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DEA emergency-scheduled 4 JWH's

so just to get this straight, ordering in the next week would still be legal? we can stock up? is this 30 day thing true? i don't wanna order like mad grams and have the good ole DEA come a knockin'
 
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novemberain said:
They just need to legalize MJ... enough of the BS already damn!
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Yea exactly. The only reason people even resort to using JWH is because marijuana is illegal in the first place. Banning these substances just pushes people to other substances, its been said a couple times in this thread but theres no way the DEA will be able to ban every single synthetic cannabinoid. Scheduling these may initially bring down the number of SPICE BLENDS you see, but as long as marijuana is illegal there will always be synthetic cannabinoids and people who use them to avoid drug tests for employment/probation reasons.
 
In all fairness, I think you all do realize we were spoiled and living in a short span of time where RCs have been available easily at great purity and quantity for very cheap... just with a little research.

We all saw this coming. Avoiding media exposure and using dangerous RCs as carefully as possible is the only bet for continued legalization on every other RC we may know and move (I speaking to you, 2cs and mephe users). Although they are RCs with little data behind them, at least with trust-able sources and good creditables you are know you are getting an uncut product.

For everyone RC taken off the street, another legal "designer drug" will pop up because of chemists. Others are already in the works.
 
2112acid said:
Is 018 the most popular one because it gives the most similar high to weed? If so im sure there will be a big hit to online vendors, and they might have trouble with sales of synthetic cannaboids.
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Jwh-018 is the most popular cause it is the most potent and easily available Jwh out atm, after the ban it obviously would no longer be easily available. Not cause it is most like weed. None of the Jwh really are just like weed, I find each of them are very close to weed in different ways. I do think the ban will be lifted if the DEA actually does perform tests to insure saftey.
 
Psyke said:
so just to get this straight, ordering in the next week would still be legal? we can stock up? is this 30 day thing true? i don't wanna order like mad grams and have the good ole DEA come a knockin'
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You are correct, buying it now is still legal but just keep in mind that in a month, possession will still be illegal regardless of when it was purchased.
 
killermunchies said:
Why do you think 081 would produce the same metabolite as 018 but not 122? Is there any fact behind this or is it just a guess? 081 and 122 seem to be very similar.

Also, I still can legally use my 250 so I'm not that mad, although I do have a gram of 200 in the mail that I'm gonna try to return unopened. But now that I think of it, will the value of these chemicals go up or down after they are illegal? The supply would be drastically cut but so would the demand.
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Heard from a JWH god on this forum. I don't remember who but he knows everything there is to know about the JWH compounds.
And no you can't use 250 legally, it's definitely an analog of 200 which gets prosecuted under the federal analogue act, id est you get the same punishment as if you had 200.
The only thing I can think of that couldn't be completely considered an analog of the banned substances that is available online is WIN-55,212-2. There's AM-694 but that is EXTREMELY neurotoxic, when your body metabolizes it, it turns it into a really dangerous chemical.


Psyke said:
so just to get this straight, ordering in the next week would still be legal? we can stock up? is this 30 day thing true? i don't wanna order like mad grams and have the good ole DEA come a knockin'
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yes and even after this there will be JWH-018, 200, etc floating around in the mail, hell people get weed seeds in the mail ALL the time and the DEA hasn't caught many people like that recently. Just buy some now and there can't be any legal action.
 
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^ With that in mind, trying to synthesize any chemicals without having at least a few college classes on chemistry is REALLY dangerous isn't it?

Now someone has to know this; if you have extensive chemistry knowledge can't you also synthesize most chemicals on your own if you know the structure of the molecule?


On topic: stupid DEA, just legalize, tax, and age-restrict weed OMFG seriously, you're killing more people by pushing them to legal chemicals which haven't been studied, than you would just legalizing non-carcinogenic, cancer-reducing, pain-killing, and hunger-inducing cannabis sativa and cannabis indica.
 
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Would SR-19, SR-18, RCS-4 (which i think is the same), and AM-221 be covered under the analogue act? VERY curious as to if you could still order these after dec.24


and that means....NO SMOKING JWH 018 ON CHRISTMAS
 
Psyke said:
Would SR-19, SR-18, RCS-4 (which i think is the same), and AM-221 be covered under the analogue act? VERY curious as to if you could still order these after dec.24
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Nope, chemical structure is very different. But don't use the AMs, the metabolism breaks them down into a chemical MUCH more dangerous than most of the deadly gases used in WWII. Go for win-55,212-2.
 
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I am very shocked on the federal emergency ban, as a former THC abuser (once had a $70 a day habit) this is somewhat of a crisis in my head as the jwh series has become a weed substitute for me.
 
eatface4life said:
I am very shocked on the federal emergency ban, as a former THC abuser (once had a $70 a day habit) this is somewhat of a crisis in my head as the jwh series has become a weed substitute for me.
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Jesus christ $70 a day?No Pricing - please read the simple rule list posted all over the place. -chainer
 
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Well just placed an order, vendors are offering fair prices so its time to snag em while they last.
 
Sooo is a solution containing synthetic cannabinoids not analogous to the four scheduled ones still an analog of "fake pot?" What about resinous balls (NOT like hash ;)) containing said compounds?


Wait, actually, can't you just make a new brand of incense and only include legal cannabinoids? Also, who the fuck are they going to get to analyze all these samples and determine which are scheduled, which are analogs of scheduled(going to be fun to prosecute these ones I bet), and which are legal? Hopefully cocaine possession charges will be dropped from labs being backlogged from analyzing spice products... Lol...
 
alt 14 said:
Wait, actually, can't you just make a new brand of incense and only include legal cannabinoids? Also, who the fuck are they going to get to analyze all these samples and determine which are scheduled, which are analogs of scheduled(going to be fun to prosecute these ones I bet), and which are legal? Hopefully cocaine possession charges will be dropped from labs being backlogged from analyzing spice products... Lol...
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Yes but there's a limited window of usable cannabinoids. All the JWHs are analogs of each other, all the CPs are analogs of CP-47,497 (retarded DEA banned an analog to it when they didn't need to to get it banned). Only ones that are somewhat available are the WIN-55,212-2s (there's like 3 forms of this specific chemical) and AM-694 which is very poisonous when it's broken down in your body.
 
It means that at least the fluoropentyl-residue is not dramatically toxic. No idea about the molecule in general, but my bet is that it ain't more harmful than the already available indole-based cannabinoids.
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if you read through the am-694 danger thread you realize it was misleading and still just as much in the air about it's toxity as the jwh's..... it does not break down into any type of ww2 chemical
 
Psyke said:
if you read through the am-694 danger thread you realize it was misleading and still just as much in the air about it's toxity as the
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Ah. Well some dipshit in that thread said JWHs cause cancer because napthalene does. But just because it's in the molecule doesn't mean it has the same effects as if it weren't. It's harmlessly connected to other atoms throughout the process and never actually turns into just napthalene.
 
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