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December 2012

I never said one word about the "end" so you're addressing a straw man argument. I asked you to explain how any of this has anything to do with that date.

Oh, and this:

so many logical "fallacies" are pretty irrelevant from the approach I am taking.
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...is an admission that your case does not adhere to logic. Your approach, as you say, is not logical and logic is irrelevant to it.

--- G.
 
Morrison's Lament said:
I never said one word about the "end" so you're addressing a straw man argument. I asked you to explain how any of this has anything to do with that date.
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You were certainly insinuating it when you made your remark about the pope dieing on 2012.

Oh, and this:



...is an admission that your case does not adhere to logic. Your approach, as you say, is not logical and logic is irrelevant to it.

--- G.
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I don't feel like lecturing you on the structures of logic, I'm sure ebola! would be glad to point you in the right direction if you asked him nicely.
 
basically, you have said that a bunch of vague conditions that may or may not agree with each other (these all seem to all be unknowns) mean that something may or may not happen in 2012 because well, i don't know why and you seem pretty unwilling to spell anything out.

so yeah, it's pretty nonsensical.
 
I think we have a new age version of David =D

Unless of course there are some explanations or specifics forthcoming, which I am starting to doubt.

--- G.
 
michael said:
basically, you have said that a bunch of vague conditions that may or may not agree with each other (these all seem to all be unknowns) mean that something may or may not happen in 2012 because well, i don't know why and you seem pretty unwilling to spell anything out.

so yeah, it's pretty nonsensical.
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Sorry I'm not familiar with the word sensical. Care to define?
 
Sensical is not a word, English doesn't work like that.

Nonsensical means "lacking intelligible meaning" - as your dictionary will confirm.

--- G.
 
yougene said:
I didn't make myself very clear in the first post I was pretty scatter brained.

Basically the point I was trying to make is that the current system wasn't designed for the information age and dealing with such fast paced change. Sooner or later someone is going to have to redesign it pretty much from the ground up. Yes, there are people exploring every facet of existance, but it is often hard to integrate this experience and information into present day bureacracies(sp?) in an efficient and fully useful manner. Technology has become an integral part of our lives, if we don't manage and design it properly than it's just a disaster waiting to happen. The fact that something as simple as a distributed denial of service attack can practically bring down the internet(and the economy connected to it) is pretty ridiculous.

The obvious solution to me, is the decentralization of power and resources in some areas, and the centralization of power and resources and others. Changes in fundamental structures. This may or may not be around 2013, but the timing seems about right.
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Although the original poster asked your thoughts about the 2012 "issue", I think that morrison has exausted his/her opinion about said topic.

Does anyone else have any theories?

/end playmod
 
michael said:
you don't need to type anything out again, you just need to either explain what you have said or at least make it be sensical.
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Ever heard of common courtesy?
 
obtuse is an agle that is more than 90 degrees.

your angles hold no water.

however, obtuse angles are seen everywhere, you just have to find a different angle to reach these people.



I don't know about the 2012 jargon myself. The Mayans say it will be the end of the "world". In many other traditions, "worlds" denote "times". Aquarian, and blah blah blah.. i don't know enough without referencing.

However, despite this, I do feel a change is coming about. By a different angle, change is the only constant.

Nobody knows what will happen-at least consciously-in terms of future events.

we can deal with the future when it becomes the present.

hmm.

this is totally contra to some of the ideas I hold. I'm a backer of this 2012 stuff. I am silent about it, though... because nobody knows when the world will "end" and when it will "begin". It's always ending, always ending... always the same, but never the same.

always the same, and always different- a wise man once said.

I think at most-right now, a lot of wisdom can be gained by studying and preparing for this phenomenon.

Don't listen to the nay-sayers. They're just taking the safe route.
 
yougene said:
Judaism - Most of the signs of the coming of the mashiach have been fulfilled.

Catholicism - Benedict is the last prophecised pope

Scientifically - increasing speeds of development

Mayans - Calender
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If you were living in say 1950 you could have said the world would be ending in the mid 70s because :

Nuclear War : The Cold War was heating up (what a pun!)

Idiologically : Those damn Reds win, McCarthy was right!!

Viral : Polio killing more and more people, even in the US

Jehovah's Witnesses : Predicted the end of the world, though it was originally predicted for 1914 and 1925. Guess what? They have been and gone and civilisation is still here.

Scientific : Runaway increase in development due to the just invented transistor (Bell Labs, 1947)

Some might even say its amazing that all those different points of view have so much coherence (except the J.W's). With increase prolification of information thanks to the transistor, Communism can spread faster across the globe. Increase idiological pressure on Capitalist nations meaning increased tensions politically, economically and militaristically between "us" and "them". Enormous funds might be poured into nuclear and biological warfare, ultimately precipitating in all out global warfare of the type capable of killing all life, and any human life that might just survive will be communist!! Dear god!! Think of the children!!!!

Alternatively, its all just paranoic crap seeing grand patterns where there are none? The claims of 2012 are no more than giving a specific date, as dictated by the Mayan calender, to events which can be spread over a 30 year period (the pope could die anywhere from right now to 2030) and claiming they are all giving exactly the same result. If I claimed all my evidence for the world ending in the 70s pointed to July 23rd 1974 does it make it more plausable? Perhaps if I applied "The Bible Code" to "Lord of the Rings : The Two Towers" and could show it gave this date along with multiple mentions of The Illuminati and even shape shifting reptiles (after all, I can make a cypher which will produce any evidence I want from so large a book) would you believe me now?
 
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