Daily Mail - 'Suicide websites' blamed for rise in drug-related deaths

[sekio]

Any non-carbondioxide, non-oxygen gas will work just great for killing yourself. The caveat of course being that nobody fills party baloons with nitrogen, because it's not floaty.

 

[cj]

^^
You can buy the small nitrous chargers at head shops where I live. Might not be practical for killing yourself though

 

[THC2LSD]

I remember seeing these suicide groups years ago and the the Darvon cocktail seemed to be the number 1 recommended way to get the job done.

Propoxyphene products in excessive doses, either alone or in combination with other CNS depressants, including alcohol, are a major cause of drug-related deaths. Fatalities within the first hour of overdosage are not uncommon. In a survey of deaths due to overdosage conducted in 1975, in approximately 20% of the fatal cases, death occurred within the first hour (5% occurred within 15 minutes).

Darvocet-n(the most common form) is very slowly absorbed so it won't be as quick as the original Darvon. I can see why it's recommended.

Does Helium affect any receptor, or does it mechanically suffocate a person?

Does it not have xenon-like anaesthetic activity?

IIRC a lot of noble gases are anesthetics under pressure. I think after xenon argon under pressure is the most potent, followed by nitrogen. Scuba divers can actually get high going deep under high pressure from the nitrogen or argon in the tanks. Nitrous oxide will produce general anesthesia(like ether) under pressure at the equivalent of 105%. IME helium does something besides simply asphyxiation like the choking game. Forgot what pressure it has to be for general anesthesia, if it can.

I would rather use nitrous then helium.

QFT

If i wanted to end this shit i would cook up a gram of that straight up raw afghan which we love to hate and then just say "See ya never motherfucker".

I've thought the same thing.

I see alot of tourists looking for phenobarbital in the pharms around here though.

Phenobarbital is one of the least toxic barbs. Probably why it and fiorinal are the only ones used outside a hospital. It has a very slow onset, not good for a painless death.

Pure nitrogen gasnitrous oxide is supposed to be the best way to kill yourself.

Fixed.

You can buy the small nitrous chargers at head shops where I live. Might not be practical for killing yourself though

Might not be the most practical, but some have managed.

 

[nativenick]

drug is such a funny word and so subjective. water could be a drug if you want it to be.

 

[Chesh]

actually yeah fuck it a big tank of nos would be the best way to kill yourself

you'd just go from giggling, to tripping, to passing out to being dead. and you don't realise you're asphyxiating because of it either.

 

[Newbierock]

damn this was a dark thread to read through. never knew helium was a go to suicide drug.

 

[xxxyyy]

nitrogen is called stickstoff in german (which means more of less something to suffocate on) so yeah.

 

[paranoid android]

Darvocet-n(the most common form) is very slowly absorbed so it won't be as quick as the original Darvon. I can see why it's recommended.Phenobarbital is one of the least toxic barbs. Probably why it and fiorinal are the only ones used outside a hospital. It has a very slow onset, not good for a painless death.Fixed.Might not be the most practical, but some have managed.

Well you could still get Darvon in it's original form propoxyphene hydrochloridine up until all products containing propoxyphene aka dextropropoxyphene where pulled from the market. It was very very rare in Canada as opposed to Darvon -N (propoxyphene Napsylate) which acts much slower. Granted even Darvon -N was very very hard to get and only one quack here actually prescribed it and his reasoning for this was that it was less addictive and less dangerous then codeine! This guy was a complete quack in all regards and anyone would know that codeine is very safe (unless your unlucky enough to be allergic to it) as it takes a fuck of alot to kill you and has very little potential for addiction. Darvon could kill a person within a hour which puts it up there with Nembutal (pentobarbital) in terms of how fast a drug in pill form can kill you. Granted Darvon - N would certainly kill a person as well and after taking only 2 goddamn pills which is 200mg's of dextropropoxyphene i certainly felt like i was dying! It did nothing for my pain at all (seriously acetaminophen would have worked better and it has about the same analgesic effects as Darvon or more) and caused projectile vomiting that lasted all night and i felt sick into the next day ffs. Not to mention how weird it made me feel. It didn't feel anything like a opioid at all and i would rather tramadol then that crap even though i don't like tramadol either.

As for Phenobarbital don't let it's rep as a weak barbiturate fool you. It is very lethal if taken in large quantities or with alcohol or other CNS depressants. A guy that i sort of knew decided to try and kill himself with phenobarbital and he almost succeeded but thank fuck a room mate came in and found him. The paramedics said that another half hour and he would have been dead. Granted from what Ive heard it's only a matter of time before he does it again since he is still miserable

 

[THC2LSD]

ranted Darvon - N would certainly kill a person as well and after taking only 2 goddamn pills which is 200mg's of dextropropoxyphene i certainly felt like i was dying! It did nothing for my pain at all (seriously acetaminophen would have worked better and it has about the same analgesic effects as Darvon or more)

Davon-n is still toxic, just won't usually take 15 minutes like Darvon. I think some deaths were at somewhat above therapeutic dose, because the metabolite norpropoxyphene is more toxic and very long-lived, so it can build up. This is made even worse since propoxyphene is weaker then aspirin as a painkiller.

As for Phenobarbital don't let it's rep as a weak barbiturate fool you. It is very lethal if taken in large quantities or with alcohol or other CNS depressants. A guy that i sort of knew decided to try and kill himself with phenobarbital and he almost succeeded but thank fuck a room mate came in and found him. The paramedics said that another half hour and he would have been dead.

Yeah, phenobarbital is still toxic shit. Hell even with a slow onset, the long half-life might make it more likely to "succeed". Although if this guy took a fast-acting barb he'd probably be dead.

Ironically, one of the more popular drugs for suicide are tricyclic anti-depressants. When there was a bunch of bad news stories about real sedatives, many doctors switched to tricyclics for insomnia and anxiety. The reasoning was that many insomniacs are depressed, maybe even a primary cause of insomnia. So by prescribing a sedating antidepressant they would kill two birds with one stone. Unfortunately the birds weren't the only thing killed. Many are just as toxic as barbs. So tricyclics became the #1 suicide drug during some years. Really that's the only big breakthrough that Prozac had over older anti-depressants, less lethal in an OD.

 

[Flynnal]

Agree with phenobarbital. VERY toxic. Not as toxic as pentobarbital, sure, but if you take say 25 grams you WILL die.