Opioids Defeating the new OC time release

[syndeusys]

Boy are you in for a rude awakeining!!

Oxycontins are OVER!!!

Purdue horse fucked us all there mr. newbie.
The generics have been discontinued and soon will not be in stock as they are being phased out to make room for the new, abuse proof OP's.
And this really sucks.

This is not true. Generics are available just not for every strength since Purdue still holds the patents (for the old formulation) on some of them. It seems highly unlikely that the generic companies (Mallinkrodt, Teva, Ethex, etc.) will spend money on R&D to make an abuse proof pill and submit an NDA. Generics are readily available for 80s through Ethex; i'll check on the other strengths tomorrow. Even if generics turn out to be scarce for the other strengths they'll have a new DEA production quota soon anyway so as it seems with everything surrounding this drug it's a matter of patience.

On a side note I tried to grab an ingredients list off the bottle when we got our first shipment in a few weeks ago but unfortunately they don't include one. I think it might be worth while calling Purdue and asking for the ingredients due to allergy condition/hyper sensitivity to a wide range of compounds. I believe they'd be obligated to at least divulge some information lest be held liable due to complications from one of the inactives. Worth a shot. =P

 

[intheb0x]

I wouldn't trust drug-store acetone to be pure. I don't reccomend using it at all, but if I had to I would test it's purity by pouring a good amount into a glass (a glass glass, not plastic) and allowing it to evaporate (outside.) ANY remaining residue indicates potentially toxic (and now concentrated) contaminants.

well i dont know what else to do, where should i go??
its a "professional salon formula"

only has 2 things listed as ingredients, acetone, denatonium benzoate,...

whats your insight on what to do?

 

[intheb0x]

This is not true. Generics are available just not for every strength since Purdue still holds the patents (for the old formulation) on some of them. It seems highly unlikely that the generic companies (Mallinkrodt, Teva, Ethex, etc.) will spend money on R&D to make an abuse proof pill and submit an NDA. Generics are readily available for 80s through Ethex; i'll check on the other strengths tomorrow. Even if generics turn out to be scarce for the other strengths they'll have a new DEA production quota soon anyway so as it seems with everything surrounding this drug it's a matter of patience.

On a side note I tried to grab an ingredients list off the bottle when we got our first shipment in a few weeks ago but unfortunately they don't include one. I think it might be worth while calling Purdue and asking for the ingredients due to allergy condition/hyper sensitivity to a wide range of compounds. I believe they'd be obligated to at least divulge some information lest be held liable due to complications from one of the inactives. Worth a shot. =P

im more curious on how the shipments come in and how the whole thing is handled, its not really common knowledge and seems secretive, i know for cigs they video tape the packaging and loading of the trucks to confirm everything.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

You can't link to that. Yeah, it may be legal, but the only sources we allow is to hr equipment -micron filters, syringes, sterile water, etc. -phrozen

 

[syndeusys]

im more curious on how the shipments come in and how the whole thing is handled, its not really common knowledge and seems secretive, i know for cigs they video tape the packaging and loading of the trucks to confirm everything.

I don't know how it's handled before being shipped to the pharmacy but once it arrives there it's in a tamper-proof bag along with a whole bunch of other schedule II meds and from there we do an inventory check to make sure everything has arrived and in the correct quantities sign it and keep it with the pharmacy records for either 5 or 7 years in case of a DEA audit. Then we put the medications in a safe where they are kept until we dispense the prescription to the patient. I don't really think that's the info you were looking for I just know we have hundreds of the Ethex brand of the oc80s. Still a few of the good old ones left as well but we're running out quickly. If you get your MD to write you a script for the 15, 30, 60mg they are all less common strengths that Purdue still holds the patents for so they're going to be around longer than the other ones I'd imagine. In the end you're just putting off the inevitable.

 

[adder]

same way as always. try different experiments and see what works. besides, the ingredients are public knowledge.

You mean http://www.purduepharma.com/pressroom/news/OxycontinPI.pdf, right? So to cut the long story short, every tablet has those inactive ingredients: butylated hydroxytoluene, hypromellose, polyethylene glycol 400, polyethylene oxide, magnesium stearate, and titanium dioxide.

(+ for 80mg tabs: hydroxypropyl cellulose, yellow iron oxide and FD&C Blue 2/Indigo Carmine Aluminum Lak)

[PRE-EDIT: add <hash> where needed, I can't get it to work otherwise]

I guess "Revised: 08/2010" is enough. Now I know it's not me who might be pissed off because I can't shoot oxycodone from OC (and I don't like oxycodone btw no matter ROA).

Now I wonder how chemical discussion is allowed on this if it's forbidden to talk about a few steps in synthesis from codeine to oxycodone? Not that I'm here to teach someone something that is seen illegal in certain circumstances. Like some guys at some big pharma can get their hands on many compounds desired by addicts but that's their job and most can't. But there seems to be always an excuse for harm-reduction. I mean, a junkie can get a needle even from a cop if he gives something in exchange. Borders are blurred totally.

Alright, whatever, maybe my 'done hasn't kicked in and I'm being a bit too mean telling the truth. But yeah, I hear you. I can't do my duties without proper maintenance and a feeling my life leads to something. Maybe that's why I don't want to look at the formula right now after a crappy night. Anyway, it won’t be that easy this time, add water and score! Those inactive cause a pill to turn into a gelatinous pap because they absorb water greatly.

[AFTER-EDIT: finally...]

 

[intheb0x]

I don't know how it's handled before being shipped to the pharmacy but once it arrives there it's in a tamper-proof bag along with a whole bunch of other schedule II meds and from there we do an inventory check to make sure everything has arrived and in the correct quantities sign it and keep it with the pharmacy records for either 5 or 7 years in case of a DEA audit. Then we put the medications in a safe where they are kept until we dispense the prescription to the patient. I don't really think that's the info you were looking for I just know we have hundreds of the Ethex brand of the oc80s. Still a few of the good old ones left as well but we're running out quickly. If you get your MD to write you a script for the 15, 30, 60mg they are all less common strengths that Purdue still holds the patents for so they're going to be around longer than the other ones I'd imagine. In the end you're just putting off the inevitable.

Ya that helped paint a picture, so i take it they come regular courier like fed ex or ups? i thought it would be more secure then that.

As for Ethex, i heard they will be continued to be made under that brand but as the old formula OC80 by purdue, any insight to this? or is it once they are gone, they are gone?

 

[adder]

BTW, someone mentioned here MS-Contin tablets. I guess there's no comparison between those two as MS-Contin actually contains only an analog of hypromellose (also present in 80mg OxyContin) and that actually isn't the biggest problem (especially "alone").

 

[syndeusys]

Ya that helped paint a picture, so i take it they come regular courier like fed ex or ups? i thought it would be more secure then that.

As for Ethex, i heard they will be continued to be made under that brand but as the old formula OC80 by purdue, any insight to this? or is it once they are gone, they are gone?

If it's special ordered for a patient it comes via a courier who works for a wholesaler so it's not just some random guy but the same person every time. Our normal deliveries come from some central warehouse. I'm sure there are check and balances and the like before it actually reaches us if a part of a shipment disappears or never arrives paperwork has to be filled out and filed with the DEA and then I assume they follow up on it and someone gets in trouble.

Without getting into too much history from what I understand about Ethex is they voluntarily pulled all their products off the market a little over a year ago due to trouble with the FDA and their manufacturing practices or something. I'm not sure if they were bought out by Purdue or not but it would make sense as the markings/coloring for the Ethex tablets are identical to the old version of the brand name ones. I remember the first time I saw them thinking how strange it was and that it had to be some sort of a patent violation but if Purdue is now the parent company it would make complete sense. It's not uncommon for the brand name manufacturer to also be making a generic for their product as well. I would love it if things ended up being just that easy. I'll try and follow up after the weekend since Purdue will be closed for the next few days. At any rate it's time to grab some much needed sleep see you tomorrow BL.

 

[Dinkus123]

Boy are you in for a rude awakeining!!

Oxycontins are OVER!!!

Purdue horse fucked us all there mr. newbie.
The generics have been discontinued and soon will not be in stock as they are being phased out to make room for the new, abuse proof OP's.
And this really sucks.

Thats where you wrong i8hooked. Oxycontins are NOT over....... in CANADA anyways

Just one more reason why canada > usa, also my prescription of 120 20's cost me a whopping 5 bucks. And our street prices are MAX .50 cents a milligram. I really do feel for you guys living in the states though, when I heard of this my heart dropped too. But please dont ruin it for the rest of us and start crossing the border to get your oxy. lol IM PROUD TO BE CANADIANNNN

 

[Dinkus123]

I honestly don think any of us is going too beat it. Just close this thread. Everyone go on too roxys or dope. Im down. Well actually I been doing subs recently...love those orange things.

Or maybe you should just get out of the thread, im sure people dont need to read your debby downer comments? Its not like drug users are just going to accept that these things cant be abused, gotta give a 110% effort at least before you give up, IMO.

 

[intheb0x]

If it's special ordered for a patient it comes via a courier who works for a wholesaler so it's not just some random guy but the same person every time. Our normal deliveries come from some central warehouse. I'm sure there are check and balances and the like before it actually reaches us if a part of a shipment disappears or never arrives paperwork has to be filled out and filed with the DEA and then I assume they follow up on it and someone gets in trouble.

Without getting into too much history from what I understand about Ethex is they voluntarily pulled all their products off the market a little over a year ago due to trouble with the FDA and their manufacturing practices or something. I'm not sure if they were bought out by Purdue or not but it would make sense as the markings/coloring for the Ethex tablets are identical to the old version of the brand name ones. I remember the first time I saw them thinking how strange it was and that it had to be some sort of a patent violation but if Purdue is now the parent company it would make complete sense. It's not uncommon for the brand name manufacturer to also be making a generic for their product as well. I would love it if things ended up being just that easy. I'll try and follow up after the weekend since Purdue will be closed for the next few days. At any rate it's time to grab some much needed sleep see you tomorrow BL.

Your insight has been more then helpful, please let us all know what you find out from Purdue in terms of if they are using Ethex as a parent company to produce/sell the old formula aka "generic" and what they say about a ingredient list for allergy reasons.


thanks again.

 

[puffj]

It seems walgreens carries the Ethex generics. The Ethex generics are made by Purdue for Ethex, and are the exact same formulation as the old OC's were since they are made by purdue. Purdue gets royalties from Ethex so they have a vested interest in this. I've also called several walgreens and they all had the Ethex generics in stock. The ethex generics say "OC" "80" on them, and are made by purdue. The Ethex generics are 100% identical to the old OC formulation. They are even made at the same plant purdue made their old OC formulation at. Even though they are distributed by Ethex, they are manufactured by Purdue, and they are the old formula for OC.

Anyone who has a RX for oc, fill it at walgreens and ask for the ethex generics. You will get the old OC 80's (made by purdue for ethex) and these are not going to be reformulated. They are actually cheaper than brand OC's were through purdue.

Looks like things are going to be back to normal.

Here are some accounts verifying that they got the ethex generics from walgreens and that they are the exact same pills.

http://www.topix.com/forum/drug/oxycontin/TBQE38RVCQ8ROAK6E

 

[Tommyboy]

I haven't read through the entire thread to see if anyone else has responded to this yet but for the sake of harm reduction DO NOT DO THIS! Yes sometimes these warnings are because it'll get you more fucked up. Sometimes it's because mixing the two prevents the drug from being metabolized and some drugs are only have active metabolites and the parent compound is inert. Worst case scenario is it will make you very sick or kill you. If you get a prescription for Xyrem(sodium oxybate, or GHB) it will say do not combine with alcohol the reason being is it leads to a severe non-linear amount of respiratory depression it most certainly can kill you even with one drink being very careful. Always look up the particular interaction before just assuming hey this will fuck me up more. It drives me crazy when I'm consulting patients and I say be careful combining or do not combine drugs x and y and then they wink at me or something and say, "Oh yeah, I gotcha". One of my patients recently died from combining Xanax and methadone. I know people do this all the time and he had been as well for years. Apparently it didn't work so well for him that last time. Sorry if that's a bit hard to follow I just had to vent because it drives me crazy when people give this as advice.

I appretiate you concern, but I think that it was clear that I was just asking if any OXY scripts had any warnings that we could look into as ways to defeat the time release.

It wasnt a "do the opposite of whatever your scripts warns against" post. I'm not saying to drink booze on komadine

 

[HeaveHo94]

It seems walgreens carries the Ethex generics. The Ethex generics are made by Purdue for Ethex, and are the exact same formulation as the old OC's were since they are made by purdue. Purdue gets royalties from Ethex so they have a vested interest in this. I've also called several walgreens and they all had the Ethex generics in stock. The ethex generics say "OC" "80" on them, and are made by purdue. The Ethex generics are 100% identical to the old OC formulation. They are even made at the same plant purdue made their old OC formulation at. Even though they are distributed by Ethex, they are manufactured by Purdue, and they are the old formula for OC.

Anyone who has a RX for oc, fill it at walgreens and ask for the ethex generics. You will get the old OC 80's (made by purdue for ethex) and these are not going to be reformulated. They are actually cheaper than brand OC's were through purdue.

Looks like things are going to be back to normal.

Here are some accounts verifying that they got the ethex generics from walgreens and that they are the exact same pills.

http://www.topix.com/forum/drug/oxycontin/TBQE38RVCQ8ROAK6E

Its what was just left.http://www.pharmer.org/forum/discus...c-meds/generic-oxycodone-labelled-oc80?page=1

 

[Pegasus]

^Yeah, that sounds about right...

 

[phr]

Man I wish Purdue was publicly traded... They got shit locked down. If I was into the conspiracy theory stuff, I'd swear they had this planned out in the 90's before OC's first came on the market.


Oh, and don't forget about them coming out with bupe to treat opiate addiction.

 

[intheb0x]

It seems walgreens carries the Ethex generics. The Ethex generics are made by Purdue for Ethex, and are the exact same formulation as the old OC's were since they are made by purdue. Purdue gets royalties from Ethex so they have a vested interest in this. I've also called several walgreens and they all had the Ethex generics in stock. The ethex generics say "OC" "80" on them, and are made by purdue. The Ethex generics are 100% identical to the old OC formulation. They are even made at the same plant purdue made their old OC formulation at. Even though they are distributed by Ethex, they are manufactured by Purdue, and they are the old formula for OC.

Anyone who has a RX for oc, fill it at walgreens and ask for the ethex generics. You will get the old OC 80's (made by purdue for ethex) and these are not going to be reformulated. They are actually cheaper than brand OC's were through purdue.

Looks like things are going to be back to normal.

Here are some accounts verifying that they got the ethex generics from walgreens and that they are the exact same pills.

http://www.topix.com/forum/drug/oxycontin/TBQE38RVCQ8ROAK6E

well im going to do some investigating myself and give a few places a call to see if they have ethex available for a refill... hope i strike gold lol, im not believing anything about ethex NOT having stock in pharms until i see a press release of some sort.

 

[InFaDeLiTy]

I tried microwaving it hoping it didnt leave a smell or catch on fire which for me it did not but it also didnt do anything really maybe I have a weak microwave which is possible I believe it to be 800w but regardless these fucking blow.
There half the cost but twice the work for half the effect so in the end... Dont bother if its what you can get... =/

 

[syndeusys]

So I checked the ingredient list for ethex compared to purdue and like puffj said they are identical here are the ingredients in case anyone is curious.

Acrylates/Methacrylic Acid Copolymer/Polymethacrylates
Ferric Oxide
Hypromellose
Lactose
Magnesium Stearate
Polyethylene Glycol
Povidone
Sodium Hydroxide
Sorbic Acid
Stearyl Alcohol
Talc
Titanium Dioxide
Triacetin

So my guess is that the major problem here is the Butylated Hydroxytoluene or the Polyethylene Oxide since those are the two major differences in ingredients between the new and old versions.