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Degradation of Rave Culture?

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not everyone NEEDS drugs to party it up at a rave... personally i do drugs and i love it, but others don't need to feel pressured to get really loaded on them to have fun at a rave.
 
stoned_baby said:
Look for smaller, less commercial events.
But big commercials can be OK to, depends on the DJ:s and whether theyre taking it seriously. John Digweed and Carl Cox blew my mind on the opening of Space, Ibiza, last summer and i dont even like that place much.
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Yes smaller events are always better. Iv been to some massive parties... and while the super crazy lighting, killer sound system, and big name dj's make it worth it too go. The small ones with 300-500ppl are always mroe fun.
At small parties I always meet like 100 new ppl. That and ware Im from the scene is super tight... everyone knows everyone. Its like going out and partying with 300 friends.
 
I think once raves became more commercial you got a lot of people going because they thought it was the in thing to do or going just to do drugs and not for the music or to dance or be around friends and meet new people which is what i think the scene is really all about. Also once the rave act was passed in the US it pretty much killed the scene(at least in my area) because not very many promoter are willing to take the chance with the harsh punishments they could be given for throwing a party. There are still raves but very few, where there used to be 2 or 3 every weekend now there maybe on party in the area every couple of months. The rave act forced alot of events to move to clubs where you really don't have that rave atmousphere. You get alot of the going out crowd and the people just trying to show off or hook up with people.
 
Hip-Hop killed rave. At least in America, anyway. If you are a raver nowdays, kids will consider you "gay". It's pretty sad.
 
meh hiphop will be over soon... and by the time it dose the rave scene will be back nicely underground ware it belongs
 
At least in my area (both northern and southern cal), I feel we are just in a "slump", a low point, and that things are starting to pick up again. I agree with media attention being at least somewhat of a factor in how the scene has currenty become, but I think its more that many of the raves are attempting to appeal more to the mainstream than before. Every rave I see tons and tons of people who don't seem to like the music at all, and are just there to get fucked up or make money. There aren't nearly as many "true" undergrounds around here these days, and I miss em. I miss the adventure of the thing. I still have a lot of fun, and wouldnt consider myself jaded at all... but its definitely different from when I started a few years back.

But I really feel its on the incline again, and the scene will thrive to the real supporters once again
 
I think there's a renaissance going on......

I went to one of the first Glasto's and spent the whole w/end so stoned I couldn't get off the band bus:(

I've done lots of 'em since but won't go anymore now that they are crowded out with silly teenagers (no offence to the tuned in ones).
But the real attractions in the past few years were the dance tent and the glade stage.

Last year we did the Glade fest and it was better than any of my old hippy festivals, because the people that came made it so much fun. I think that's because they were mostly "experienced" ravers. Even if some of them were half my age or less!
 
let me chime in on this topic..for one raves r corny..i have been a dj for 12 years, a house music fanatic, and techno is horrible..the way ravers present themselves with the stupid glowsticks and shit in their mouth, is absolutely retarded...techno has no soul 2 it, it is just a bunch of bass booming bullshit that i wouldnt go near..the songs r so retarded and i dont know how anyone puts up with em...the closest thing 2 techno that is decent is chicago house...techno just has no feel to it

ravers r one of the most annoying subcultures america has ever come to see.
 
my raver days are over!

Well I know for a fact I don't attend "raves" anymore. I grew out of that. I still go out to an event at a club/bar as long as its the style(s) of d&b I am into, but nothing big, mostly 21+, and where no one dresses like ravers.
I just got tired of it. I was tired of these d&b rooms with big names spinning clown step&jump up, ect bullshit. Spinning the same set or at least it sounds that way. Each DJ Spinning the same tracks over and over and over again, and the funny thing is these tracks where already played out years before! Paying all this cash for something I am not into.
Currently I am more into creative, beautiful dnb, like liquid. Its so much easier to dance to than all that rubbish they spin at "raves". All you can do with that clown/jump up is jump around. You cant get artistic and creative and come up with stylish beautiful moves. I used to be into all that clown/jump up rubbish, then I grew up and realized it all sounds the same, sounds flat and noisy.

One day your day will come when you grow out of it. Its a fact of life. You can still go out and have a great time but it wouldn't be like those kiddy raves. Just have fun while it last!:D
 
Re: my raver days are over!

Originally posted by drumnbass420
Currently I am more into creative, beautiful dnb, like liquid. Its so much easier to dance to than all that rubbish they spin at "raves". All you can do with that clown/jump up is jump around. You cant get artistic and creative and come up with stylish beautiful moves. I used to be into all that clown/jump up rubbish, then I grew up and realized it all sounds the same, sounds flat and noisy.

that's a load of generalisations which are, as ever, next to useless.

every single movement throughout history has had those who cry "it was so much better back in the day..."

if there truly is some kind of measurable decline (and i'm intrigued to learn ho one measures something so subjective) what are you doing to make your scene better? be the change and all that

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I have been partying since 94 which is 11 years now. I have watched the scene come and go. Reach great heights and fall to almost non existence in the underground.

I don't believe the rave movement will ever die. I do think it has a grim future though if all the old schoolers don't pull their head out of their arse and stop being so freaking jaded.

The scene got fucked up yeah partly from media attention but it was all those old schoolers who didn't share in their knowledge of what the scene is about. There were people who came before you and they welcomed you with open minds, and they taught you the way, but too many jaded their views and when new people came in we just stopped taking the time to pass the knowledge on.

We are the ones to blame for the ignorance that has been left behind.
 
Househead79 said:
let me chime in on this topic..for one raves r corny..i have been a dj for 12 years, a house music fanatic, and techno is horrible..the way ravers present themselves with the stupid glowsticks and shit in their mouth, is absolutely retarded...techno has no soul 2 it, it is just a bunch of bass booming bullshit that i wouldnt go near..the songs r so retarded and i dont know how anyone puts up with em...the closest thing 2 techno that is decent is chicago house...techno just has no feel to it

ravers r one of the most annoying subcultures america has ever come to see.
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Could you give me an idea of what you class as techno, like a few DJ's, labels or producers. Its just that you make a distinction between house and techno, then say that its kinda close to Chicago house.:\ I'm totally lost, i think in the UK we probably use techno to describe a different type of music.

Here, the rave culture (as i think you guys are describing) is confined mostly to trance and hard-house, with the occasional D&B night.

Whereas Tech, house and breaks tend to attract a more discerning clubber. In the tech and breaks genres in particular there is a massive following of music geeks (myself included) that really know the music as opposed to turning up for a club night just to get fucked (as is generally more associated with the trance/hardhouse nights.)

As for the distinction that you made between techno and house, it just doesnt seem to be the case in the scene here. Yeah sure, they are two different genres, but both draw from each other. Some of the house nights i go to have a very techy edge and vice versa.

For me, Chicago house and it's king Mr Carter, represent the purest form of house i can think of, and is actually the area of house i would have put furthest away from techno. I can see where you are coming from though, in that they are both very bass orientated and monotonous at times (but in a good way ;) ). But Chicago house is one of those genres which is like an island and doesnt seem to fuse with other genres too much.

The club scene here is making a definte gradual move towards genre amalgamation. All the DJ's i hear seem to move outwith that concentric bubble and draw from the extremities of their own genre. The result is an amazing evening of musical masturbation :)

Oh god i can't wait for the weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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