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Kabbalist, and not in the hollywood, trendy let's-wear-red-bracelets way, as the "evil-eye" really has nothing to do with you reaching the goal of kabbalah. If anyone is interested www.arionline.info that's where I take my free online classes
 
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I am a Jew and I follow the school I was born into via my mum, Bratslaver, or as it is known to many English speakers, "Breslov."

Juadaism can not be defined in one sentence despite the people who try to say it is "Extreme Monothesim" or "Ethical Monothesim" etc. We certainly believe only in 1 all powerful, omnipotent G-D but the Spark of G-D is in ALL creation. We believe in reincarnation, which is soemthing most do not know about Jews simply because we do not centralise it as a key component of our faith. We even believe in being reincarnated as plants or animals. We believe that ALL people can come to G-D their own way, and that only Jews need to follow Jewish ways, yet all can share in Glory.

We are unique amongst monothesitic religions in that regard. Chrstians and Muslims both believe that you need to believe THEIR way to achieve salvation, not so with us. All can have it. We do not believe in any heaven or hell either, but we do believe in Resurrection when the Messiah comes. The Messiah will simply be a human blessed by G-D.

Breslov though, is the belief that no man can be an intermediary for any other, all must follow their own path. One should not place such high value on scholarship and instead love G-D through one's own heart and some of the traditional Breslov ways of doing this are meditation, communing with nature and of course the use of psychoactives.
 
stuff to do with the strong, weak, electromagnetic and gravitational forces.

i.e. reality, as it presents it self, with making up anything that cant be detected or inferred from observation or expirimentation.
 
Resin: Kabballah can only be studied by men over the age of 40, with at least one son over the age of 12, and the man must first memourise the entire Jewish Canon (27 volumes) by heart before gaining entry to the first step.

The "Rabbi" ou are taking lessons from is a fraud (no offence to you). He purports, on his site to quote "Rabbi Kook the Elder," at whose school I spent years (age 11 to 16). Rav Kook NEVEr said "anyone" could study Kaballah. It is not because of some kind of monopolisation of power/wisdom but because like ANY academic course of study you need to begin with the basics first.

In university a person takes a 101 before taking Graduate Courses, yes? Kaballah is an ancient science, dating at the very least from the Jewish Exile in Babylon. Men who studied it from the best teachers in the world, who have all the basic education needed still have trouble with it. To suggest that anyone could begin studying it without years of perperation is ridiculous.

If I might ask you, do you read Hebrew or Aramiac? How long have you studied Mishnah and G'murah? Assuming one wanted to bend academic rules, and not "memourise" the 27 books , one would still need a full grounding in Talmud before they could even begin to understand what is being said.

What people like this man (not a Rabbi mind you, although he claims he was "ordained" by a Rabbi) do is try to water down the truth into platable and digestable snippets of information. they play on humankind's natural desire to access the mystical and spiritual realm. You correctly disparaged the celebrity Kabbalists but this man is no different than those other con-artists.

If you hunger, I commend you for taking steps in the right direction but you need to begin at the beginning, not the end. One of the Jewish Peoples' teachers was Rav Akiba (Rabbi Akiva). He did not even begin studying how to read until age 40 and yet in what remained ofhis life he became one of the greatest Jewish teachers of all time. The point is, do not be discouraged IF you consider going about this in the CORRECT way, in that it seems like such a long road before you would get to the part you desire. If it is meant to be, you can be like Rav Akiba and blossom later. First you must plant the seeds.
 
Rach, thx 4 joining this Thread.

Do U call Kaballah an "ancient science" as if "ancient science" isn't really science, like astrology?

Was Ur mom into psychdelics?!

Do U believe the God of the Jews, Christians & Muslims is the same God? (I don't . . . God of Christians is Logos = Logic but "Saint" Paul corrupted Christ's Logos . . . if Christ existed.)

Can U provide a good link about Breslov?

EDIT: BTW, a friend who speaks Hebrew and lived in Israel told me the other day that Mamon is a Hebrew word for money. Did U know that Jesus said, "U can't serve God and Money (Mammon)"?
 
G-Dess: "Ancient science.": Science is word strongly rooted in Latin and simply means "Knowledge." A more accurate usage might be "Knowledge which employs a structured and analytical approach to studying it." On that basis Kabbalah is entirely a science.

"Mom on psychadelics.": Not all Bratslaver/Breslov use psychoactives. ALL Jews are supposed to use mind altering substances but most limit it to alcohol out of concern for societal mores. those of us with roots in eastern lands, tend to use that which was used by the society at large.

Psychadelics are popular amongst a certain subset of Breslov, and most have at least tried it, but females have different spiritual responsbilities than males. They are not prohibited from using anything a male does,but custom often looms large.


My own mum never used it to my knowledge. My dad never adopted Breslov ways and in fact never even drank so he did not fufill very basic parts of our faith by that omission.

We have 4 days on which we are supposed to get plastered (all Jews) I) Purim (Feast of Esther), II) Simchat Torah (Joy of the Torah), III) 1st day of Pesach (Passover) and IV) Rosh HaShanah although not all observe the 4th that way.

Most also get that way every week on Shabbat (Sabbath) and also on occasion of Marriages, Brit (circumcision) and Bar Mitzvah (Coming of Age ceramony for males).

"Is the G-D of the Jews the same G-D as the Muslims and Christians?": There is only one G-D so of course, the same for all.

"Logos" is simply Greek for "Word." Early Christians used the word to describe their faith as in "Good Word," or "Have you heard the Word?"

"Mammon" is rooted in Latin by way of Greek by way of Syriac and Aramaic by way of the original, Hebrew. It is pronounced lik this: "Mah' mon" with the "o" in the second syllable pronounced long a in "lone". It does not mean money, it means "riches:" and while money can be riches, riches are not neccessarily money, yes? Seems like splitting hairs but one needs ot be careful with translations from one language to another. Imagine then, translating it over 5 languages like this word? At least it has retained its original sound which is rare.

What Jesus was talking about in the snippet you quote is the corruption that is naturally part of an entrenched hierarchal religious structure, like the Jewish Temple of his time, which is what he was actually discussing.

Breslov link...

www.breslov.com

and

www.breslov.org

Both are fair introductory level porrtals into the Breslov outlook.

for others...

Breslov is a group founded in what is now the Ukraine in the early 19th Century CE/AD. It is named after the ukrainian town where the founding Rabbi lived for many years, "breslov." in yiddish it is named "Bratzlav" henace the different names.

The founding Rabbi is Rebbe Nachman of Breslov, a great-grandson of the "B'ESHT." "B'ESHT" is an acronym in Hebrew for the founder of the Chassdici (Hassidic) Movement, Yisroel Ben Eliezer (Israel Son of Eliezer).

B'ESHT was from a mountain village in Poland and worked with the youngest students in a Cheder, a Jewish school so that he was like a Kindergarten Teacher's Aide in modern Western terms.

The Jewish faith at this time was, in europe, populated by very dour men who believed the only way to Salvation was through serious study, night and day. B'ESHT on the other hand believed anyone could cme close to G-D by simply being joyous in life. Dancing, singing, using intoxicants, all things that caused the Establishment to denounce him and even ex-communicate him.

His movement caught on amongst the poorest Jews who found his message to be liberating. After he died his best students attracted heir own followers and these became the first Dynastic Rabbis. however, they also began perverting the original message, rotating back to serious study and less joyous worship, etc.

Then came Rebbe Nachman. Nachman was tubercular (had TB) but also loved his faith and sought to reintroduce his great-grandfather's original ideas. He was involved with alot of progressives and even thoroughly secular Jews, and it was at their urging that he ended up moving to Uman, in the present day Ukraine, and he died there at age of 38.

Instead of naming a successor, as other Rabbis did, he rejected the practice as a perversion to his great grand-dad's teachings. His students honoured his desires and so today many Breslov Jews are known as the "Dead Rebbe Chassidim."

Breslov wear a distinctive skull cap, almost always snow swhite but peaked and with a pompom on the top, like some winter hats have. yhey are also known for stopping traffic both in Israel and in Brooklyn in NY by blaring Trance from loudspeakers and getting into meditative trances while dancing in traffic jams.there is a video, I will link to, on Youtube but it is in Hebrew.

They are poking fun at Breslov for their outlandish practices and I believe with that explanation, most can get the jist even though it is in a different language:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuMiYzedrus

It starts with a traffic jam, people hot and aggravated and a famous TV reporter in Israel is playing the journalist, who is talking about a mysterious traffic jam when he comes upon a group of Breslov dancing to Tranceand VERY happy (wink wink). He asks, "What is the happy ocaison?" The answer is a blrb about "Happiness with G-D" and then the reporter asks the man his name, and the man is like "My name? what does my name have to do with love? My name is this, that and the other thing" but he is saying it all high, etc. If you watch you might get a kick out of it. then they start dancing around this pissed off woman who is like "Leave me the fuc& alone!!!" and they just laugh all high. then they start plastering bumper stickers with religious mantras all over the jammed vehichles, winging one at a motorcyclist as he is driving through the traffic. The reporter joins these men fora ride and they are so high that they run over some elderly lady. Looks funnier than it sounds.

I explained alot of other things in an earlier post. the main Pilgramage we have, is spending our New Year, "Rosh HaShanah" in Uman at his grave. Soemtimes as much as 60,000 Jews from all over the world mob that small town and spend days dancing in the streets. one of the best parties in the world.
 
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Rach: Maybe U missed this pic I posted earlier in this Thread. Note that "Logos rarely means Word." If U click on the url under the pic U can read an essay I wrote on Christ-mass morning about the differences between the God of the Jews and God of Christ (if he existed):

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/666_is_money/3135898114/

Here's a pic showing the etymology of the word "Mammon" = Money in Aramaic:

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Source: Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics. Hastings, James, ed.: New York, Scribners, 1908-1921. 12 vols.
 
MyDoors: I take it your wife has no grounding in the Jewish Religion, whether or not she is Jewish. It is a very basic principle. Ask her about Reincarnation and see what she says.

Our women do not study faith. We are equal before G-D but have totally different roles and responsibilities. Women worship in the most important way, by being the foundation of the Jewish Family. We honour our women but theirs is a far simpler existence.

As for "mind altering substances," I was more than explicit in my post. Whether it is simply wine, or opium it is one and the same in our religion.

G-Dess: I was coming from the Christian perspective which relies on Middle Greek, the Greek vernacular spoken in the early Christian Era. "Logos" is simply, "Word." The more esoteric definitions have been built upon the word by Christians with no grounding in the language, or Semitic languages which are more important in this issue because although msot early Christians DID speak Middle Greek, their cultural tongue was Aramaic and/or Hebrew. So, when using words in Middle Greek they did so with a Semtici worldview, etc, etc.

No offence to James Hastings, whoever he is/was, but I speak Aramaic, as do most traditional Jews. You must if you have a religious education. Anyway, it means "riches." Now, when you translate from one language into another, using any languages mind you, you have to account for idiomatic differences. For example, If I was to use the common Spanish proverb about Jews, "Los Judiso son duro!" (The Jews are strong) it makes little sense in english, per its intended meaning. it is meant to convey that Jews are cheap. Follow me? So, if i were doing a verbatim translation of the proverb i would say , "Jews are strong." While, if doing an idiomatic translation, I would say, "The Jews are cheap." If I were trying to make it more socially paltable i might instead offer, "The Jews are very good businessmen." Follow me?

So, taking the Aramaic word "Mammon" (Mah-mone) the verbatim definition is indeed "riches." "Riches" to you might mean money but to ancient people whos poek Aramaic it certainly did not. To us it meant a hugely different thing. To us, the greatest "riches" were a respect ful son and many of them, a quiet life of study and contemplation. this is the sense in whicht the word is used in Aramaic Scriptures.

See, the problem with Scripture is unless you speak the actual languages you will have only a scntunderstanding. It is bound to happen with any non-native translation taking place.
 
I don't believe in God, heaven or hell. Maybe something that created the universe and that we came about through evolution. I believe that whatever spiritual learning we need we already have within us. If some prophet states that he heard the words of God then IMO people should have those words inside of them also. I don't think anyone on this planet, no priest, no pope is on a higher spiritual level than me. Just cause people made him to be doesn't mean he is better spiritually than me. Maybe for the exception of the Dalai Lama. The closes religion(/way of life) to what makes sense to me is Buddhism.
 
Rachamim, would Judaism forgive you for moving to the phillipines in your 30's to date a 15 year old native girl and marry her when she was 16...while you were the age of 32. If not, stop acting so superior.

I posted information on how this man is in no place to pretend to be a man of character and to take his words with a big ass grain of salt, as you would any pedophile.

Don't believe me? Check out this post were I got mad at him for saying Islam is a religion of pedophiles, that damn hypocrite. I showed his confession of pedophilia:
http://bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?p=6853159#post6853159
 
My theology dictates that it is a mortal sin to defile the English language by using such childish and annoying shorthand as "u" or "ur" when typing out the proper word would cost u approximately 0.001 more seconds of ur time.
 
I personally believe that heaven is merely a state of being. That God is immanent in all existence and we need simply to realize this in our hearts. This realization is heaven on earth, the impregnable oneness with the eternal living spirit which unites us all in love.

The key to heaven on earth is simply love. love is god, god is love. Unconditional, and all inclusive.
 
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My theology dictates that it is a mortal sin to defile the English language by using such childish and annoying shorthand as "u" or "ur" when typing out the proper word would cost u approximately 0.001 more seconds of ur time.
Does your theology assume that all humans have the same physical abilities and typing skills? Is peoples individual modes of expression a theological matter only in regards to typing or is there more?
 
Intherapy: Well, G-D has nothing to do with "Hevean" OR "Hell," those are themes copped from greco-Roman Mythology and absorbed into early Christianity in a synergistic move to attract many more pagans who would have otherwise been unattracted by the Judeo conept of the here and now.

Judaisim believes that when you die you simply lie in your grave, with yuor soul in the general environ (the most common thought is that it stays within a meter of your corpse. eventually, in the Messianic Age there will come a Judgement Daty, at which time those deemed Righteous will be physically FResurrected, while those not deemed so will simply lie as they have, in their graves.

The word "Hell" is an English corruption of the Hebrew "She'ol" which simply means "grave." "Hades" from the Greco-roman pantheon was incorporated into the idea and voila, a lifetime (and many more) of guilt over mundane actions.

Our punishment is life itself, and our reward is also life, it is up to us to make of it what we will.


I have to say that I get a great kick out of Westener's fascination with Buddhisim. You know, if you think it so attractive, you might try actually delving physically intot heri world and see if it still holds that appeal. In Cambodia i would see women putting their newborn daughters on the sides of swamps in the hopes of crocs eating them, or at least dying of exposure. I never try to school people in life so to speak, but am curious and so brought it up through a translator. I am told it is common. Why? Because as infants their karma is way ahead and as such they will be reborn into better incarnations and therefore killing them is an act of compassion.

You see Buddhism throough an exotic prisom perhaps but there is agood reason why in anyplace it has come up against other faiths it has failed. Afghanistan was a Buddhist cetre once upon a time. People trkked from all over the buddhist world to see the Buddhas at Bamiyan...When Judaism and Christianity made inroads they converted like droves, and then came Islam at the point of a sword but even then when people are converted against their will they tend to retain former beliefs and practices. None were retained there.

Cambodia? Talk to any cham, there or in Nam. Champa was a Hindu and Buddhist centre of reknown, until Islam came with Javanese immigrants a few hundred years ago.

Today in most Buddhist places people are converting quickly to other faiths. South Korea is a great example. That place creeps me out in its adherence to puritanical strains of Protestantism. Anyway, I do not know you and perhaps you have loked at it long and hard and still find it attractive. To each their own.
 
Resin: Kabballah can only be studied by men over the age of 40, with at least one son over the age of 12, and the man must first memourise the entire Jewish Canon (27 volumes) by heart before gaining entry to the first step.

I know and understand the part about the men age 40 part and I do understand what you are saying about learning the basics first. I thirst for the wisdom and I understand that I will certainly not reach beyond Malchut in this lifetime. Still I enjoy studying what I can though I certainly do not understand it all as the Zohar and other Kabbalistic texts are written in a very complex and cryptic language. I also realize I do not have the time to devote to really begin the process one must undertake to study Kabbalah. Know this though: I enjoy what I have gained from it and I appreciate and respect it. I have also gained a much greater respect for the Jewish faith because of it (and you have piqued my interest in this "Breslov")

As far as my teacher being a fraud I have a hard time seeing eye-to-eye with that. Yes, he is breaking the custom but on the same note he has little to gain from it, it's purely for educational purposes.

I have to say that I get a great kick out of Westener's fascination with Buddhisim. You know, if you think it so attractive, you might try actually delving physically intot heri world and see if it still holds that appeal. In Cambodia i would see women putting their newborn daughters on the sides of swamps in the hopes of crocs eating them, or at least dying of exposure. I never try to school people in life so to speak, but am curious and so brought it up through a translator. I am told it is common. Why? Because as infants their karma is way ahead and as such they will be reborn into better incarnations and therefore killing them is an act of compassion.

You see Buddhism throough an exotic prisom perhaps but there is agood reason why in anyplace it has come up against other faiths it has failed. Afghanistan was a Buddhist cetre once upon a time. People trkked from all over the buddhist world to see the Buddhas at Bamiyan...When Judaism and Christianity made inroads they converted like droves, and then came Islam at the point of a sword but even then when people are converted against their will they tend to retain former beliefs and practices. None were retained there.

Cambodia? Talk to any cham, there or in Nam. Champa was a Hindu and Buddhist centre of reknown, until Islam came with Javanese immigrants a few hundred years ago.

Today in most Buddhist places people are converting quickly to other faiths. South Korea is a great example. That place creeps me out in its adherence to puritanical strains of Protestantism. Anyway, I do not know you and perhaps you have loked at it long and hard and still find it attractive. To each their own.

hahah I agree, I don't get what western people find so attractive about Buddhism. I think it has largely to do with the aesthetic and the fact that most people here are what you would call "weekend practitioners" of such a faith. I also believe people here (especially those interested in psychedelics) are kind of mesmerized by the whole meditation thing.
 
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I agree rachamim, people are kind of lame with their buddhism and gasoline milkshakes, and that Judaism is a lot more rational than christianity or islam. and im not saying this because im jewish, honestly, though it sounds funny that way - i really see it that way even though to me judhaism is also irrational because there's no need for an ancient structure if you're living in the here and now, as i see it.

but, for example in the lack of a weird obsession with hell, sin, perversion and the devil, quiet insularity, the approach to religious ecstasy and mystery etc., to me make judaism clearly closer to the (original?) truths of spirituality, though still to me irrational, but this might also be because i know it better. but, then again, judaism also deosn't directly preach racism (at least to my knowledge).
 
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