i don't plan on getting hooked on heroin. but i do believe if someone wanted to quit, ibogaine would help them in the right direction. it is sad that it is illegal and very expensive. it has been a wonder drug for those who wanted to be better, and have the cash.
Dabbling with heroin
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Mr.Scagnattie
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Like everything else, it's helped some people and it hasn't. I've seen a few documentaries on it where some of the people stayed clean, others relapsed and went back to their drug of choice in just a few months. There is no magical cure.
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Even if it helped 50% of the people that would otherwise be opiate addicts i think its worth a try. When people have got better in 3-5 days with very little withdraw symptoms id say that's a miracle drug. Ibogaine isn't for everyone but then again neither is heroin
XThexXTank
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What is ibogaine?
Psychonauticunt
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A psychedelic which can reportedly be used to abruptly and immediately end addiction to hard drugs such as heroin and cocaine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibogaine
Dabbling with hydros is bad enough, dabbling with strong opiates especially one as euphoric and (initially) as cheap as dope is an awful idea. You could possibly pay the same price for a bundle as you would for 80 of hydro or an OC 40. Dabbling with dope is asking for addiction especially when an opiate niave, how do i know? Becauae this is exactly what i did.
Mr.Scagnattie
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Yeah, it's definitely worth a try and something I might even consider in the future, but to me personally, it has been overhyped in the opiate addict community. If it really is the saving grace some people make it out to be, then I hope sometime in the future it becomes more readily available and not as expensive. But, it has been around a while already.
I appreciate all the advice, I knew I came to the right place. I grew somewhat disillusioned with the idea of shooting up some H recently. Partly out of frustration of trying to find it, but mainly because I found something else to mess around with in my spare time: acid and ket.
I still want to give opiates a go however, and that's not something I can be talked out of. I'll try it sooner or later, so for the time being I'm more concerned with harm reduction (I'm now aware that IVing for the first time isn't such a great idea, for example). Someone mentioned percocet earlier, what is it and what's the preferable ROA?
I still want to give opiates a go however, and that's not something I can be talked out of. I'll try it sooner or later, so for the time being I'm more concerned with harm reduction (I'm now aware that IVing for the first time isn't such a great idea, for example). Someone mentioned percocet earlier, what is it and what's the preferable ROA?
http://www.drugusers.cc/cd/creative/2004/12/08/45
That's if you read Russian, of course. I'm planning on translating some of the stories in the near future, though.
No one plans to get addicted to heroin but a lot of them end up addicted to heroin,it's very easily done.
Seyer
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Very easily and unnoticed.
Obiez
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Heroin addiction started like this for me:
I was 14, i had some experience with tramadol so I was dead set on trying it, IV, once in my life and never again. I succeeded. I didn't touch the stuff for 8 years.
I started using it recreationally, once every 3-4 months. The gang I was hanging with were all doing it more frequently but no one was addicted, yet. One by one they all fell.
What isn't explained to people who want to dabble with heroin is this:
The first time you try it, your brain is already making way for the synapses to get addicted to the stuff. People argue that you are not addicted until you notice WD, in my experience that is not the case. You can be addicted t5o a substance without having any physical symptoms. So i got comfortable, I was managing to do it 3 times a year tops, which turned into once a month, which turned into 2 grams a day. I know one guy who tried heroin once and never did it again. Said he loved it, but he would never do it again.That wa my attitude for 8 years! 8 YEARS! The people most prone to addiction are the idiots |(like myself) who dabble with it and think they have god by the balls because they can control it. But, you don't notice how you believe to be more and more indestructablle...this addiction shit doesn't work for me. And you don't have to use it daily to become addicted to it. I didn't understand what was happening to me by the time I was craving it but only doing it once per week. I wasn't physically in any discomfort, but mentally, if I didn't do it that friday, I would be like...man...i'll make up for it next weekend, no biggie - which, if you ask me, is the beginning stage of addiction.
You don't dabble with heroin, heroin dabbles with you.
I was 14, i had some experience with tramadol so I was dead set on trying it, IV, once in my life and never again. I succeeded. I didn't touch the stuff for 8 years.
I started using it recreationally, once every 3-4 months. The gang I was hanging with were all doing it more frequently but no one was addicted, yet. One by one they all fell.
What isn't explained to people who want to dabble with heroin is this:
The first time you try it, your brain is already making way for the synapses to get addicted to the stuff. People argue that you are not addicted until you notice WD, in my experience that is not the case. You can be addicted t5o a substance without having any physical symptoms. So i got comfortable, I was managing to do it 3 times a year tops, which turned into once a month, which turned into 2 grams a day. I know one guy who tried heroin once and never did it again. Said he loved it, but he would never do it again.That wa my attitude for 8 years! 8 YEARS! The people most prone to addiction are the idiots |(like myself) who dabble with it and think they have god by the balls because they can control it. But, you don't notice how you believe to be more and more indestructablle...this addiction shit doesn't work for me. And you don't have to use it daily to become addicted to it. I didn't understand what was happening to me by the time I was craving it but only doing it once per week. I wasn't physically in any discomfort, but mentally, if I didn't do it that friday, I would be like...man...i'll make up for it next weekend, no biggie - which, if you ask me, is the beginning stage of addiction.
You don't dabble with heroin, heroin dabbles with you.
Ondine
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The best possible thing you can do is make a real effort to understand how dire the risks really are. If you think you can actually understand them, and still want to fool around, then dabble away.
The problem is that even with the wealth of information available on a site like this, along with all of the first hand accounts, some people still won't comprehend what they're getting into, even if they believe they do.
It requires a different brand of thinking than what most people use on an everyday basis, but I do believe that it's possible for a non-user to understand and not morally wrong or 'fucked up' for them to still want to make that first leap.
The problem is that even with the wealth of information available on a site like this, along with all of the first hand accounts, some people still won't comprehend what they're getting into, even if they believe they do.
It requires a different brand of thinking than what most people use on an everyday basis, but I do believe that it's possible for a non-user to understand and not morally wrong or 'fucked up' for them to still want to make that first leap.
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It's pretty impossible to comprehend without first-hand experience, and it takes a very certain kind of attitude and discipline to only want to experiment, but then not continue. If you've justified to yourself that trying it once is probably completely safe, then how dangerous is doing it once more, really? That's still a long ways from addiction. Except that it isn't. Nobody intends to get addicted, and while some people jump right into the deep end, most people slowly sink into it, going from monthly to bi-monthly, then weekly and eventually daily use.
I had the intention of just "trying IV heroin once to see what it was like", but injected it six times in a very short period, instead of stopping at that one experiment. It was only a near-death experience that scared me enough to stop using it intravenously. Since then I had a brief honeymoon with addiction, smoking/plugging the stuff for a bit over a week. Only about a month earlier I used heroin maybe once or twice a month.
It's not impossible, but it is pretty damn fucking hard and the odds are not in your favour. Heroin deserves its reputation as a notoriously addictive and decadent drug, and is one of the hardest to keep under control, especially if you inject. Even if you discount the very real possibility of accidental fatal overdose, it could still ruin your life.
I advise you to stay away from heroin.
Jean-Paul
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the problem with chipping or dabbling is once its in front of you, the chances of saying no are almost 0% so you better be ON TOP of having clean needles and not getting ANYTHING mixed up with other peoples fluids and its just like how likely is that when you're in a state of mind when you're okay with injecting shit that you don't what is cut with, etc.
tentram
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i've watched a few different documentaries surrounding Ibogaine and treatment of addiction(it's not only being used for opioids now) - some of the more pro-Ibogaine ones even mention that it's not a garunteed 100% fix, and they've documented cases in their clinics where some have gone back to using within a period of time. there's a few of these clips/doco's available on youtube to check out. otherwise look around with google and through some of the sites that offer free viewings of documentaries
it's nothing to a treated lightly. one should put a lot of research into the option before considering and following through with it. it's not all milk and cookies that's for sure.
ohshea
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Haha you guys arent the only ones who have thought that...that thought has crossed my mind a few times, like mine would be the most dull episode. Plus i would be so uncomfortable with them filming me while i inject.
chaseconroe
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ive done heroin daily for about 6 months now and ive been sick, but id NEVER sell any of my shit for any amount of heroin nor not pay my bills for it. i know my priorities come first before my addiction. Which is honestly where the rest of my money goes, but were in different situations.
ohshea
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Dabbling with heroin is not the brightest idea but i can see how it can be intriguing..a lot of people who have never done heroin seem to romantacize it. Here is my story (which is surprisingly identical to szuko00's story a few pages page) I grew up in a good family, dabbled with coke and ecstasy in high school and smoked weed all the time. Not a huge druggy. Tried heroin twice intranasally but juat feel asleep but wasnt super impressed.
When i graduated high school i got accepted to my dream uni and moved out of state to go to college. I was a bio major and plannednon attending pharmacy school after i got my bachelors. The summer of my second year my neighbor helped get me a job at a retail store, and he eventually became my boyfriend. While working at this retail store, my coworker and the convo led to lets do coke after work. He then whipped out some tar for the comedown. Next thing i know, him and i are skipping work to get high. He loses his job and i quit showing up. I introduce my boyfriend to the shit and we start getting high. August is here and its time to return to class, i make it through two months before dropping out and decide to clean up my act and return next semester. When december approached, thats exactly what i did. I got my using down to only the weekends and had my new class schedule all ready. A week into school my tuition still hasnt been paid so i call my lender to see whats up. Since there was a semester gap in my attendance my loans and grants were cancelled and i would have to pay an entire semester myself before being re eligible. This sent me off the wall. No job, no school, i had no choice but to start using again. Eventually started iv'ing coke and heroin, lost my apt because i quit paying my rent, sold my audi my mom gave me as a grad present and was homeless with a huge habit with my p.o.s. Bf.
Dabbling isnt worth it. I moved back in with my mom and tried to clean up but she kicked me out. I have reacquired many things but then lost them again. Right now i feel im on the right path. Sort of. I still use but not as crazy as before. I work, bought another car and am hoping to go back to school in august. Not a state uni like before, but a community college. I still have a ridiculous amount of debt, so bad i cant even open a bank account. Anyway, not worth it. What hurts even more is seeing my old friends from hs graduating with their bachelors. This is def not where i envisioned myself five years ago. You dont know what you got til you lose it.
When i graduated high school i got accepted to my dream uni and moved out of state to go to college. I was a bio major and plannednon attending pharmacy school after i got my bachelors. The summer of my second year my neighbor helped get me a job at a retail store, and he eventually became my boyfriend. While working at this retail store, my coworker and the convo led to lets do coke after work. He then whipped out some tar for the comedown. Next thing i know, him and i are skipping work to get high. He loses his job and i quit showing up. I introduce my boyfriend to the shit and we start getting high. August is here and its time to return to class, i make it through two months before dropping out and decide to clean up my act and return next semester. When december approached, thats exactly what i did. I got my using down to only the weekends and had my new class schedule all ready. A week into school my tuition still hasnt been paid so i call my lender to see whats up. Since there was a semester gap in my attendance my loans and grants were cancelled and i would have to pay an entire semester myself before being re eligible. This sent me off the wall. No job, no school, i had no choice but to start using again. Eventually started iv'ing coke and heroin, lost my apt because i quit paying my rent, sold my audi my mom gave me as a grad present and was homeless with a huge habit with my p.o.s. Bf.
Dabbling isnt worth it. I moved back in with my mom and tried to clean up but she kicked me out. I have reacquired many things but then lost them again. Right now i feel im on the right path. Sort of. I still use but not as crazy as before. I work, bought another car and am hoping to go back to school in august. Not a state uni like before, but a community college. I still have a ridiculous amount of debt, so bad i cant even open a bank account. Anyway, not worth it. What hurts even more is seeing my old friends from hs graduating with their bachelors. This is def not where i envisioned myself five years ago. You dont know what you got til you lose it.