cycles without test?

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How many of you have done cycle's without using test?If so what did you use and how good was it?
 
Never. I know better as do most seasoned users. Sometimes, for example, we take something like dbol prior to a contest, but that's not really a cycle. Guys have done winny alone, most have reported horrible cramps and other pains. Test should be used in every cycle, IMHO. But going back to dbol, I do know of some guys that still run dbol only cycles...like the way Arnold used to use it. I won't.

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Ive done staight deca cycles for 12 weeks before and i didnt have any libido problems, there were basically no side effects and i made good gains. Ive heard alot of people talk about deca-dick but i have never had that happen to me.
 
scamppy said:
Ive done staight deca cycles for 12 weeks before and i didnt have any libido problems, there were basically no side effects and i made good gains. Ive heard alot of people talk about deca-dick but i have never had that happen to me.
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Depends on the dose. How much were you running? Some guys use deca all year round just for their joints. I have a case of spina bifida, and the use of deca really helps my back aches. 150-200mg a week worked well. My back isn't that bad right now so I'm not using it.

I did experience deca dick before, but I was hitting over 800mg of deca e/w along with several other AAS. I stopped my cycle, pumped my body full of clomid, nolva, viagra, and HCG. And in a few days, I was back to normal. I won't use deca over 500mg e/w ever again, that seems to be my tipping point.

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IMO i think your better running it with test it contributes alot of synergy with other hormones and the gains are usually better and retained when run with any type of test
 
All steroids are test or derivatives of test anyway. So a "cycle without test" is kinda a misnomer.
 
I have never ran a cycle w/o test. Test is the base of all cycles IMO. SOme people do just deca or just eq and just like the poster above me said all juice is a derivative of testosterone in one way or another but the difference being that the chemical make up of of a drug like deca does not match up with the natural profile of regular testosterone but it will still inhibit and stop your natural test production but not replicate it like synthetic test will, therefore your test levels will be lower on a deca only cycle opposed to the super man test levels you have when you run test with another compound. You will also retain more of your gains (which are very clean in general) when you run test. Test only, like 500-600mg a week) is probably my favorite cycle out of all but i love mixing eq into it at times as well. in short run test with your cycle you will be amazed at the difference in results.. just my 2 cents
 
All steroids are test or derivatives of test anyway. So a "cycle without test" is kinda a misnomer.
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This isn't true. There are several Progesterone and even Estradiol based (anabolic) steroids now. Boldenone doesn't really look much like test, Masteron is FAR closer to DHT than straight test. The point is that traditional AAS all fit onto the androgen receptor so I guess they can be called Androgen derivatives.
 
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This isn't true. There are several Progesterone and even Estradiol based (anabolic) steroids now. Boldenone doesn't really look much like test, Masteron is FAR closer to DHT than straight test. The point is that traditional AAS all fit onto the androgen receptor so I guess they can be called Androgen derivatives.
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great point and post
 
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