Kratom Daily users, how do you manage fatigue??

[Bitchniggaz]

When i started using kratom daily, it mostly as a energy boost during the afternoon to help me get through my daily routine.
I work out alot, lift weights, martial arts and daily stretching.
So i would estimate i spend about 2hours per day being a narcistic douche while turning my attention to my own body.

The first months kratom had only benefits since it helped me focus doing Maybe boring stretches and things i need but dont really enjoy.


Now its been around 4months of daily use and I litterally cant wake up before my morning dose of a white or green strain.
I try to be smart so i usually order every strain a vendor has and rotate daily.
White/green early and red ones later in the day.
Ive kept my does to 15g per day but split in 3doses of 5g.
like once per week i might take another dose of 5g on top of that.

But its starting to feel not worth it, I still feel great on it.
But i feel like a junkie every morning before i get my fix of kratom.

 

[Pinkbeam]

It sounds like you have become dependent on it. If your worried about it, try taking a break from it. Force yourself to start getting up in the morning without it.

I understand how you feel. I cant get my day started either unless I have something; dope, kratom, caffeine pills. I cant tell you the last time I woke up and faced the day 100% sober.

 

[Bitchniggaz]

I knew i was going to get there when i started doing it daily.
Atm its worth it though, i dont do any other drugs atm and I helps me be productive in school and training.
I kicked a heavy ket habit so if it keeps me away from that its a neccesary evil i guess.
I will stock up so i have a few pounds at home and will try to tape off when my school break comes.

 

[Anonymous Dissident]

A pseudoephedrine (30mg) and Starbucks Triple shot energy drink goes a long way towards mitigating kratom sedation. Otherwise, white dragon or white elephant are very good, stimulating kratom strains for morning and midday use. Avoid them within about 6 hours of when you plan to sleep though.

 

[Gaffy]

I rest while using lol, automatic pilot brain attachment seems to work a bit better
Then there are the dreams, but I wouldn't call them such as as there is pain and pleasues in thm

 

[GetMeOutOfThisCRAP]

It's the same with all opiates--in the beginning you seem to have more energy than ever before (unless you nod out all the time even on low doses). Some people nod out constantly.. others do not nod out whatsoever. You're like--"lol I guess I'll just never be sober again!" However--in time it steals your energy as with oxycodone/heroin/morphine/etcetera fun time candy. All you can do is maintain healthy doses of water throughout the day and exercise a bit. If you don't exercise at all this can be good incentive to start Not only does it make one more appealing to the opposite sex (or same sex/whatever gender/non-binary toaster oven cuz 2020 be a strange social time), but it also improves mental health and makes you less susceptible to the negative effects of substances. But this is a lame hippy vegan-esque response so..... I have other forms of input!

If you don't want to do that (because who likes running on a wheel like a hamster) it's a brilliant plan to take some time to reset your tolerance. I do this by tapering down for a while and in a manner that I do not feel sickness or depression. The slower you taper down the higher the chance is of not feeling any withdrawal whatsoever. Furthermore, if you don't have the patience for that drop to a substantially lower dose but not one that makes you suffer or dysfunctional (do not cold turkey it you will be destroyed by the air around you ). The whole purpose of the lower doses is to make your body readjust to less kratom dependency which in turn makes the beneficial effects of opiates and one's natural energy levels to return Your energy will return again should you find a way to make your body more sensitive to kratom again. I'd say it takes me about 3 weeks of lower doses to make the magic come back for a little bit! With kratom you can taper down more easily than real opiates and avoid depression in my experience. When you taper down off oxycodone or suboxone you feel the depression hitting you hard and even with 5 milligrams. Your body absolutely senses that something is off.

*NOT HR. I lower my tolerance via suboxone once in a blue moon. In theory and on paper this would make one's tolerance to kratom sky high--but it doesn't personally and I swear by it. Every time I use suboxone for a week or so kratom floors me once I am able to feel it again in 3-4 days. There must be highly unique alkloids in the kratom plant that other opiates do not substitute and cannot do so. Kratom is it's own beast even though it's related to the opies.

Personally, I like my adderall with kratom. Or my kratom with adderall?

 

[FuckinAcidMan]

I quit taking kratom because I felt it was stealing my life force. As well as flattening my mood and scrambling my thought patterns. This wasn't the case at all at first, but these symptoms grew progressively worse.

So I just stopped.

Was a great decision after just about three year's worth of daily use.

Post acute withdrawal in terms of moodiness and low energy was wild, long lasting and weirdly ever pervasive in an insidious sort of way.

I haven't taken any kratom since early last November so I'm coming up on a year of abstinence from kratom.

 

[falsifiedhypothesi]

It only gets worse. I've been taking 15-40g per day of kratom for about 3 years now and it no longer gives me benefits of any kind at any dose. I recommend tapering down and stopping, if not permanently then at least for a good long while.

 

[headfuck123]

In the past ive used very low doses of bupe for a few days to hold off WD symptoms and to rid the body of kratom alks, in an attempt to fast forward the tapering process. This is quite a risky approach due to the chances of developing a habbit with the bupe. Ive also use phenibut or benzos in this way but they also carry addiction risks.

Slow tapering or the above methods have helped me get off kratom many times over the past 5 years or so.

 

[Bitchniggaz]

Thanks for THE replies, im still on and feel about the same.
I dont really feel better or worse since i made the thread.
Still do around the same dose with similar effects.
Probably cause i vary strains daily, att most i had 20different types of kratom at home from 3 vendors.
Even though it has the same name i feel that kratom from different vendors are very different.

Planning to taper off my use after this semester of school is done.
Hopefully i can maintain my training somewhat after i stop.
However i plan to take the first week off anything i need when going off.
Probably im going camping with My girlfriend and a epic stash of psychedelics when i do.
A week of mushrooms/san Pedro and lsd should help me focus on something else then the wd.
Of course i will go off slowly, so maybe cut out 10% of My dose per week untill im down to under 5g per Day.

 

[Jabberwocky]

When I used to eat 30 grams a day (morning and afternoon) the withdrawals were quite bad if I missed my morning dose. Major fatigue, runny nose and body aches/RLS. Bad enough I couldn't function at work.

Now that I never use more than 14g/day and only dose in the morning I do not experience fatigue, the withdrawal is minimal and don't even notice it for at least 36 hours.

6' 175lbs male

Just my experience.

I feel like kratom has a very steep dose/dependence curve.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I finally did the math, and I'm taking way less than I thought I was, I also won't take any for a week if I'm doing dope, how slow of a taper do yall think? 1/2 gram a day?

 

[burn out]

I took kratom daily for 3 or 4 years, don't remember experiencing much fatigue from it. It did stop working after a while though and had other negative effects which is why I stopped.

If you want to taper kratom, the amount you cut should get smaller over time. For example if youre taking 16 grams a day, you could probably cut down to 8 grams a day in just 3 or 4 days pretty easily but getting off that last 8 grams isn't going to be as easy. The way I actually recommend tapering, at least at the start is to simply cut your normal dose in half, like for instance if you normally take 8 grams take 4 and go about your business. When you start feeling withdrawal, you can take another dose, but only 4 grams again. At first you won't be able to go as long between doses as you could when you were taking 8 grams but very soon you will be able to. Again, the first part of the taper is real easy.

For the last part, I recommend getting your hands on a couple tylenol with codeine pills. Take one of those the first couple of nights without kratom and it will make the jump really easy. All you have to worry after that is PAWS.

 

[xivixive]

i take 10 gram doses at least 6 or 7 times a day.. dependance on this stuff really sucks... been doing this almost 3 years now...

hey GMOOTC - how slow do you taper? using gaba/lyrica I've managed to use 6 gram doses, but still at least 7 times a day... this lasted at the longest 2 months for me then i hit that fuck it button and went back up.

i feel like if i had some K i could get of it no problem... and have no problem never looking back - i really hate the shit now.

i have an almost infinite amount of 300mcg belbuca films, but am weary of precipitated wd... never tried to use them... any advice on how to proceed there?

 

[AutoTripper]

I quit taking kratom because I felt it was stealing my life force. As well as flattening my mood and scrambling my thought patterns. This wasn't the case at all at first, but these symptoms grew progressively worse.

Just for the record, in stark contrast, Kava exhibits none of these typical problems, side effects, patterns. It’s actually reportedly very healthy for the balance of our neurochemistry and mood without a nasty comedown, karmic effects to pay for at any point down the line.

As well as being entirely non physically addictive, zero withdrawals, this is a key area where kava differs from, and is much cleaner in a sense, than Kratom.

I did enjoy Kratom. Just too allergic to it though. I tried kava very shortly after I accepted Kratom use would kill me within 2 months max.

Kanna extract I also tried and I liked it a lot. More stimulative like Kratom, very long peaking too. Combines very well with cannabis. Is anxiolytic but very clear headed too.

 

[FuckinAcidMan]

Just for the record, in stark contrast, Kava exhibits none of these typical problems, side effects, patterns. It’s actually reportedly very healthy for the balance of our neurochemistry and mood without a nasty comedown, karmic effects to pay for at any point down the line.

As well as being entirely non physically addictive, zero withdrawals, this is a key area where kava differs from, and is much cleaner in a sense, than Kratom.

I did enjoy Kratom. Just too allergic to it though. I tried kava very shortly after I accepted Kratom use would kill me within 2 months max.

Kanna extract I also tried and I liked it a lot. More stimulative like Kratom, very long peaking too. Combines very well with cannabis. Is anxiolytic but very clear headed too.

Bruh how you been lol

 

[tubgirl.jpg]

When i started using kratom daily, it mostly as a energy boost during the afternoon to help me get through my daily routine.
I work out alot, lift weights, martial arts and daily stretching.
So i would estimate i spend about 2hours per day being a narcistic douche while turning my attention to my own body.

The first months kratom had only benefits since it helped me focus doing Maybe boring stretches and things i need but dont really enjoy.


Now its been around 4months of daily use and I litterally cant wake up before my morning dose of a white or green strain.
I try to be smart so i usually order every strain a vendor has and rotate daily.
White/green early and red ones later in the day.
Ive kept my does to 15g per day but split in 3doses of 5g.
like once per week i might take another dose of 5g on top of that.

But its starting to feel not worth it, I still feel great on it.
But i feel like a junkie every morning before i get my fix of kratom.

How's your diet? Most people who do opiates, even weaker ones such as Kratom, neglect eating.
I know I did when I was on Kratom.

 

[AutoTripper]

Bruh how you been lol

Hi mate. Well messy. Still major post viral,fatigue syndrome from 6 week flu, followed by at least 4 viruses all worse than COVID, messed up my guts and digestion, no metabolism or absorption, diverticulitis inflamed and mega irritable bowels.

That shit alone zaps your energy, can never sleep restfully due to guts not working and bowel irritation and gas.

Then 110.5 trips in 40 days, overlapping with flu and post fatigue, not wise behaviour. Major resultant energy crash when I finally stopped. I knew it would come, hence it was easier to keep tripping postponing it.

Doing pretty damn well treating my respiratory infections currently with better system of electromedicine. For a week now I’ve kept infection level lower than for a long time, less time and effort required.

Just gotta recover from severe nervous and physical exhaustion and fatigue.

Need a few specialised treatments soon, when available. Chiropractic as my whole body is structurally out, and that alone drains your energy and stops bowel motility.

Some acupuncture would really kick start my engine again.

And a course of prescribed vibrational homeopathy to reboot my metabolism, absorption, treat the diverticulitis and balance mental states, nervous exhaustion etc.

It’s like an M.O.T at the garage. They check everything out, do exactly the repair work needed.

So just gotta hang in there see what opportunities the year can bring if travel is allowed again and my specialised practitioners re-open.

Mentally, true rock bottom. Life is hard and depressing at best, post LSD abuse depression heavily linked to insufferable physical conditions is hard at present.

Just hanging in, but such dim world atm. Stuck home with mum alone, she’s really poorly and she’s really lost the plot mentally and emotionally.

But she’s no awareness of it. I’m struggling to the point I would rather just stay in bed until I’m no more, it’s such an ordeal every day facing my allergies, not sleeping, always starving but food just makes a mess of my guts and gives little in return besides discomfort and digestive toxins.

Just been taking tons of kava, weed and Etiz to stay calm and comfortable each day, but really maxing out on all of those.

So lots of shit to sort out. There’s every hope for grand change but not in the current climate. Also trying to access some basic, primordial mental health therapy just as an outlet, save overstewing everything in my head all the time.

I had a fantastic 2.5 hour appointment with a very clever psychologist dude, for him to relay back to the team to decide how they can help. I communicated perfectly, got such a clear, comprehensive and incisive picture of things across.

That was nearly 4 weeks ago no contact since. And they knew I was beyond my witts end even then. Truth is, I’m sure they just won’t know what to do with me.

They like to think, these govt trained mental health specialists, they can fix you with novel, special techniques. I’m not asking for any special treatment, just some basic counselling and a chance to discuss my problematic drug addictions, air it out, make some goals, just a little support and talk therapy.

They try to over complicate it though.

Still I hang on. I’m tough as hell really. I’ll basically survive until I no longer can, but hope to pick up radically.

Hope you have doing good yourself @fuckingacidman and thanks for asking mate, sorry not wanting to put you on a downer, you know me though, just straight off the cuff always. Take care mate. And don’t play with fire (too much lol), they always said...Acid Burns.

 

[Bitchniggaz]

How's your diet? Most people who do opiates, even weaker ones such as Kratom, neglect eating.
I know I did when I was on Kratom.

Its decent, since i train basicly every day i pound food like its a job.
I work in fitness/health world so ive been studying diet for over 15years.

I could def eat better, but its good enough to Keep me healthy and recovering from all my training.

Im also blasting and cruising testosterone which helps with appetite and basicly everything that i would ask for.

Ps: kratom+testosterone is like a miracle sex booster.
The test makes me horny 24/7 and the kratom makes it hard to shoot my load.
So it makes for many long drawn out sessions with my better half.

 

[Dannybou84]

I went for months trying different Kratom strains, (red, green, white, gold vein) I found some times the white would act like an upper and it was like i had drank 3 cups of coffee (mind you it is from the same family of plants as the coffee bean plant)
I found that the red was the strongest and would make me feel fatigued, white didn't do much but keep me over stimulated. So I found green in between and have been using for a few months.

I have been using Kratom since last June to get off Opium but i enjoyed the benefits of it so much, i was able to also stop my alcoholism with it. And i havent drank since last October. (16 yrs of drinking prior) I am also more productive at work as i dont deal with depression or anxiety as much now.

My diverticulitis is normalized now because of the fiber the plant power offers. I sleep alot better.
The trick with Kratom is to not eat a large meal right after drinking it because your body will slow right down and the mass fatigue kicks in. Kratom is filling enough as its fibrous and best to eat small meals after and not processed foods. I find its much better if i eat raw fruits and veggies. Processed food will make you sleep.

I am in the process of slowly coming off it. Which i have for short periods before and the withdrawal is a breeze compared to Opium or pain killers