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Dangers of low-dose RCs

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Vierailija

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Hey

I just got sold "LSD", which obviously isn't it because it's about a half a gram of powder. Yes, I admit, buying it was mindless, but it's done now. Let's talk about what can be done now.

I understand that I do not know what it is. I know it's not LSD but it's probably still some psychedelic, because the dealer wants me to continue doing business. I was thinking that a small dose can't hurt - one grain of the powder is probably some micrograms, if mentally comparing to sand grains. The dangers of research chemicals are mostly associated with long term neurotoxicity, right? One grain is probably some micrograms. What do you think about this kind of situation? Is it dangerous to test some really, really small doses, like a couple of grains? And then, if everything is fine, perhaps several hours later take, say ten fold dose?

I am not asking for speculation on what is it, because that's something we really can't figure out. Just trying to figure out if there's any way to utilize the lost money.
 
Hi,

Use a scale! One grain of the powder can be not the same from the batch#2, the density may not be the same between two batche so use a milligrams scale...

I know that I'm not in my right to told you that because of an event that happens but please be safe!
 
It is impossible to say if we have no idea what it is, and taking it cannot really be justified. The least threatening manner to approach this (besides dumping it which is what I highly recommend) is indeed titration, what you describe about taking a grain then later trying more.

However, proper titration involves an accurate milligram scale (and possibly volumetric measurement - check out our thread for it, it could be handy for you), and waiting longer than you suggest, to avoid stacking. Wait a week, ideally - a few days or at minimum a day if you must ( :( ). Also do not increase the dose 10-fold! Double at the most. Going up 10-fold is quite unsafe. Also start super low: nowhere around or above the dose needed for the most potent compounds, i.e. go sub-milligram - you can employ volumetric measurement to measure a dose that small.

If you don't have a scale, get one. We have a scale thread for you as well, you can find it in the Psychedelic Index (link in my signature).

I'd say there is a fair chance your reaction to reading is that you feel too impatient to do this. Well doing something like this is stupid to begin with, you have to be patient or not do it at all. Skipping over steps I mention is irresponsible, don't do it.
I have gotten mystery powders in the past, and I have not touched them. I might get them tested, but I always forget to.

If I were you I would invest my time and money into getting drugs more reliably, half a gram of powder as LSD is total nonsense and someone should slap your dealer in the face for offering it.

Speculation is certainly not allowed, but discussion of the dangers of research chemicals 'in general' is neither. You cannot generally discuss the safety of them all. By definition we know hardly that much about the safety of a single known compound, let alone a random unknown compound!!!

C'mon man, get to your senses and flush that shit.
 
Thank you. I think I won't try it at all.

Sigh. I have been trying to obtain LSD for medical purposes. I am not interested in recreational use. I got frustrated after failing to obtain it regardless of trying hard, and headed to the streets in the spur of the moment. I got myself into situation where I suddenly had agreed to buy the "LSD" without even realizing this. So suddenly he's demanding payment for what I have "taken" and I'm alone in the dark with only these big black dealers around me. I insisted I'm not accepting the deal but eventually "broke down" and handed him the cash... and left with a bunch of crap knowing this was the worst deal ever. I do think it's not just sugar, I do think it is drugs, but definitely not LSD and probably something very vague, perhaps contains MDMA.

I should call the cops :D

I'm trying to be sensible and therefore, I won't touch that shit. Will never do such deals again. I think if I would simply have told him that powder LSD is bullshit he would have admitted it. Fuck's sake, it was not a dangerous situation.

But in my defense...

... I was a virgin ;)
 
Yea I would lol hard if you could get them on a narcotics posession charge, but on the other hand it was you who went to them. I am not one of those guys who blames a rape victim for having put on a miniskirt. But you my friend, asked for this out of desperation and a little bit of ignorance. ;)

Why do you think there is drugs in the powder? Because that makes you feel somewhat less ripped off or because of a real reason? :)

I was a virgin once, and I'm pretty sure I never went to get fucked by 3 big black guys.

Unfortunately the issue with something with drugs like LSD is that it can be easy to find once you're in the right circles but it can be desperately possible or pointless to even find those circles in the first place before you can get 'into them'. I guess I can feel lucky for always having known the coinnaisseur type of psychonauts to trade with or the friendly type of dealing. I guess I started out realizing that abusing a forum's PM system to sollicit is shitty, but that you can PM a bunch of incrowd guys on a national forum to see if you can meet up with them (>>> hello circle) before actually starting to ask for help getting stuff. I never abused the forum really, I just used it to connect with people. A lot of psychonauts (I hate the term, but it is functional indeed) would kick people to the curb for asking for drugs without getting to know their name. I felt like a little bitch at first, asking for some kind of entry into their world. Much later it all came naturally, I guess it was a combination of commitment, intelligence and luck.
If you only want to use LSD for uncommon uses, that puts you at a disadvantage compared to people who actually care about getting to learn these kinds of social circles.

My post is not meant to help anyone finding drugs because that is not what we are here for - it's more like a biographical excerpt...
 
Even if it IS a psychedelic, it might still be possible to overdose and die. The NBOMe's have killed several people via overdose, as can other speedy phenethylamines. Sucks to have to trash something you paid for, but if you don't have access to a testing kit and scale it's definitely the best plan.
 
Yep, drug dealers are exceptionally skilled in persuading people to give them money. And the majority of researchers who have legitimate "medical purposes" for purchasing LSD would be doing so by contacting a chemical supply company, indicating their intent via the appropriate regulatory channels, obtaining the proper licenses and so forth, etc., etc. I'm going to take a wild guess....you suffer from migraines, and you heard low dose LSD can help with that? Or is there some other non-recreational purpose you had in mind?
 
without knowing what it is you cant possibly know how much would be a safe dose.
If its a DOx it will give you full effects in doses as low as 2-5mg whie if its a 2c-x or some tryptamine you probably need around 20mg. Ingesting 1 grain wont help you figur out what it is.
why not just ask your dealer.
 
Tell your dealer you know it's not LSD and ask what it actually is..

But you should still throw it away.
 
Glad you're thinking smart and going for the harm reduction route. :D
What kind of dealer give someone a bag of powder, misleading them about what compound it is, AND gives no dosage recommendations. Jesus...
 
OK clearly this is answered and resolved in a way, and I don't see it going anywhere else.

Be sensible and patient, have faith and persistance - you will find what you are looking for one day...
 
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