DATING a WOMAN who was a MAN

[@lterEgo]

i think i could roll with it provided these two things were true:

1. i hadn't been misled for a long period of time

2. the person was really awesome and i liked them a lot

*shrug* i don't discriminate based on genitalia, so i guess this isn't that far out of bounds for me. i can see how it might be a mindfuck for someone who is completely straight however.

 

[a2nstyler]

2. the person was really awesome and i liked them a lot

just say your best male friend did this...turned into a woman..and blah blah
u guys are best of friends and see everything the same way and just perfect buddies
doesnt change the fact that "she" use to be male
could u go on dating ur best friend?

 

[SvnLyrBrto]

I'd be kind of peeved if there were any lying or deception with the intention to trick me into bed. And that would probably rule out an actual relationship. Honesty being the foundation and all that. Heck, that sort of bullshit is such a turn-off that's probably end the night right there... unless we're talking about such total hawtness in the range of Harisu or Linetrap. (Google them. They're both celebrities enough... Harisu in real life and Linetrap mostly on the internet.)

But if she were forthright and honest about it upfront, what's the BFD? If someone's attractive and likable and fun to be with; why worry yourself about what genitalia is or was down there? Oh, I'll go through phases where boys are more attractive and phases where I'd prefer to date girls. But either way, I think I'm imaginative enough that I could find something to do down there. Heck... I like my boys to be very slightly effeminate, and my girls just a bit on the boyish side anyway. Androgyny is hot.

And just to show my point... I found a couple of photos of Harisu and Linetrap. Hell, with either of these two, they could still HAVE the penis, and I'd count myself damn lucky. (Images are actually okay... one's a bathing suit shot tho... I just didn't want to clutter up other peoples' bluelights with large images.)

NSFW:

Harisu:

Linetrap:

And on a final note... it's the 21st century for crying out loud!!! What sort of animal is still advocating violence against people based on their sexuality?!?!? What the fuck is wrong with you people? If you're looking for sickness and betrayal you people need just look in the mirror.


cya,
john

 

[Jamshyd]

^ See? I told you! (about east asian men).

 

[rat tat tat tat]

And on a final note... it's the 21st century for crying out loud!!! What sort of animal is still advocating violence against people based on their sexuality?!?!? What the fuck is wrong with you people? If you're looking for sickness and betrayal you people need just look in the mirror.


cya,
john

Meh, cuz where talking about basically if you fuck someone under the pretense that they're a women and it turns out they lied to you or maybe didn't lie (how many people ask someone they're with if they ever had a penis?) but at least they weren't up front about it and the matter of the fact is that I could never advocate violence against women but it's still a dude. But no, it would be fucked up to walk up to some unsuspecting tranny and punch them for just being a tranny.

The pictures have my head confused. Do they both have dicks or no?

 

[SvnLyrBrto]

Meh, cuz where talking about basically if you fuck someone under the pretense that they're a women and it turns out they lied to you or maybe didn't lie (how many people ask someone they're with if they ever had a penis?) but at least they weren't up front about it and the matter of the fact is that I could never advocate violence against women but it's still a dude. But no, it would be fucked up to walk up to some unsuspecting tranny and punch them for just being a tranny.

The pictures have my head confused. Do they both have dicks or no?

Like I said. Dishonesty rules out a relationship, and active trickery probably ends the night. But violence? That's the only sickness here. And anyone who's going to behave like that kind of animal deserves nothing other than to be locked away from society in a cage LIKE an animal.

And no, a transexual is not "still a dude". It's a legitimate and recognized medical and psychological phenomenon. It's not 100% understood, granted. And, so far as I know, science is not sure wether it's genetic, hormone imbalance in the womb, or random bits just get flipped in their brains. (Those were the top three theories last time I read anything on the topic.) But psychologically, these girls are ALREADY girls. Biology simply made a mistake with their bodies. And SRS and hormone treatment for them is no different than having a mole removed or taking Lactaid is for you or me.

As for the pics... Harisu is post-op. Linetrap is pre-op, but on hormone therapy.


cya,
john

 

[lagomorpha]

No pregnancy and no periods? If she looked decent enough I'd almost prefer it. If you find a good enough surgeon a post-op transsexual will be self-lubricating.

 

[Mr Blonde]

I guess just for the purpose of inspection, not use...it wouldn't be cool for a TS to dupe a guy, it should be up front info...IMO...there are other 'issues' I could site for myself, such as the 'scent' of a woman and the previously stated 'female personality'...

This reminded me of something...has anyone else seen that show that was on a few years ago, 'There's Something About Miriam?' A reality show where a bunch of guys are battling to win the heart of this person they THINK is a girl...and then at the end of it 'she' lifts up 'her' skirt and shows them that 'she' is actually a 'he'?

Talk about class.

I think all the guys above who replied to my question have serious insecurities about their masculinity to work through.

I don't know about those other guys, but I'm very secure with my 'masculinity'. If anything, sometimes I'm a little feminine in the way I move and act, but that doesn't concern me or anything. Just another quirk in my personality

Just to clarify, I'm also straight.

And no, a transexual is not "still a dude". It's a legitimate and recognized medical and psychological phenomenon. It's not 100% understood, granted. And, so far as I know, science is not sure wether it's genetic, hormone imbalance in the womb, or random bits just get flipped in their brains. (Those were the top three theories last time I read anything on the topic.) But psychologically, these girls are ALREADY girls. Biology simply made a mistake with their bodies. And SRS and hormone treatment for them is no different than having a mole removed or taking Lactaid is for you or me.

That's true. And I feel sorry for the special kind of torment these people live with their whole lives. But to me, being born a man makes you a man, no matter what kind of surgery you have or how your mind works.

And I should still have the right to know before any kind of relationship, even a one night stand, whether a person used to have the male anatomy. In my mind, it's almost on the same level as letting someone know you have an STD. To a lot of people, sleeping with a transsexual is sleeping with someone of the same gender, and would be something they definitely wouldn't do if they were informed of a partner's background.

 

[Mariposa]

Let's settle down.

Most of us were born with XX or XY chromosomes. Most of us express our gender as such. (thank you AmorRoark for highlighting the sex/gender dichotomy; it does exist).

Some of us were born with one set of chromosomes but, behaviorally, socially, and lifestyle-wise, identify as the other. I know factually that there are people out there, plenty of them, that deserve empathy and respect same as anyone.

I think it's important to be truthful with a sexual partner for safety reasons. I'd like to know if my man used to be a woman. I feel they have an obligation to disclose that to me, as I would to them if I were in their situation.

Fooling one's partner in any manner is bad news.

 

[@lterEgo]

a2nstyler: i can't really say how i'd react to a situation where i witnessed someone going through the gender reassignment process over the course of our friendship. i was thinking more along the lines of someone i just met (and therefore only know as their current gender), and if finding out they were born with different anatomy would be a dealbreaker for me. even so, my response is the same: i wouldn't automatically walk away. love, attraction, and even acceptance can be quite unpredictable.

I like my boys to be very slightly effeminate, and my girls just a bit on the boyish side anyway. Androgyny is hot.

first of all, hell yes. secondly, i think this raises an interesting point. i believe androgyny is the ultimate expression of someone who is truly "trans" gender, as in they actually transcend gender. they don't conform to the behaviors, the attitudes, and the norms mandated by traditional gender roles. disregarding that whole system of belief and action, to me, is rising above gender.

conversely, those that identify as "transgender" seem to be more obsessed with gender than almost anyone. some of them just try so hard and it's painfully obvious. sometimes the only thing more obnoxious than an ultramasculine macho man is a FTM transsexual trying to play the role of an ultramasculine macho man. i feel for them because it can't be easy, but frankly i don't think those folks are transcending jack shit. if anything, they are the most entangled in the gender mess and the most chained to the masculine/feminine dichotomy.

androgynous people reject the gender paradigm altogether, and in my opinion that is a far better example of genuine transcendence.

 

[Mr Blonde]

first of all, hell yes. secondly, i think this raises an interesting point. i believe androgyny is the ultimate expression of someone who is truly "trans" gender, as in they actually transcend gender. they don't conform to the behaviors, the attitudes, and the norms mandated by traditional gender roles. disregarding that whole system of belief and action, to me, is rising above gender.

conversely, those that identify as "transgender" seem to be more obsessed with gender than almost anyone. some of them just try so hard and it's painfully obvious. sometimes the only thing more obnoxious than an ultramasculine macho man is a FTM transsexual trying to play the role of an ultramasculine macho man. i feel for them because it can't be easy, but frankly i don't think those folks are transcending jack shit. if anything, they are the most entangled in the gender mess and the most chained to the masculine/feminine dichotomy.

androgynous people reject the gender paradigm altogether, and in my opinion that is a far better example of genuine transcendence.

QFT. Every single word of it.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

I'm not trying to be clever or big, but violence wouldn't be off the table if I found out. Not telling someone you used to be the other sex is the ultimate betrayal.

Sadly violence against trans women can happen when someone finds out that the woman they had sex/a relationship with was born a man or hasn't gone through SRS yet.

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwen_Araujo

 

[Rogue Robot]

Meh, cuz where talking about basically if you fuck someone under the pretense that they're a women and it turns out they lied to you or maybe didn't lie (how many people ask someone they're with if they ever had a penis?) but at least they weren't up front about it and the matter of the fact is that I could never advocate violence against women but it's still a dude. But no, it would be fucked up to walk up to some unsuspecting tranny and punch them for just being a tranny.

The pictures have my head confused. Do they both have dicks or no?

But at what point does one bring up that they've had sexual reassignment surgery? Either way, I think a lot of people would freak out regardless of when it is said, unfortunately.

Having sex with someone who no longer has a penis doesn't make you gay.

 

[jam uh weezy]

And no, a transexual is not "still a dude". It's a legitimate and recognized medical and psychological phenomenon. It's not 100% understood, granted. And, so far as I know, science is not sure wether it's genetic, hormone imbalance in the womb, or random bits just get flipped in their brains. (Those were the top three theories last time I read anything on the topic.) But psychologically, these girls are ALREADY girls. Biology simply made a mistake with their bodies. And SRS and hormone treatment for them is no different than having a mole removed or taking Lactaid is for you or me.

That's definitely up for debate...one I'm not going to, as they say, touch with a ten foot pole.

As for the pics... Harisu is post-op. Linetrap is pre-op, but on hormone therapy.


cya,
john

Ok, so the harisu WAS male, I get that, and yes i gotta say she's good lookin....but Linetrap IS a girl becoming a male? Or Linetrap is still a male becoming a female? Cause either way.... daaaamn she/he is cute. I would be totally pissed if I hooked up with someone that hot and they weren't honest with me about this thing. Only becuase I know I wouldn't if I knew beforehand. I would have absolutely no problems being a friend tho, as long as linetrap respected my boundaries. Friends are all about whats inside too me, It would be over in heartbeat if she didn't.

 

[GoddessLSD-XTC]

My Transsexual Vagina, Clit & Dildo

F2M would never work. M2F would work if U were not into g-spots or clits. Either way, a TS has an obligation to tell the truth. I warn guys NOT to fall into love with me, when I can see they are. They ask why and I say, I'm not looking 4 love. I pretty much gave up my slutty ways as risky, unsatisfying waste of time.

If U look at a F2M (naked, like sucking it) you'll know something's wrong.

I fooled many guys who ate me.

Got clocked by a guy who fingered me and another who saw me with my legs spread too far in the light.

Here's a pic of my Vee:

NSFW:

Up to 8" is okay with me, anything less than 6" is not fun. I had one clit orgasm via brisk rubbing. Sometimes I need lube, sometimes, pre-cum makes it wet.

 

[zigzag| dta]

i say no thanks.

first off, a penis and a vagina are things our born with. you cant make them.

so a girl who used to be a guy, is actually still a guy. just with a mutilated penis.

essentially

atleast thats how i see it.....

 

[Frankie Catalono]

I once dated a man who I found out wanted a woman with a "100% fully functional cock" I really liked him....but I wasn't his type....I didn't have a dick.

 

[GoddessLSD-XTC]

Yeah, Frankie, it trips me out 'cause I have T-grl friends and I'm always asking them what they do with guys or what the guys want them to do.

Mosta the guys like anal whereas most women don't. The t-grlz I know don't do women (butt they will do men) and none of the ones who advertise on Escort services offer to women either.

Zigzag: U may call it "mutilated" I call it perfected but there certainly ain't nothin like the real thing. (I have clit and V enVy.) It's actually "inverted." Inverted Penis!

 

[helium-4]

No thanks, I'd pass. One because she was a guy, and two she basically lied... Lying on big issues is no good in relationships.

 

[GoddessLSD-XTC]

^^^ Who's talking about relationships?! I think a few of the guys I had sex with didn't care if I was a guy, the others were mostly only interested in sex. I tell the guys to NOT fall into love with me, "I'm NOT looking 4 a LTR." The only thing I lie abut is my age. Only maybe one or two asked if I was a guy (or something 2 that affect), I refused to answer once and almost got into trouble the second time. I pretty much gave up my slutty ways and think now, to turn off guys I may just tell them (with a smile), "I used 2 b a guy." and see how they react.