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Dabbling with heroin

Fresco said:
I'm sorry, but I dont believe this for one second. They may have appeared normal and were able to hide their habit, but there's no way they were happy or were able to keep up their facade long-term
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"Junk takes everything and gives nothing except insurance against junk sickness."
William Burroughs
 
Thou said:
"Junk takes everything and gives nothing except insurance against junk sickness."
William Burroughs
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And I havent even done H myself, I'm just going by what I heard from other people. And also how codeine and oxycontin's sucked me in personally.

I can just imagine what H does to people, I dont even have to try it
 
I think if you do decide to start using heroin, one of the best things you can do is to not start hanging out with other people that use heroin, especially those that seem to be heavily addicted. While you can definitely still become dangerously addicted to heroin if you use it on your own, like all drugs, having it become a social thing will increase how much you use it exponentially. I wouldn't smoke weed half as much as I do if none of my friends did it. Partially because smoking weed with your friends is such a fun social activity, partially because having a circle of friends that use it as much or more as you do means you'll always have access to it.

I started using heroin last spring, with only mild experience with other opiates. I've been using it off and on since then, but not IV, just sniffing. A few of my friends have done heroin with me when I've offered it to them, but they don't have the means or the interest to seek it out themselves. It's pretty taboo among my other friends, such that they'll have mock interventions with me when they hang out with me and they know I'm high on it. That and the fact that I don't have a steady supplier for it means that I'm only using it a few times a month at best.

Still, even in my situation, I'm still aware that I'm on a slippery slope and things can get much worse with only a little change in my life.

Just keep in mind that while heroin is among the most addicting of drugs, there are other factors in your life that make you or keep you from becoming an addict.

The purpose of bluelight is harm reduction, so no responsible person on here is going to say that it's okay for you to start using heroin. That being said, the fact is that some people decide to take these risks, even knowing that it will harm them greatly in the future. Still, others start using heroin without even understanding how grave the risks are. If you do choose to start using it, at least take the time to understand how it will effect your life, and don't assume that you'll be able to handle it gracefully. If no one ever took risks, life would be too boring.
 
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Fresco said:
And I havent even done H myself, I'm just going by what I heard from other people. And also how codeine and oxycontin's sucked me in personally.

I can just imagine what H does to people, I dont even have to try it
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Codeine is one thing, oxycontin is another. H gets the worst rap out of all the opiates because of its cultural reputation, but Oxycontin can be just as dangerous. The only thing that oxy has going for it in terms of safety over H is that it's guaranteed to be pure, and it's not as commonly injected intravenously. But I've seen over a dozen kids that I grew up with turn into heavy OC addicts. One of them started stealing his brother's clothes and selling them so he could buy pills to smoke.
 
verso said:
How can you say that with such certainty? How can you honestly believe that heroin will turn each and every user into a soulless junkie?

Heroin's not a drug that I would ever recommend to anyone, and it can be dangerous, and it can take everything away from a person, but to say that it happens each and every time to each and every user and no one can ever use it occasionally and responsibly... well, I just find that incredibly hard to believe. Just my two cents...
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I always believe in going with the odds. Balance the number of social heroin users you're ever met with the number of folks who have turned into soulless junkies.

Heroin's attraction to me has always been that of a euphoric way to check out when I'm tired of living. Pleasant suicide, at least in my fantasies.
 
Ondine said:
Codeine is one thing, oxycontin is another. H gets the worst rap out of all the opiates because of its cultural reputation, but Oxycontin can be just as dangerous. The only thing that oxy has going for it in terms of safety over H is that it's guaranteed to be pure, and it's not as commonly injected intravenously. But I've seen over a dozen kids that I grew up with turn into heavy OC addicts. One of them started stealing his brother's clothes and selling them so he could buy pills to smoke
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Oh I fully agree. I'm a businessman so money was never an issue with regards to having to steal for my habit. But yeah, I'm sure oxy's are just as damaging as H is.

Thats why I'm so happy I discovered kratom, its an excellent substitute :)
 
I think heroin is worse then oxy only because it's affordable. Once your spending 150 on oxy just to get high it becomes impossible to keep it up for a good binge. Then you find IV heroin and only need 30 dollars to get off. Next thing you know pawning things makes sense because it's easy to get 30. You steal because the amount of money needed is just easy to get and you binge for days on end.
 
The t hingSe I've done for opiates is disturbing. I've rebroken my hand to get a script. I've faked many illnesses injurys. Pawned family jewlery, burglarized my best friends house, check fraud and much more . You don't have to go there.
 
szuko000 said:
I think heroin is worse then oxy only because it's affordable. Once your spending 150 on oxy just to get high it becomes impossible to keep it up for a good binge. Then you find IV heroin and only need 30 dollars to get off. Next thing you know pawning things makes sense because it's easy to get 30. You steal because the amount of money needed is just easy to get and you binge for days on end.
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Yeah.. Maybe.
I've always had these fears in my head, yet I kind of totally blocked off the fact that oxycodone can do very much the same damage as heroin. Mostly because its so god damned expensive its hard to even maintain.
 
Sister_M0rphine said:
I'm really torn. Really torn. On one hand, I hear and see the destruction that heroin brings to people. I see people who have better self-control than me succumb to addiction. I hear people tell me to stop using or I'll turn up like them. And their warnings are pretty much right, even though I'm not a longtime heroin user, I'm already doing weird shit for a bag. I'm already pawning off things. I'm already beginning to prefer heroin over most of my friends and family. I'm already heavily preferring high and nodding me over regular me. But. I'm still attracted to it. I love the confidence and assertiveness it gives me. I love how it makes me feel so apathetic and "cool" in most situations where I would be freaking out if I was sober. In many ways, high me is the ideal me. Confident, chill, happy, and doesn't give a fuck. Now my only problem is how I can be that way without heroin.
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That was so beautifully, beautifully articulated.

Fresco said:
I can just imagine what H does to people, I dont even have to try it
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I used to imagine what heroin will do to people, and then I learned what heroin actually does to people; and do you want to know what I think? I'm not impressed... however cold and callous that may sound.

It's a spectrum, a bell-curve, really. I've known users who can use heroin only occasionally and recreationally and so on, but it's not common. I've also known users who share dirty needles, tie off in gas station bathrooms, suck dick for money (pardon my language), and you get the idea... but they, too, are not what I would consider to be "common heroin users."

I think the common user may pawn/sell his or her own possessions for money, likely when he or she is sick, but I don't think that the common user snatches purses or steals or turns tricks at truck stops. I think the common user might miss work occasionally, again, when they're sick... but for the most part... I think the common user goes to work, makes money, spends that money on dope, calls out of work occasionally when they're sick... and, it's not that impressive, really.

The girlfriend and I often joke that if they were ever to do a show on us, like "Intervention," how boring it would be. And we're not special... we're your average, run-of-the-mill sort of dope users.
 
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Firstly, where can I read the short stories written by the Russian junkies?

Secondly, from what I gather you have a lot to lose. Which is totally possible with H in your life. Does not seem worth it in the slightest.
 
GodSpeedK said:
Secondly, from what I gather you have a lot to lose. Which is totally possible with H in your life. Does not seem worth it in the slightest.
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Agreed. But I'm just tired of this cookie-cutter, stereotypical sort of "junkie" that people imagine... I've known a lot of junkies, and you can't make a TV show like "Intervention" on any one of them but maybe one or two. Because, for the most part, your run-of-the-mill, suburban junkie is this: wakes up in the morning, gets paid, buys some dope before or after work, then goes to work or whatever, comes home and goes to sleep only to wake up and do it again the next day. Not getting paid tomorrow? Fine... ask for a front, pawn another somewhat-valuable item that you have lying around in your room that you never use and don't care about anymore, middleman someone for a couple bags to keep the sick away, borrow the money or whatever.

In other words, it's not that intense or entertaining. Sure, I've known some junkies you could put a camera on and it would make for some good television; it would fit every idea and preconceived notion you may have about junkies. They rob people, break into houses, perform sexual favors for drugs... but they're not very common. The rest of us get by just fine without having to sell our souls to the devil.
 
verso said:
Agreed. But I'm just tired of this cookie-cutter, stereotypical sort of "junkie" that people imagine... I've known a lot of junkies, and you can't make a TV show like "Intervention" on any one of them but maybe one or two. Because, for the most part, your run-of-the-mill, suburban junkie is this: wakes up in the morning, gets paid, buys some dope before or after work, then goes to work or whatever, comes home and goes to sleep only to wake up and do it again the next day.

Not getting paid tomorrow? Fine... ask for a front, pawn another somewhat-valuable item that you have lying around in your room that you never use and don't care about anymore, middleman someone for a couple bags to keep the sick away, borrow the money or whatever.

In other words, it's not that intense or entertaining
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But how many years are they able to keep this up (before the wheels come flying off)???
 
Man I was such a good chipper....used it once to twice a month for 3 years then some things changed and it became alot easier to get and boom i became a hardcore junkie. It CAN happen to anyone man that saying is corny but so true. Don't try dope man, it ltes you feel something soooo good and you can never forget/take that feeling away. Better to not know
 
Fresco said:
But how many years are they able to keep this up (before the wheels come flying off)???
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That's fair... and I suppose you're right. For us, well, we'll be going on two and a half years or so... but, thinking back now to all of the junkie "friends" we've known, well... yeah, I guess all of them have just about fallen off.
 
Verso from your posts you seem to have so far --to an extent-- to not have gotten it as bad mentally physically and financially as most other people that have fucked with smack.

It turned my life upside down, i just got outta rehab *again* yesterday and moved into a halfway house and don't want you to have to go thru it so i hope you remain the exception to the rule though im ñot sure how lojg that's possible for anyone
 
I am one of those people who is an acception. I was using every day, have my dose ready when i wake up but i can dose sparingly and do small amounts at a time so i don't burn through my stuff so quick. WHen i run out, i will get some withdrawal but i don't go pawning off my shit . I man up and handle what i knew was coming, and when ever the next dose comes it comes as soon as i get money. Now that i have a job , i don't do drugs anymore but i could see my self spending a lot of cash on dope if i was still into it. Nothing too crazy but still spending a lot, anyways it's called will power bitches. And yes you can have will power with dope, even if you are a daily user you can stop your self from doing dirty shit or pawning stuff to get a fix. I am living proof
 
Znegative said:
I highly advice you to NOT use heroin, and NOT to be swept into its grasped by the romantic portrayals that you read in books or see in movies/TV. Shit gets very real, and for many, VERY out of hand.
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Listen to my boyfriend...
( But speaking of movies, if you want a more accurate portrayal of heroin and heroin addiction in a movie, watch the german film Christiane F.)
 
samizdat said:
Before this year, I only smoked cannabis a few times. From New Year's Eve until today, I've messed around with salvia, hash, ecstasy, speed and cocaine
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So in 9 months you have gone from pot to heroin? YOU'VE ONLY BEEN A DRUG USER FOR 9 MONTHS! You haven't even experienced 1/4 of whats out there! Why the rush? Why go "fuck this, I just want to get REALLY fucked up really fast, I'll just start shooting heroin..." Man.. Thats just fuckin stupid. Ask any Heroin addict. They'll tell you the same.
 
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