qwe
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weed works mainly on cannabinoids. indirect effect on DA yeah, but E has a direct effect on DA
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Debating on whether or not to try ecstasy
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The first time I did E I waited two weeks for the next. The second one was fun, but it wasn't "magical" like the first, So I decided to wait another month from there. Which is exactly two weeks from now.
The main thing about E, I find, is it doesn't produce pleasure. It feels like an enhancer rather than a supplier. What I mean is, looking back at the memories on ecstasy, it wasn't being high I crave, but rather what I was doing on it. It's not like a "I really miss that feeling of ecstasy" but more of a "That was an awesome time I had - I wish I could hug my friends all the time like I did on E!". And the E memories are as addicting as any other fun memory, like an amusement park. In short, with other "dope" drugs you addicted to the feeling rather then what happens when you're on it.
In my opinion you can't be dependent on it because it doesn't produce euphoria out of nothing like opiates (I think - I've never done any opiates). It's also not an escape. You can't take E in the morning and expect your day to be amazing.
Also, weed works on dopamine while E works on serotonin (mainly). So it's completely different from in terms of addiction.
By the way, for sleeping, have you tried melatonin? I have insomnia and it works wonders for me. Non-addictive and non-toxic.
That's the other reason I hesitated to roll, I can't find a party/rave. It's ok though, I found a "gathering" to go to this friday, and I'm almost positive I'm picking up the rolls tomorrow. I'm sure it'll be boring alone and stuck in my house, since like you said, it only enhances things.
Yeah weed works on dopamine, which is "weaker" than serotonin since serotonin I think is what causes the empathy and such. Niether of them are addicting, only mentally addicting.
Melatonin didn't seem to make me fall asleep quicker, but rather it increased the amount of REM sleep, and my sleep quality drastically improved. It didn't help me going to bed so late though, so regardless I lie in bed craving a nice bowl.
Well weed activates the receptors which then stop the release of DA inhibitory neurotransmitters. So basically it's the same, because if I remember correctly, X works by being taken up by serotonin and DA receptors and then forces the DA/ST out of the cell, forcing it to overstimulate the DA/ST receptors. So yeah weed works indirectly, but I don't think it matters.
Bsiren
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MDMA was my first "drug" drug, and I would have never ever imagined how positively it could effect my life. I think a honeymoon period is very common, it's hard to wait a full month sometimes....but it's manageable for most. If you haven't, I'd watch "ecstacy rising" with Peter Jennings, and read the inspirational "confessions of a middle aged ecstacy eater"- these both accurately discuss the down sides, and the benefits of MDMA.
What do you mean "drug" drug, do you mean recreational drug?
Also, what exactly is the honeymoon period? I used to think it was the period where the "magic" remains but I guess not?
TearItDown
Bluelighter
I'm not sure if this picture would help you make up your mind. (I think it might 
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)I'm not sure if this picture would help you make up your mind. (I think it might
I've seen that pic lots of times, that chart is way off. Heroin is not even close to being that harmful. Heroin is regarded as one of the worst because it is super addicting. As for harm, the drug itself isn't that much more harmful than other common drugs, as long as you take it in responsible doses. in fact, heroin is deacetylated into morphine before you even feel it. High doses of morphine aren't much worse for your brain than regular doses, it's your liver that can get damaged.
Tobacco is a little less dependent than? I don't think so. Studies have shown again and again that tobacco is more addictive than cocaine and even heroin in some cases. (Not talking about mental addiction here)
Weed is about just as harmful as ecstasy? No, weed is way safer. Ecstasy will fuck you up if you take it too often (once a week) and there's the slight chance of death from your first time. Plus it reacts with a few other drugs in dangerous ways, weed dosen't.
Anyway yeah I'm really stoned so I just kept adding to this post lol.
rave_itsrealfun!!!
Bluelighter
at first the experience is overwhelmingly positive, with no comedown attached if it's uncut, and can leave you with uplifted spirits for a little while. this leads many people to overuse mdma when they first discover it, without even realizing what they are doing. This initial overuse is the honeymoon. I did it once a week on average for 4 months, including a 4 night binge. this is obviously WAY too much use to sustain, and I had NO plans but to try it a couple times, but since I never developed side effects or loss of magic it felt natural to keep visiting that magical, perfect world of love.
that was a very special time in my life but I don't see myself using it more than once or twice a year now, which is totally cool because as a special treat it should be used very rarely. i would NEVER use it more than this now. If i had stuck to once a month at first, then this would probably be a sustainable level of use for at least a couple years. But after you take it on 20-30 different occasions, your brain will most likely begin to think about long term effects, and usage will naturally slow down immensely. After these signs to discontinue regular use, if you are unwise enough to continue using at the same rate, brain damage and loss of the ability to roll hard and enjoy it WILL occur.
As for addiction, it is not addictive whatsoever, but can basically be a chosen method of suicide or self-harm for unstable people. "Before I die, why not burn away all the happiness stored away in my mind?" That is my take on extended overuse, if i was suicidal I would burn myself out on mdma beforing ending my life haha. I am very addicted to marijuana as well, but this is serious shit and I think you will realize that, and not overuse it.
Brain damage even with short term use is a major concern, but the experience did not 'feel' damaging whatsoever. In fact, it felt enlightening. It really needs to be overused for the vast majority of people in order to cause problems. I would highly recommend trying mdma as the experience is truly unreal and worth experiencing.
Also, the quality varies a lot, avoid pills and capsules completely unless you have a testing kit. I was acquiring beautiful brownish rocks of crystallized mdma. Not 100% pure mdma, but in rock form at least you can tell that it is uncut with other mind altering substances. Look out for those beautiful mind blowing rocks haha.
that was a very special time in my life but I don't see myself using it more than once or twice a year now, which is totally cool because as a special treat it should be used very rarely. i would NEVER use it more than this now. If i had stuck to once a month at first, then this would probably be a sustainable level of use for at least a couple years. But after you take it on 20-30 different occasions, your brain will most likely begin to think about long term effects, and usage will naturally slow down immensely. After these signs to discontinue regular use, if you are unwise enough to continue using at the same rate, brain damage and loss of the ability to roll hard and enjoy it WILL occur.
As for addiction, it is not addictive whatsoever, but can basically be a chosen method of suicide or self-harm for unstable people. "Before I die, why not burn away all the happiness stored away in my mind?" That is my take on extended overuse, if i was suicidal I would burn myself out on mdma beforing ending my life haha. I am very addicted to marijuana as well, but this is serious shit and I think you will realize that, and not overuse it.
Brain damage even with short term use is a major concern, but the experience did not 'feel' damaging whatsoever. In fact, it felt enlightening. It really needs to be overused for the vast majority of people in order to cause problems. I would highly recommend trying mdma as the experience is truly unreal and worth experiencing.
Also, the quality varies a lot, avoid pills and capsules completely unless you have a testing kit. I was acquiring beautiful brownish rocks of crystallized mdma. Not 100% pure mdma, but in rock form at least you can tell that it is uncut with other mind altering substances. Look out for those beautiful mind blowing rocks haha.
Bsiren
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By drug I mean illegal drug, I had drank before, caffeine and otherr legal stimulants. MDMA does not impair my judgement or coordination like alcohol. I've since tried weed (my family lovesit, I'm not a big fan)
qwe
Bluelight Crew
or you get an afterglow and a new zest for living life and being happy
Oh yeah sorry that's what I meant
. You broke your drug virginity with E? Damn man that must have been intense as hell, I remember my first time smoking bud was quite an experience itself, because I had never experienced a profound psychoactive before (meaning strong psychoactives, not caffeine or benadryl and such) so I can't even imagine what E would feel like if it was my first drug. Though that's actually probably the best way to do it, lol.FadingGlow
Bluelighter
Try it. Love it. Don't ever abuse it.
Ecstasy will wrap you up like a baby and you won't think anything of it. I never thought I'd abuse it either. Now I got no short term memory, generalized anxiety, which I already have a history of, but it went away and now it's back.
Then again. It's helped me with a lot as well. Take it for what you will.
Nowadays I've lost a lot of the magic yet I'm still popping. Although not near as much as before.
Ecstasy will wrap you up like a baby and you won't think anything of it. I never thought I'd abuse it either. Now I got no short term memory, generalized anxiety, which I already have a history of, but it went away and now it's back.
Then again. It's helped me with a lot as well. Take it for what you will.
Nowadays I've lost a lot of the magic yet I'm still popping. Although not near as much as before.
LADOLCEVITA
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haha steroids on there, classic, obviously steroids are addicting or else there wouldn't be so many bodybuilders juiced off their asses. X is fairly safe man, just be in a good mindset before you do it and you will be fine, i wish i would have researched it the first time i did it because i freaked the fuck out when i was coming up haha, friends forced me to do it with them and i didnt really know shit about the drug
TearItDown
Bluelighter
The graph says that tobacco is more dependent...also, weed can be even more harmful. The graph illustrates physical harm, not mental. MDMA can cause a lot of mental damage. Weed can eventually destroy your lungs if you smoke it. Smoke is still smoke. There is VERY little chance of dying your first time. Both drugs can react in unpleasant ways.
A source wouldn't sway your already completely distorted views, however:
http://scienceblogs.com/isisthescientist/2009/09/a_comparison_of_addiction_and.php
(Based on a 2007 study from The Lancet in which experts classified the different drugs)
fuckkk
Greenlighter
for me its kind of like every time i roll, afterwards i feel like i don't really want to ever roll again. i just kind of somehow feel like mdma has already fulfilled me, and i don't need it. but eventually i come across e, and then i'm just like what the hell, why not.
It says cocaine is more dependent by a slight amount...
If by mental harm you mean brain damage, then that chart is useless because brain damage is by far the worst.
augustaB
Bluelighter
The figure reproduced above is taken from the report prof Nutt made for the British parliament.
It takes account of addictivity, physical harm, mental harm, harm to society
These elements were calculated from things like police reports, ER statistics, judgements, etc.
It takes account of addictivity, physical harm, mental harm, harm to society
These elements were calculated from things like police reports, ER statistics, judgements, etc.