you don't appreciate the others as much.

I dislike D&B. Sometimes i say that D&B is shit. But all i mean by that is that its not to my personal tastes. I still acknowledge that the genre has amazingly talented DJ's/producers and very successful nights.

Perhaps you just feel more comfortable in the relatively insular gay clubbing scene. Otherwise you are saying that DJ's such as CarlCox, Derrick Carter, Ritchie Hawtin, James Zabiela, Steve Lawler, FelixdaHousecat, James Lavelle, Nick Warren...........etc do not have TALENT? In that tiny group of Dj's i have just named there is decades worth of world class talent, all excellent DJ's and successful producers in their own right.

I think its just too easy for people to say that THEIR scene is best. Thats where most of the segregation in clubbing lies.
 
umm ok name me some djs over here in the united states who can beat the likes of....

manny lehman,
peter rauhofer
victor calderone
chad jack
dj paulo
junior vasquez(i hate him, but most love him, u either hate him or love him)
james anderson

need i say more
 
Househead79 said:
umm ok name me some djs over here in the united states who can beat the likes of....

manny lehman,
peter rauhofer
victor calderone
chad jack
dj paulo
junior vasquez(i hate him, but most love him, u either hate him or love him)
james anderson

need i say more
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Danny Tenaglia > Victor Calderone in the tribal house genre

you failed to mention Deep Dish, how could you possibly deny their talent.
David Morales, Harry Romero, Derrick Carter.

I'm not saying you don't have SOME of the best DJ's within the gay scene, it's just that you can't simply discredit the rest of the DJ/producing world in one sweeping generalisation.
 
deep dish i never heard live, altrhough i do have some music by them in my crates...david morales has always bored me, although i know he is regarded as a genius, just 2 slow of beats for me

harry romero is more known for his production, which is usually off subliminal records..can we please remember we r taklin bout nyc night clubs and i havent heard of romero being in club..derrick carter also never hear dlive

i forgot billy carrol, he is hot 2
 
excuse me for butting in here i havent really been paying much attention to this thread but it doesnt seem to be dying anytime soon so i guess ill put my 2 cents in.


first alittle bit of info about myself. i started going to raves last october or so, and i attend nyc raves. im pretty much fresh blood. since ive started coming out ive made the odd observation here and there. as far as i can tell the most degrading thing to the scene are the old school cats that stand around nit picking at everything from the music the dj is playing to the way the new kids are dressing. theyre the ones that stand around in a circle talking about how good things were "back in the day."

one thing i have learned since i started coming out to raves is that the people and the vibe is what make the party. you can argue over different genres of music and the drug use all you want, but in the end what you put into the scene is what you get out of it, and like it or not but you DO affect the scene around you. the vibe you give off to the people you meet and talk to will eventually be the vibe you get back.


as far as music goes, whoever said that techno has no soul has no fucking clue what theyre talking about. in the past few months here in nyc ive heard frankie bones, joeybeltram, DDR, and a whole mess of local techno dj's at raves and let me tell you. it is FAAAAAAAAAAAR from soulless. it wasnt before but it is definately one of my favorite genres now. techno to me is the perfect musical counterpart to the rave scene. a good techno dj will draw you to the dancefloor, make your head swim, and will keep you in a state of bliss untill the very last track. i am always happy to hear a good techno headliner even tho it never really was my favorite genre.
 
btw, as far as clubbing vs raving goes i find raves to be much more enjoyable. i will admit that clubs tend to make better venues and that they tend to have bigger headliners. HOWEVER to me it seems that raves and ravers in general are a much more friendly bunch taht are for the most part actually interested in their music and scene. the few times i went to clubs it was full of sweaty shirtless men on so many drugs i couldnt even begin to fathom what planet they were on, snobby women, and asian gangster wannabes. club dress codes irritate me to no end and i utterly despise the crowds that go there for the most part. half of the people there dont even know who theyre listening to.

it seems like the primary purpose of a club is to do drugs and do your best to get laid. while alot of the same goes on at raves the people there are generally friendlier as a whole, much more peaceful, and just more fun as a whole. the kind of people you meet at a rave are non existant within clubs.


at any rate id rather party with drugged out candy kids over drugged out guidos and starfuckers.
 
Originally posted by Househead79
umm ok name me some djs over here in the united states who can beat the likes of...

define 'beat'. how are you measuring this?

alasdair
 
TheDEA.org said:
Raving is like masturbation: It may not be pretty, but as long as everybody is having fun, what's it to ya? :-)

I do hate party snobs. If you aren't having fun, go home. If somebody else is having fun looking stupid and listening to bad music, it's none of your concern.



That's an extraordinarily narrow definition of techno. On most planets, House is techno.

The very wise sci fi author Theodore Sturgeon once said that 90% of everything is shit. That's true for techno as well, but if you wade through enough of it you do find some real gems. The top 40 charts are no more of a reliable compass to substantive techno than they are to substantive rock or hip-hop.
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Well Said, I Totaly Agree with this........

In fact I can't really see the point of this thread, music is art, and like all art is purely subjective.

You could get a thousand people posting on here about how the music they like is the best, you could even get in to arguments with non-house fans telling you thier brand of rock or punk or reggea or whatever is the best music in the world.

At the end of the day, just because YOU like something it doesnt make it the best music in the world.

If someone enjoys something/anything let them enjoy it, and you enjoy your thing.....................it's as simple as that.

Sorry for the rant, but I also hate musical or any other kind of snobbery

Regards
Steve
 
alasdairm said:
Originally posted by Househead79
umm ok name me some djs over here in the united states who can beat the likes of...

define 'beat'. how are you measuring this?

alasdair
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exactly, thats the point i've been trying to make for the last 10 posts.

You can't refer to someone as 'better' in terms of what you prefer to hear.

There is no way to possibly even begin to define 'beat', but globally recognised DJ's that consistently play excellent sets and bring out quality music should be the top of the list.

It's one thing being a good bedroom DJ with fantastic technical ability on the decks, but being able to entertain a varied and musically educated crowd time after time is something totally different.

Look at James Zabiela, arguably one of the best breaks DJ's on the scene right now. How can i make such a statement? I can't really, but the fact that he has a residency at Space Ibiza and produced 3 very successful albums, would indicate that he has considerable talent. There is no room in genres like breakbeat for commercially manufactured DJs since people are more generally more educated in what they like to hear.

I just hate how people can disregard other people's talent simply because it's not to their tastes.

You have the opportunity in NYC to go see more or less every DJ on the circuit, use that chance to actually go! Don't just stick by your guns that the gay scene has the best DJs, because with that attitude you will never allow yourself to appreciate the talent of anyone outside your relatively small group
 
key word is you are "new 2 the scene" (rave) and late at that...for one, i know most ravers that i know from the past laugh at that same for being like that when they were younger...secondly, i do agree people who go clubbin to get fucked up and laid are as pathetic as those ravers who do that retarded scene, so i agree with u there...techno has no soul, especially if u just started listening to it and attending, u r really have no experience in this area
 
thats another thing. people that think theyre somehow better because theyve been around longer. as far as i can tell you cant even accurately describe techno or other genres. youre just a jaded elitist and youre exactly whats wrong with the scene.
 
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