Daily experimentation with psilocybin

[Psycho.nova]

Ok. for some time now i have needed the independence and resources to follow through with this. so in the meantime i'm asking any and everyone if they have ever treated psilocin or psilocybin in a supplemental fashion. not for their nutritional values, well, not metabolically at least, but for elevation value. and how it can relieve and reform attitude.

also, does one develop a tolerance of psilocybin? perhaps this compound was used 'heroically' for a reason in primitive cultures, or perhaps not; being as accessible as it probably was in the places that it was, was probably part of daily diets.

i know that ayahuasca is a daily occurrence in some amazonian shamanistic tribes and clans along with strict diets of plantains and fish. i'm interested in integrating this same tradition in the modern world of concrete jungle but with psilocin. Has anyone done this?

 

[cryptix420]

These substances are to be treated with the utmost respect.

Edit: (since the mods felt it necessary to needlessly change my original post)

Hey, never knows best, I gotta say, you definitely stay true to your name. How is me calling daily usage of psilocybin drug addiction 'not really appropriate'? Are you kidding me?

Or is this really about your own struggles with addiction? It would seem so.

Also, while you we're at it, why not edit the guys post below me also referring to this kind of usage as drug addiction? This stinks of a personal vendetta.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Someone else tried this recently I think, I dunno, it happens every so often. I don't think much has come of it.

does one develop a tolerance of psilocybin

Rapidly, to proper psychedelia at least...but that wouldn't be the goal with this sorta of experiment.

 

[xx001]

Tolerance to pretty much all psychedelics, perhaps excluding dmt, develops rapidly and can last anywhere from 3 days to over a week. If you started using psilocin on a daily basis, you would develop a very high tolerance halfway through the first week. Psychedelics are not meant to be a daily-use drug. Anything more than weekly is wasteful.

 

[Psycho.nova]

These substances are to be treated with the utmost respect.

you had to have misread my tone then for it. treating it respectfully on a daily basis is just as easy as respecting it once or twice a month. i wouldn't be chomping shrooms down like clockwork every morning for a buzz before work.

 

[Psycho.nova]

Drug addiction are very injurious for health and it has a lot of side effects and cause many serious problems and diseases. i know that Athabasca is a daily occurrence in some amazonian shamanistic tribes and clans along with strict diets of plantains and fish.What you think about it ,

I think they're on to something.

 

[Ismene]

also, does one develop a tolerance of psilocybin?

Yes, very rapidly.

i know that ayahuasca is a daily occurrence in some amazonian shamanistic tribes and clans along with strict diets of plantains and fish.

I'm not sure it's used daily by tribes - it might be used by the shaman when he's "instructing" westerners and needs to get through 40 clients a month to keep his wages up. Daily use wouldn't have any psychedelic effect so it would probably be used for making them vomit and shit to try and get rid of the intestinal worms that they suffer terribly from.

 

[Psycho.nova]

Yes, very rapidly.

i know that ayahuasca is a daily occurrence in some amazonian shamanistic tribes and clans along with strict diets of plantains and fish.

I'm not sure it's used daily by tribes - it might be used by the shaman when he's "instructing" westerners and needs to get through 40 clients a month to keep his wages up. Daily use wouldn't have any psychedelic effect so it would probably be used for making them vomit and shit to try and get rid of the intestinal worms that they suffer
terribly from.

well i'm not looking to become 'immune' to the effects of psilocybin whatsoever. but ayahuasca and the subtle dmt compounds in psilocin are two very different things. i've heard some shamans when going through rigorous "ordeals" in order to feel they have proven their position go through very limited diets and very limited human contact and very large amounts of ayahuasca out isolated in the jungle, eventually achieving the intuition of the "plants" and knowing by "faith" or instinct what combination of roots and stems or extracts treat what conditions in the human body and mind.

but you're right. i don't think psilocin is the same relationship

 

[FlawedByDesign]

Starting christmas day of 2012 I ate 3.5-7 grams 5 days a week, consuming between a quarter and half pound in total. While I did build up some tolerance I still felt the basic effects each time(bright colors, euphoria, ect). I'm sure i would have had a much better time keeping it to one trip a week but I was paranoid and just wanted to be rid of them. The only long term effect Ive noticed is the reversal of my tolerance to MJ. I was a daily smoker for 6 years before this happened and now a fraction of a hit of good quality bud gets me way too high and causes me to freak out.

 

[stillmind]

I'm not certain and don't have time at the moment to provide a source, but I believe the inspiration for Delgado's pioneering 2006 study on psilocybin for OCD was a guy who self-administered mushrooms daily for 6 months or so. If memory serves, he habituated to the effects rapidly, but the remission of his OCD symptoms persisted throughout the duration of his experiment and indeed long after.

 

[bluedolphin]

Mushrooms build rapid tolerance as a mechanism to prevent abuse.

Can you eat it every day for months and still feel it? Yes, but at what cost. You are really going to start eating 5 grams of shrooms at some point just to catch a minor buzz?

I would suggest coffee instead.

 

[Jesusgreen]

Just my 2c.. It seems a waste to me personally. I've tried the whole "wedging the doors open with a stick" approach of tripping all the time, and while it works to some extent and those benefits do last while you're taking the substances, I always felt like it was wedging ONE door open, when psychedelics have thousands of doors they can lead us to. Tripping with this kind of frequency in a way just returns you to the same message, the same trip, over and over, and adds nothing new, just keeps reminding you of the last message you received.

While this had its own minor benefits it was much more useful for me to learn how to properly integrate a trip. This way I trip on a substance once, and the things I learn from that trip can stay with me for a lifetime, the benefits I gained remain, and the door stays open. Then when I take another trip, it's no longer the same message, but something new, useful, fresh, and just as magical as any of my first few experiences before I'd developed a feel for psychedelics.

In my experience the psychedelic experience is more about what you do with the experience and the lessons you've learned after the drugs wear off than what happens during the experience itself.

To put it into perspective with an example, I took many repeated trips every 3-4 days for almost half a year trying to keep the new healthy attitudes that psychedelics had opened up in me. I never gave myself time to integrate each experience and just dived back in again after a few days each time returning to the same place, sure I still felt more alive and had a nicer attitude to life, but the experiences quickly began to lose their meaning and magic, and began to diminish - and the root goal I was looking for, a permanently altered outlook, filled with positivity and happiness, and no anxiety.. it just wasn't there.

The 29th of December 2011 I took a trip with my friend, and spent the trip actively seeking out these benefits I'd previously been looking for. The entire trip we discussed what I wanted to achieve, but also how I could actively go ahead and achieve it. After the trip I spent weeks integrating the lessons of the trip into my life, and months more putting them fully into action. Now things have changed, I'm free of my anxiety, I feel positive and happy about my life, and that door that I opened over a year ago? It's still propped nicely open, and I haven't needed to take the substance again in that time to keep it that way.

If you're looking for long lasting benefits from psychedelics, you'll gain much more from learning how to fully integrate your trips and how to make your trips more productive and useful. They can take you to water but they can't make you drink

 

[TryptamineBunny]

^^^ This

 

[webbykevin]

Just my 2c.. It seems a waste to me personally. I've tried the whole "wedging the doors open with a stick" approach of tripping all the time, and while it works to some extent and those benefits do last while you're taking the substances, I always felt like it was wedging ONE door open, when psychedelics have thousands of doors they can lead us to. Tripping with this kind of frequency in a way just returns you to the same message, the same trip, over and over, and adds nothing new, just keeps reminding you of the last message you received.

While this had its own minor benefits it was much more useful for me to learn how to properly integrate a trip. This way I trip on a substance once, and the things I learn from that trip can stay with me for a lifetime, the benefits I gained remain, and the door stays open. Then when I take another trip, it's no longer the same message, but something new, useful, fresh, and just as magical as any of my first few experiences before I'd developed a feel for psychedelics.

In my experience the psychedelic experience is more about what you do with the experience and the lessons you've learned after the drugs wear off than what happens during the experience itself.

To put it into perspective with an example, I took many repeated trips every 3-4 days for almost half a year trying to keep the new healthy attitudes that psychedelics had opened up in me. I never gave myself time to integrate each experience and just dived back in again after a few days each time returning to the same place, sure I still felt more alive and had a nicer attitude to life, but the experiences quickly began to lose their meaning and magic, and began to diminish - and the root goal I was looking for, a permanently altered outlook, filled with positivity and happiness, and no anxiety.. it just wasn't there.

The 29th of December 2011 I took a trip with my friend, and spent the trip actively seeking out these benefits I'd previously been looking for. The entire trip we discussed what I wanted to achieve, but also how I could actively go ahead and achieve it. After the trip I spent weeks integrating the lessons of the trip into my life, and months more putting them fully into action. Now things have changed, I'm free of my anxiety, I feel positive and happy about my life, and that door that I opened over a year ago? It's still propped nicely open, and I haven't needed to take the substance again in that time to keep it that way.

If you're looking for long lasting benefits from psychedelics, you'll gain much more from learning how to fully integrate your trips and how to make your trips more productive and useful. They can take you to water but they can't make you drink

Great post, agree completely.

 

[Ismene]

i've heard some shamans when going through rigorous "ordeals" in order to feel they have proven their position go through very limited diets and very limited human contact and very large amounts of ayahuasca out isolated in the jungle, eventually achieving the intuition of the "plants" and knowing by "faith" or instinct what combination of roots and stems or extracts treat what conditions in the human body and mind.

True but I suppose it's how much you believe the shamans - perhaps it's in their interests to say "I was out there tripping for 40 days" - perhaps how they get more respect and chimp meat from the tribe or more western clients when they're running their "Trip with a native for just $1000" program.

 

[Psycho.nova]

Just my 2c.. It seems a waste to me personally. I've tried the whole "wedging the doors open with a stick" approach of tripping all the time, and while it works to some extent and those benefits do last while you're taking the substances, I always felt like it was wedging ONE door open, when psychedelics have thousands of doors they can lead us to. Tripping with this kind of frequency in a way just returns you to the same message, the same trip, over and over, and adds nothing new, just keeps reminding you of the last message you received.

While this had its own minor benefits it was much more useful for me to learn how to properly integrate a trip. This way I trip on a substance once, and the things I learn from that trip can stay with me for a lifetime, the benefits I gained remain, and the door stays open. Then when I take another trip, it's no longer the same message, but something new, useful, fresh, and just as magical as any of my first few experiences before I'd developed a feel for psychedelics.

In my experience the psychedelic experience is more about what you do with the experience and the lessons you've learned after the drugs wear off than what happens during the experience itself.

To put it into perspective with an example, I took many repeated trips every 3-4 days for almost half a year trying to keep the new healthy attitudes that psychedelics had opened up in me. I never gave myself time to integrate each experience and just dived back in again after a few days each time returning to the same place, sure I still felt more alive and had a nicer attitude to life, but the experiences quickly began to lose their meaning and magic, and began to diminish - and the root goal I was looking for, a permanently altered outlook, filled with positivity and happiness, and no anxiety.. it just wasn't there.

The 29th of December 2011 I took a trip with my friend, and spent the trip actively seeking out these benefits I'd previously been looking for. The entire trip we discussed what I wanted to achieve, but also how I could actively go ahead and achieve it. After the trip I spent weeks integrating the lessons of the trip into my life, and months more putting them fully into action. Now things have changed, I'm free of my anxiety, I feel positive and happy about my life, and that door that I opened over a year ago? It's still propped nicely open, and I haven't needed to take the substance again in that time to keep it that way.

If you're looking for long lasting benefits from psychedelics, you'll gain much more from learning how to fully integrate your trips and how to make your trips more productive and useful. They can take you to water but they can't make you drink

All of this thank u. It really struck center with my motivations for even wanting to go about with this. It is more important to learn the value of integration, and not flood oneself with the attitudes of the mushroom or what have you. I agree with u sir. and will take all of this in mind. Thank u

 

[Psycho.nova]

True but I suppose it's how much you believe the shamans - perhaps it's in their interests to say "I was out there tripping for 40 days" - perhaps how they get more respect and chimp meat from the tribe or more western clients when they're running their "Trip with a native for just $1000" program.

They gotta do what they can do. Being in the amazon, it's what they can do. and they maximize what they're doing. Being in the states....... Well, 1 has angles, so many angles to sort through and choose what is theirs. I guess i'm just a sucker for the tarzan life

 

[[éS]Infinite]

Integration is key!
When I was first introduced to psilocybes, the experience was so incredibly novel and fascinating that all the research I had performed months prior could not have prepared me for what was to be my entrance into one of endless psychedelic states of mind. I found myself so intrigued by these fungi that some months later I had assessed what properties they might have if ingested in small (0.5 g) doses daily in the morning, hypothesizing that they may hold some nootropic or creativity-enhancing potential. For the first few days I would notice the slightest colour enhancement and mood elevation during the day, but by day three (and late afternoon of days 1 and 2) I would be back to normal. I could have increased the dose but I figured at that point that I would be better off eating 3.5 g a few times a year.
I have also tried tripping on a weekly basis, and found that to be insufficient time to really be comfortable to jump back in; the experiences were still enjoyable but not incredible. My personal comfort zone currently lays in experimenting every 4-8 months, and I anticipate this is where it will remain.

 

[Ismene]

They gotta do what they can do. Being in the amazon, it's what they can do. and they maximize what they're doing. Being in the states....... Well, 1 has angles, so many angles to sort through and choose what is theirs. I guess i'm just a sucker for the tarzan life

True, but bear in mind a shaman in the amazon might be taking ayahuasca 40 days in a row because he's got a terrible case of intestinal worms and ayahuasca is the best thing for making him vomit and shit.

He might not be having some wonderful enlightening trip, he might just be squatting over the river screaming blue murder with a foot long worm hanging out of his anus.

 

[Crashing]

LOL. Maybe ayahuasca would act similarly to an SSRI if taken 40 days in a row. Then again, who has ever been crazy enough to try?