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Splinter...seriously.
What is your problem with me?

I have NOT said that pills contain serotonin.
But you know that - you are simply taking a swipe at me.

However, MDMA does cause a massive surge of serotonin, followed by depletion. Sometimes this depletion is acute.

Many others will agree - you can taste a difference in your saliva after rolling.
This is not ingnorance, this is insight.
Either you can't tell, you didn't pay attention, or it just doesn't happen to you.
But quite a few would disagree with you on this one.

The information I present cannot harm anyone.
It is designed specifically to reduce harm.

However, your posts may indeed cause harm.
Many users never make it to your pill count unharmed.
So I would be careful calling me 'ignorant'.

'Arrogant', I'm fine with.
But 'ignorant' is uncalled for.
 
FBC- I just think that its kind of annoying that your body clearly doesn't agree with MDMA and you feel the need to come on here and freak everybody out. There is more than enough people on here telling everyone not to roll more than once a month. That keeps you safe. You take it a step further. You take every opportunity to flaunt your knowledge on ecstasy even when it isn't asked or implied that you should! It's getting old/annoying and I think you should just keep your comments to Advanced Drug Discussion when discussing what MDMA does. All you seem to do here in ED is freak people out who already know you shouldn't roll more than once a month. I wouldn't call you ignorant, you seem intelligent from your posts, but half of the stuff you post seems a bit distorted. I don't know if you want to become a moderator or what, but I can guarantee you nobody is going to grant you that position considering all you do is bash the drug. I just don't get your motive here, it kind of seems like you feel part of making yourself feel better to scaring others off. If it is, please stop.
 
Back to the OP.

I did actually rub the powder in my gums once. The after tasted lasted hours. It resurged the day after once I thought about it. Weird mental thing I guess. Rubbed soybean oil on my gum line and it went away... Lol
 
Chitown - thanks for using a civilized approach.
Splinter should take note.

I knew that after a while I would make a few 'enemies' on this board.
I'm ok with that.
I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner.

Frankly, the people that need help with MDMA tend to congregate here.
I could add the MDMA-fucked people from the Dark Side, Advanced DD, and Basic DD, and it STILL wouldn't equal the number seen in the Ecstasy board.

The fact is, this is where they come.
This board may be the best place on the whole internet for people to find help with MDMA-related problems.

No, I am not interested in a Moderator position.
I have nothing against the Mods, either.
But it seems pretty obvious that Mods are not allowed to be too PRO or ANTI MDMA.
They must remain diplomatic.

I can do a lot more in regards to harm prevention, right where I am.

Yes, there are plenty of users, Mods included, that ascribe to the 'once a month' or 'once every three months' rule.
I aim to do more than provide the rules - I want people to understand WHY they are important.

When you are learning something new, such as being trained for a job, you can't just be told 'this is how it's done'. To fully comprehend, you must understand WHY the rules exist.

Am I REALLY 'freaking' people out?
Or am I just pissing off a few users?

Sure, those that claim major problems may be made nervous about their condition after reading too much information. I get that.

Outside of that group, if I am scaring ANYONE, it is probably a GOOD thing.

Listen carefully - regular MDMA use is RISKY.
Re-dosing has been proven to cause more damage.
Some people actually die, and not just from drinking too much water.

There are valid reasons for users to be SCARED.
The proper term would be 'respect'.
But I do not simply spread mis-information to accomplish this.
I present TRUE information, which can be alarming all on its own.

If this freaks someone out - they are bothered by SCIENCE.
Not me.
 
First Bad Comedown said:
Chitown - thanks for using a civilized approach.
Splinter should take note.

I knew that after a while I would make a few 'enemies' on this board.
I'm ok with that.
I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner.

Frankly, the people that need help with MDMA tend to congregate here.
I could add the MDMA-fucked people from the Dark Side, Advanced DD, and Basic DD, and it STILL wouldn't equal the number seen in the Ecstasy board.

The fact is, this is where they come.
This board may be the best place on the whole internet for people to find help with MDMA-related problems.

No, I am not interested in a Moderator position.
I have nothing against the Mods, either.
But it seems pretty obvious that Mods are not allowed to be too PRO or ANTI MDMA.
They must remain diplomatic.

I can do a lot more in regards to harm prevention, right where I am.

Yes, there are plenty of users, Mods included, that ascribe to the 'once a month' or 'once every three months' rule.
I aim to do more than provide the rules - I want people to understand WHY they are important.

When you are learning something new, such as being trained for a job, you can't just be told 'this is how it's done'. To fully comprehend, you must understand WHY the rules exist.

Am I REALLY 'freaking' people out?
Or am I just pissing off a few users?

Sure, those that claim major problems may be made nervous about their condition after reading too much information. I get that.

Outside of that group, if I am scaring ANYONE, it is probably a GOOD thing.

Listen carefully - regular MDMA use is RISKY.
Re-dosing has been proven to cause more damage.
Some people actually die, and not just from drinking too much water.

There are valid reasons for users to be SCARED.
The proper term would be 'respect'.
But I do not simply spread mis-information to accomplish this.
I present TRUE information, which can be alarming all on its own.

If this freaks someone out - they are bothered by SCIENCE.
Not me.
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Im past the point of even readin your posts anymore since you simply repeat useless information and I can practically memorize everything you have to say so Ill be short and simple.

Bluelight is a community which for years has helped educate and inform users of the the myths and dangers of dancing on ecstasy. This is nothing new. Science has proven to a certain degree that MDMA cause some damage, perhaps MAYBE permanent.

But your approach to the most helpful members of this community have been anything but scare tactics. Your buddys may pat you on the back for being so "intelligent" but clearly you are only on top when you are slamming someone else down.

If I were to break my finger and had to be rushed in to the hospital, you would be sitting next to me telling me over and over about how its going to "fall off". :D

You would spout all nonsense and fear to try and get people to respect you and worship your facade of intellect even if you knew that everything were gunna be fine.

So Im sorry I have to combat you with my personal opinions on your "harm reduction" techniques. Just because you post your opinion doesnt make it true.

Just be mindful of other members in this community that you have never met and maybe you wont be a problem for this community any more.

Please just work with us here.
 
We're straying from the topic... which is dry mouth after all lol. But saying that some people die from Ecstasy use IS ignorant. People die from malignant hyperthermia/hyperpyrexia sure, but not from MDMA on its own. I don't know how you could make such a claim. And please don't talk to me like I'm some little kid and tell me to "listen closely", I know what MDMA does, so do many on this board, and I don't need somebody (especially a mr. know it all like yourself no offense) trying to educate me. I think I would get it from reading your other posts. This is just another example how you post the same thing on every thread... THE TOPIC IS THE AFTER TASTE IN YOUR MOUTH THE NEXT DAY, and you are talking about re-dosing, people dying, and how regular use is risky. Don't try to say you were just responding to me either, because if you read your previous post you were doing the same thing. Stay on topic man, come on. I'm not trying to argue with you but you get carried away on these rants and maybe for a while people liked reading it but I think that you are just being repetitive at this point. Sorry mods for going so far off the path that this thread is supposed to go.
 
Actually, my first post was 'on task'.
Sure, it included a lot of my typical 'rant' but it was geared towards the mod's question.

I didn't get off-task until Splinter started after me.
The two of you insisted that the discussion move into another territory.

For some reason, you have both started challenging and belittling me in the last few days. I wonder where you were for the last 4 months?

I get the fact that you both want citations from me, not just ranting.
But I have yet to see any substantial opposing information, from either of you.

In terms of common sense, sure - I come off very strongly.
But I have only come across three people, all in the last few days, that don't like my posts. There have been quite a few on the other side of the fence.

Maybe you are simply reading too many of my posts.
Just pretend I'm not here, if that's possible.

I think the mod's question has been answered, anyways.

One day, maybe my approach will change.
Remember, I am at the 7-month point in recovery.
I will likely always be a 'Mr. Know it All' - that's just in my personality.

But I will hopefully return, down the line, and share my 'complete recovery' with the community. Perhaps, then, you will find I have a more well-rounded approach.

But I stick to my FACTS, without apology.
 
^^^Didnt bother reading what that is because you are continuing to derail the thread to prevent yourself from looking like an idiot.

AHEM

So Ill act like the adult here and move this thread back on topic.

OP Most of the pills I have eaten taste like battery acid and mustard...anything that taste that shitty will probably stick with you for awhile. Its definitely not because you are "tasting serotonin".

which Ill remind members of this forum we have seen NO data to support such a claim.
 
Ummm I've been mainly HELPING people in TDS... How about this for a fact? In 2001 there were 81 cases of MDMA related deaths, only 9 of them where MDMA was solely ingested. The leading cause of MDMA related deaths are malignant hyperthermia and hyponatremia, but I'm sure you know this. Adding in what were probably accidental deaths that occurred because somebody got killed by some external factor WHILE high on MDMA, how many do you think were caused by MDMA alone? I'm guessing maybe 1-2. Honestly I would like to say zero. Let's stop this conversation, you've made your point that you're a prick... and practically even admitted it yourself.
 
^FBC is trying to say that since serotonin and stomach bile are connected in some way that the OP is tasting his serotonin in his mouth the next day after he rolls, not that you can taste serotonin in pills. I don't know if there is any scientific evidence to back this up. Chances are FBC is just blowing things out of proportion (no surprise), and the OP has a case of dry mouth. :). This thread should probably be closed before he makes a response.
 
Another reason this "theory" is harmful is that ever p-tot and raver on this community are going to assume that if they cant taste "the serotonin releasing in their mouth" than its a bad pills.

Obvisuously pills dont contain serotonin, and they certainly dont "trigger the release serotonin on your tounge causing bad taste"
 
Soda/pop always tastes good to me the day after ... actually it's one of the few things that does taste good. I never drink it regularly so I allow myself some after mdma use.

One of my good friends says she has had a bitter taste in her mouth the day after a few times she's used. I have no clue what it's from. She has tested pills too.

For me, the day after, everything tastes disgusting. I remember the first time I rolled, I didn't eat the next two days. Talk about a brutal hangover ... I know I have to eat but I didn't :p. Anyway, I've been smarter since. But for most people, food does taste gross the next day.
 
First Bad Comedown said:
Chitown - thanks for using a civilized approach.
Splinter should take note.

I knew that after a while I would make a few 'enemies' on this board.
I'm ok with that.
I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner.

Frankly, the people that need help with MDMA tend to congregate here.
I could add the MDMA-fucked people from the Dark Side, Advanced DD, and Basic DD, and it STILL wouldn't equal the number seen in the Ecstasy board.

The fact is, this is where they come.
This board may be the best place on the whole internet for people to find help with MDMA-related problems.

No, I am not interested in a Moderator position.
I have nothing against the Mods, either.
But it seems pretty obvious that Mods are not allowed to be too PRO or ANTI MDMA.
They must remain diplomatic.

I can do a lot more in regards to harm prevention, right where I am.

Yes, there are plenty of users, Mods included, that ascribe to the 'once a month' or 'once every three months' rule.
I aim to do more than provide the rules - I want people to understand WHY they are important.

When you are learning something new, such as being trained for a job, you can't just be told 'this is how it's done'. To fully comprehend, you must understand WHY the rules exist.

Am I REALLY 'freaking' people out?
Or am I just pissing off a few users?

Sure, those that claim major problems may be made nervous about their condition after reading too much information. I get that.

Outside of that group, if I am scaring ANYONE, it is probably a GOOD thing.

Listen carefully - regular MDMA use is RISKY.
Re-dosing has been proven to cause more damage.
Some people actually die, and not just from drinking too much water.

There are valid reasons for users to be SCARED.
The proper term would be 'respect'.
But I do not simply spread mis-information to accomplish this.
I present TRUE information, which can be alarming all on its own.

If this freaks someone out - they are bothered by SCIENCE.
Not me.
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Excuse me?

Im not 'doing a job' I am not 'trained' to mod this section - Im a long term ecstasy user - I do not hold a pro-ecstasy use the same way I dont have a Anti use - policy either. I answer / reply to questions as truthfully as I can (based on my knowledge and experience)

You are certainly not 'Freaking me out' or 'pissing me off' either - your comment on this thread is that 'you' have a funny taste in your mouth after rolling and that 'you' notice a difference when the rolls are of a different strength.

If your trying to tell me that you can tell the quality of the MDMA / strength of a roll purely based on your 'after roll' breath then - massive respect to you.

Can you really tell the difference between 100 / 150mgs of MDMA based on your next day breath 8o - Just reading your post has me laughing !

Your also doing nothing for harm reduction with your posts - You should know 'before' you pop what your taking and should not rely on 'how does my breath smell' the day after to the quality /cut of your pills.
 
^ Immature.

Chitown - stop calling upon your Mod buddies for back-up. You are a big boy now.

Bearlove,
I'm sure that your contributions and knowledge far outweigh what these kids bring to BL.
However, you have misconstrued my argument.

I am smart enough to know that BL does not 'train' or 'employ' the moderators.
You earn your position through years of helpful posting.
But I do see a trend that Mods tend to be more neutral in regards to their arguments.
This is a trait caused by passage of time and experience, otherwise known as 'wisdom'.

Not once did I suggest that I was 'freaking you out' or 'pissing you off'.
That was clearly directed at Chitown and Master Splinter, not any mods.

It is also obvious that I am not claiming to know the purity or dosage based on taste.
I simply remarked that lower quality tabs, which I test, result in a modestly different taste the next day. Not during the roll...

I find the relationship between serotonin, tryptophan, stomach bile, and MDMA to be fascinating. Saliva belongs in this group, too.

And you can find plenty of harm-reduction advice, if you are willing to read through all of my posts. Yes they are long, and strong....but information is the best harm-reduction strategy there is.
 
Splinters Thoughts, With MasterSplinter

First Bad Comedown said:
I do see a trend that Mods tend to be more neutral in regards to their arguments. This is a trait caused by passage of time and experience, otherwise known as 'wisdom'. .
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Are you seriously upset that bluelight moderators are neutral in their arguments? Your mad that they are not biased one way or the other? Whoa... Let me refresh you on what it means to have a degree of intelligent arguement ;) :

mod·er·a·tion    [mod-uh-rey-shuhn] Show IPA –noun
1. the quality of being moderate; restraint; avoidance of extremes or excesses; temperance.

Neutrality is important for everything we do! If we didnt have it then people like yourself would feed us bullshit all the time until their followers were numbed down to their one sided opinions of ignorance.

You make no attempt to show two sides of an equation. Its either your way or the highway. Bearlove takes in all of the data and makes assessments based on real data and not her own views and opinions.

Its obvious that you dont respect people like this. You fall into this catagory:

sub·jec·tive    [suhb-jek-tiv] Show IPA –adjective
1. existing in the mind; belonging to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought ( opposed to objective).
2. pertaining to or characteristic of an individual; personal; individual: a subjective evaluation.
3. placing excessive emphasis on one's own moods, attitudes, opinions, etc.; unduly egocentric.

^^^Hmm...that certainly doesnt sound like the behavior of someone who knows all "the facts"...sounds more like the behavior of someone who THINKS they know all the facts. Since your all about repeating information, let me remind you :

Back in october you got to high on MDMA with your gay friends and then fucked up an enema and damaged your serotonin system. Isnt it obvious why your full of so much negativity and jaded energy?

And even still you fail to surprise me. Its rather entertaining watching you try and defend your draconian MDMA theorys when in reality your the one who fucked up his intestines.

You are certainly more sensitve to MDMA then us. We get it. But the fact of the matter is that alot of the bluelight community find you to be a little "over-reactive" sometimes. Most of us really dont agree with your arguments and a lot of these people on this forum havnt even abused!

Therefor data that personally applies to your subjective opinions and experience will not line up with the real world experiences of others.

No one gets as scarred as you from "Rolling 30x in there life at age 29",
First Bad Comedown said:
My lifetime total is about 30, most of which were spaced out better..
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You have never been on a multi-day binge, never rolled for weeks on end, never taken a bad pill, and certainly never exhibited abusive behavior like some people on this website…whats funny is that even people like ChiTown who have taken 800+ beans aint even as negative or jaded about MDMA as you….

You mentioned that one of your partners had a telescopic intestine…perhaps this is where you generate your fears about your own serotonergic system? Its clear that you steer "the facts" to represent your own opinion.

You treat every conversation like an immature argument and present your theories like religion. To you, every bluelighter is just an e-tard and you are the chosen one who saw the truth and went on to 'spread the word'

But Im not sold. I don't know who you really are, I will never now. But one thing is certain,

MDMA fucked you up more than any of us. Yes the brain gut connection exists. No one is arguing that. But stop telling everyone that "the brain is hopelessly re-wiring" itself past the PNR and the intestines should be thought of a "second brain"

First Bad Comedown said:
it took 4 months of constant searching/reading/digesting scientific data for me to come to my conclusions. It was a very slow and hard-earned accomplishment.
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4 months dude? I think this is really where I stopped finding credibility in your conclusions. Im sure sitting around on unemployment all this time has provided you with a "wealth" of knowledge, but lets face it, I know community college graduates with a better wealth of medical information than you.

So your no neurologist or doctor bro. Stop trying to fool everyone because I don't buy all this "Cut n Paste" nonsense.

But I understand it must hurt for you inside…so if you need someone to talk to just PM me…a lot of people find that I can be a comfort in their times of despair... <3

Im here for you dude, seriously...
 
Splinter, you are patronizing and on the offense, but at least you finally spent a little more time writing. Arguing effectively takes some effort, doesn't it?

First, why would you even suggest that I am somehow pissed at mods?
I am pleased that they are more neutral and mature than the average member. I consider it a good thing.
Moving on...

You only came after me since I PMed your buddy, Chitown.
I contacted him to warn him about his heavy use.
I found his assertion that he is almost at 1000 pills over 5 years to be extreme.
Moreover, he seemed to downplay the negative effects, which is dangerous to other readers.

Your referring to him in the above post, is a continuation of the MYTH that long-term MDMA abuse can happen without consequence. That is a trait of addiction, my fellow BLer.

I did, indeed, have a 'multi-day' binge. Now you are steering facts.
Rolling two days in a row, after rolling two weekends in a row, was enough to spell disaster for me.
The enema played a very minor role, if any.
I strongly suspect taking 100mg benedryl after 48 hours is what put me over the line.
I have never felt such euphoria/dizziness from benedryl.
The very next day is when everything changed.

If this relatively moderate 'binge' plus 4 doses of diphenhydramine is enough to have this effect, then it would seem that users like you ARE dangerous when you spread MYTHS about the safety of MDMA. The majority of other sufferers seem unwilling to fight this battle with 'pro-MDMA' boards. I am different.
I am the chosen one.

As for Chitown, my concern was primarily for him.
The response I have received is rather astonishing.
Both of you have followed me around for DAYS, constantly replying to my every argument. A few others have joined you, moderately. But the two of you seem to be tied at the waist.
I also suspect you have been PMing mods...

If I had known what showing a little concern for Chitown would get me, I wouldn't have bothered. Your show of concern for me is back-handed, so let it expire this time.

I do not pretend to be a doctor, but I could have been one.
My propensity towards the technical and medical is a long-standing trait.

I studied MDMA and the 5-HT system, extensively.
Many of the conclusions I reached happened within 3-4 months, but I continue to study.
The field of neurology is nebulous, even for the doctors.

It was not until I felt confident about the basics that I decided to return to BL and provide what NOBODY could provide me with when I so desperately needed it - information.
Searching through the archive of BL and other sites revealed a cold fact - people that are harmed by MDMA write in very little detail.
Eventually, they indicate that recovery happens, but many do not even bother.
For some people, Splinter, that is not enough.

I have always been a smart person, and I digested a LOT of information.
I did not 'steer the facts' as much as you think.

Before I even began research, I was shocked by how many anecdotal reports I found indicating that MOST people in recovery from MDMA alter their diets radically.
Why is this such a reoccurring trend?

This was just the first clue, but it was a consistent one - look for yourself.
Then I learned the basics of serotonin, such as 95% of it is in the intestines, NOT the brain.
These facts found me. I was simply looking with open eyes.

This was just a starting point.
My study was NOT limited to the 'gut' theory.
I read hundreds of abstracts, at least 30 FULL research papers, and several META-studies.

Meta-studies are quite interesting, because they are the result of someone else doing what I'm trying to do - compressing hundreds of studies into a comprehensive presentation. The conclusions reached in META-studies back up MANY of my assertions.
Soon, you will see links.

Then, will you continue to fight me?
Will you call it 'propaganda'?

The fact is, son, that science incriminates MDMA from many different directions.

However, it has also shown some psychological benefits.
This has been seen with other psychedelic drugs, like mushrooms and LSD.
People have described some of the most meaningful experiences of their lives while on these drugs. Some studies suggest around 70% of subjects questioned felt this way.

But what you and MANY others on BL don't get is this - all of these psychological benefits are mediated by careful dosing and one-time use.
By NO means do these benefits occur without consequence.
What do you think these liberal scientists would say to this community about having hundreds of psychedelic experiences?

MDMA is riskier than mushrooms or LSD, yet many eat MDMA like it is the best drug ever invented.
While the experience of 'rolling' is arguably more euphoric, this should be assumed to carry a higher risk.

If you respected MDMA and used it only 2-4 times per year, you would NOT be here on BL fighting with me. Others that read these posts, will recognize the true 'harm-reduction' that I practice.
We were not meant to have such powerful experiences over and over again!

Chitown has acclimated to the alterations in his 'brain-gut' circuitry.
Good for him. Many others are not so lucky.

For the 20 or so people that have approached me for real help, I was there for them. If you ever find yourself among them, you let me know. <3
For the countless others that will eventually find their way to my postings, I hope I have lit the very dark path that is MDMA recovery.
 
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