Cycles of Use/Abuse

[Crankinit]

Oh yeah, it definately makes you productive, I always get twice as much done when I'm on the gear than without it, but for some reason I just never enjoy it as much unless I'm active and sociable, it makes me excited, but I need something to be excited about that I'd normally enjoy anyway, otherwise I just feel like some sort of work robot stuck on the high power setting.

How do you like coke in comparison to meth? I've never tried it, it's almost nonexistant in Adelaide and even when I'm over in Sydney I find it hard to justify the price, but if I was somewhere where it was cheap and plentiful I can imagine it would be my thing, given how much I enjoy meth.

 

[Jakeperson]

oooooooh the jealousy, sounds like a dream. Not sure what genre your into but i highly recommend stephen king's dark tower series. Gunslinger is the first one.

The most amazing series of books I have ever read.

I've never tried it, it's almost nonexistant in Adelaide

That's not true.

 

[Crankinit]

That's not true.

Well I said 'almost.' I know it's around, but it's nowhere near as prominant as sydney. It's the only drug I've never seen in this city (and I've only spoken to people who've used it recently a handful of times), and from what I'm told the quality of what 'is' here is mediocre at best.

 

[little_luxury]

alcohol > tobacco > marijuana (heavy) > codeine > 1 line of speed > break of 4-5 years > MDMA (or whatever else was in the pills) > amps (pretty much daily at the moment) > benzos (very rarely)

im stuck on my DOC and have no desire at all to change it or try something new...

im all about control. i hated myself drunk so i tried weed, hated myself on that and thought maybe drugs just arent for me, had my first pill and i was in control and still totally fucked up and loved it, then someone passed me a pipe. game over.

 

[thestudent14]

Overall I feel like E (mdma) was my biggest 'gateway drug', even though I hate to use that term. But drug-wise I was quite content with weed and alcohol, though after a much more powerful mind altering, perception shifting substance like mdma I became fascinated with drugs. After that I wanted to try everything.

True words right there, I started drinking when I was 15, always had a passion for it and never really wanted to try anything else. Tried marijuana thought very little of it, wasn't curious to try anything else.

A few years later had two friends and a friends gf over, and they brought pills so I said I'd try it. Didn't do much for me and my two mates, but my mates gf looked like she was having the best time of her life. This gave me curiosity, then about a month later got some good pills, and had a whole new perspective.

I too became border line obsessed for awhile with pills and the ways they could make the body bring fourth brand new feelings. So I started researching alot about drugs, I had been reading on this site along time before I decided to sign up. No doubt MDMA was my true gateway drug.

The interesting though is that I probably wouldn't have bothered trying other drugs if the pills I got weren't any good, but instead my life has taken a big change, drugs being incorporated into my life, It's given a rebirth to my passion for chemistry aswell as making me want to party harder and try more new things.

Anyhow my cycle Alcohol > Weed (both because of availability) 1st pill > curiosity > True MDMA > methamphetamines > SHROOOOOOMZ > nangs > 4-mmc

I'd just like to say aswell, the only drugs that I have found truly worth while is still MDMA and shrooms occasionally. Although I did have fun on nangs

 

[headdah]

for me its alcohol>mdma( loved it)>k>codiene>acid>meth>RC's probably a fair few i've missed in it. I can so I've probably have a fair few amount of drugs out there. Only thing i've yet to try and want to try is the Big H. But I won't be doing that anytime soon. Probablby when i'm older etc. At least thats the current plan.

I have been a heavy drinker for many years since i was 15-16. Then I tried Mdma out of curiousity when I was 21-22 (not sure can't remember now) Ever since then MDMA was my drug of choice. Probably did 12-18months straight on mdma. easily a 10pk a weekend for that period of time every weekend almost. Some weekends I'd take a break and probably have an Acid weekend. Then I discovered K, well not discovered found an reliable source that has always had it. Binged on it for a good 4-6months (kidneys not in the best of shape these days due to that) And in between those periods I've also tried Nos 2cb codiene etc etc etc. Mushys too. Only a few times. I do admit I have a drug cycle of abuse/use problem. Its not that I am addicted to one single substance. Its that everyweekend comes I have the need to do some chemicals do some drugs to get fucked up to escape from reality. Have not moved on to daily usage thou. Only time I have been was during the K Binge. Haven't done k for a good few months now as the supply is gone which is very good for my kidney. But yeah. I think thats my 2cents for this thread.

 

[Sykik]

So how many of you first indulged in a substance because of its availability rather than your preference at the time?

Availability, and social setting. I think like most people, they will try something that they wouldn't go out and source (because finding a contact is hard word and is a bit of a scary commitment for something you don't think you need yet).

Weed (14) >Alcohol>quit weed>Alcohol heavy>Weed Abuse leading to hospitaliziation>Alcohol abuse>LSD>MDMA>caffein>MDMA every 3weeks> Then shit got dry, and due to P_D's availability comment -->4mmc experiementalizion

Because of my prior history of pysc problems something like ice/speed do not interest me too much as their incresased risk of a drug induced pyscosis.

I feel having someone to question your habbit, for me it's my GF helps you ground yourself.

I think another cycle of abuse is the following.

I go out for the music
I go for the music and take drugs
I take drugs for the music
Is go out and take drugs <------- THESE STEPS TAKE THE LONGEST
What's the music again, shit I need drugs to enjoy it <------- THESE STEPS TAKE THE LONGEST
Fuck, I use to love the music
I'll go out sober
Start to love the music sober,
Now i'll go out for the music and maybe i'll take drugs.

I'm finally at the last step... but it's a long and winding path.

 

[ayjay]

I think another cycle of abuse is the following.

I go out for the music
I go for the music and take drugs
I take drugs for the music
Is go out and take drugs <------- THESE STEPS TAKE THE LONGEST
What's the music again, shit I need drugs to enjoy it <------- THESE STEPS TAKE THE LONGEST
Fuck, I use to love the music
I'll go out sober
Start to love the music sober,
Now i'll go out for the music and maybe i'll take drugs.

I'm finally at the last step... but it's a long and winding path.

werd!! actually - I got to short circuit that cycle, probably from doing a certificate in alcohol and other drug work at TAFE when I was around steps 3-4. That made me experiment with going out doofing sober (well - maybe a few spliffs - but that doesn't count does it????). I think that a big reason that I never fucked up on drugs (except for cigs - damn they got long hooks!) is that I tried to keep perspective - drugs aren't more important than fun.

I still think we should legalise evrything

 

[sleeping pains]

this type of fun is highly regulated for a reason. Every activity that has an element of danger associated with it needs to be controlled and regulated. The reason ingestion of drugs in particular is a taboo is that society does not see a practical application

I think what one does to his/her body (or puts into it) should up to that individual and no one else, as long as what they are dong is not directly infringing on other people's freedom. it's like choosing what food we eat, who we have sex, what soap we use in the show, etc. - choices about things to do with one's body are 100% personal and should be 100% private. but obviously that's just my opinion - I think most people disagree tbh (most people irl, not ibl ).

anyway, my pattern of all-time use looks something like this...
curiosity > alcohol > DXM > weed > amphetamines/coke > psychedelics/lsd > weed > alcohol >amphetamines/coke > stimulants+alcohol > opiates > opiates+benzos

that's very very rough tho. I'm a poly-drug abuser/addict, so most of those periods of use overlapped; ever since I took my first hit of weed I've been using "a little of everything" at any given time, just some shit sometimes more than others :D

 

[Hugs & Drugs]

^ exactly, motherfucker gotta have some self freedom!

 

[madge91]

alcohol-only >
weed-abuse>
MDMA -abused for about a yr, my favorite drug my far but stopped due to quality, really want become reaquainted with missy molly soon>
speed-orally only, use, almost got to abuse but i am taking a break, only reason i take speed is cause of the lack of MDMA>
LSD>use
i really do hope MDMA becomes readily avaliable again, its a relativly safe drug compared to the others and lots of people are just making the switch to more dangrous and addictive substances

 

[thestudent14]

I think another cycle of abuse is the following.

I go out for the music
I go for the music and take drugs
I take drugs for the music
Is go out and take drugs <------- THESE STEPS TAKE THE LONGEST
What's the music again, shit I need drugs to enjoy it <------- THESE STEPS TAKE THE LONGEST
Fuck, I use to love the music
I'll go out sober
Start to love the music sober,
Now i'll go out for the music and maybe i'll take drugs.

I'm finally at the last step... but it's a long and winding path.

Good cycle and I couldn't agree more, Im currently at the I go out and take drugs stage. And my best mate is undoubtably at he needs drugs to enjoy the music. I never wanna be in a spot where I feel I need drugs to enjoy something that should be fun any way. Hopefully I can cleverly by-pass that step

 

[footscrazy]

I think I agree with total legislation because I don't think anyone should be able to dictate what anyone does to their own body. It may be harmful, but shouldn't that be upto me to decide whether the risks are worth it?

However I do see potential for a lot of damage with drugs like meth, if they were legal. It's nice to say that people should be able to choose whether or not to do drugs, but is it really going to be an objective and rational choice once someone has had a few weeks on the meth they bought down at the local chemist...? Drugs influence your judgement and cloud which choices are best for you which I think somewhat dulls the argument that everyone should just be able to do what they want to do.

I don't know, it's a tricky one.

My cycle was ciggies (a puff, never finished a whole smoke in my life) -> alcohol (regular) -> meth (regular) -> dissociatives (regularly for a few years, now when available) -> MDMA (regular for three years, now sporadically) -> psychs (3 times, never again) -> heroin (occasionally) -> codeine (regular).

I think cycles represent availability; it may take someone longer to find the 'hard' drugs or the drugs that cause them issues, but they usually do eventually.

 

[Hugs & Drugs]

but see, the exact same thing can occur with alcohol
people can easily go down to the bottlo and buy some grog day-in, day-out
but people realise this is not healthy and for the most part, sustain and use infrequently

but there are also those who abuse alcohol, but we dont see people jumping up and down preaching for alcohol to be re-scheduled just because of this
same concept with any drug...

and the situation cant get much worse than it is now with cigarettes
its all about the money, do you really think the government cares? no..
they just want easy money, and by keeping alcohol and cigarettes legal, they accumulate huge revenues
(not to mention the public uproar, even though more people die from alcohol alone than all illegal drugs combined, many times over)

...but of course, thats directly related to availability isnt it?

 

[hyroller]

What's the music again, shit I need drugs to enjoy it <------- THESE STEPS TAKE THE LONGEST

ahhhh I've never had that with the music... with the atmosphere, absolutely, but the music itself has always been like a whole other drug :D

easing myself out of the party-centric lifestyle wasn't nearly as difficult as it could have been without the tens of hundreds of tunes I built up along the way to keep the vibe alive...in fact I'd say the music is the only thing that has made this occasionally tumultuous journey towards the dark side and back, in any way worthwhile!

 

[thestudent14]

but see, the exact same thing can occur with alcohol
people can easily go down to the bottlo and buy some grog day-in, day-out
but people realise this is not healthy and for the most part, sustain and use infrequently

but there are also those who abuse alcohol, but we dont see people jumping up and down preaching for alcohol to be re-scheduled just because of this
same concept with any drug...

and the situation cant get much worse than it is now with cigarettes
its all about the money, do you really think the government cares? no..
they just want easy money, and by keeping alcohol and cigarettes legal, they accumulate huge revenues
(not to mention the public uproar, even though more people die from alcohol alone than all illegal drugs combined, many times over)

...but of course, thats directly related to availability isnt it?

It's not entirely about availability, but its sure a massive part of it.
And even though people can go into buy alcohol day in day out, there is still regulation for that. If your already intoxicated or underage then you will not be served.

So something that is far worse for the body, it should be completely someone whose qualified to tell people what they can and can't do.

A prime example is all prescription drugs. People shouldn't just be able to go in and buy and try whatever they want when they are potentially very harmful. You could argue that if people research and educate themself about drugs then they should be able to put whatever they want into their body. But it wouldn't take long for people to hear mixed things and get the wrong information about drugs. This already happens as it is, if it was legal and more people were taking it more frequently the information would get mixed up.

How often have you heard things like "alcohol takes 2 hours for the 1st standard drink and then 1 every hour after" or "marijuana stays in your blood for 3 days, 7 days or 3 months" Misconceptions are everywhere as it is. Thats why we have paid doctors to prescribe us the correct medication. If everyone tried to educate themselves alot more would go wrong.

If drugs were legalised it would become alot more disruptive. I've given alot of thought about this sort of thing and the only way I see a practical way for drugs to become legalised is to give something a trial run (The way RC's are meant to work) and have non-biast experts examine ALL of the information at the end of the year.

E.g suppose MDMA was legalised for 12months. First thing that would have to be done would be to...
Take these things into account, Health Damage done purely by alcohol, Damage done by people under the Influence of alcohol. Damage done by people on "pills" Health Damage done by people who have taken pills.

Then you would have to re-do the statistics 12months later and carefully compare all the results. I suspect their would be less damage done in the second 12months because MDMA primarily isn't an angry drug. But would the people who have suffered damage purely from the MDMA outweigh the decrease in damage done to others?

Sorry I'm getting off topic. The point is... the only way drugs could slowly become legalised would be to give them all a trial one by one, and carefully examine if the overall damage would be less.

People choosing what they can do to their body, I think is a pretty naiva approach with this sort of thing. If legalised suppose something like heroin. a dozen 18 yr old school kids get their hands on some. All decide to try it, the powerful addiction associated with it is underestimated by so many people. In a society where it would be more widely used and accepted the addicts would go through the roof.

 

[Hugs & Drugs]

^ you speak truths
and of course, people already under the influence should not be able to purchase more drugs
this, i wholeheartedly agree with

however, despite what problems may arise
i think that drug use should be a freedom if an individual wishes to do so
the misconceptions these days are fuelled by government propoganda mixed with actual facts
if illegal drugs were to be legalised, government parties would (i hope) put much effort into the education of people
what is a safe dosage, the potential risks, addiction etc - advertised on multiple levels
not this brainwashing crap that is getting old

initial problems would be a factor, as they hype of an illegal drug becoming legal would be enticing to many
however, if all drugs were legalised this would decrease drastically, as focus is not on one drug being legalised
however, if illegal drugs were legal in the first place, this hype would not even be an issue

lastly, the purity and overall safeness of illicit substances would greatly improve
backyard meth lab vs medical grade (sterile) lab
many of the health issues faced now would become obselete...

but everyone has a different opinion, so i don't expect you to agree with me

 

[puckboy]

With the current position the world is in and the average intelligence, education and morals of most people as well as the way modern societies function, to make all drugs legal simply wouldn't work IMO. A large sum of the youth (12-20) are too willing to consume regardless of the facts or their futures and by the time they're mature enough to put things into perspective it's all too late (I was one of those people to a T, and I'm only just about to turn 21). So if more people had access to the 'harder' drugs then it would only put a greater strain on society and cause more damage/suffering IMO.

Deep down I believe all drugs should be legal, but that is a utopian idea simply because alot of people are too stupid or can't handle their use of mind altering substances. Mental illnesses will always exist and with that comes a persons desire to self-medicate (with drugs). In a perfect world, all drugs would be legal and everyone would use them responsibly, but that simply isn't the reality of life.

IMO one drug without a doubt that should be legalised is marijuana, 100%. I believe psychedelics should be much more out in the open and recognised for their thought-provoking, deep-thinking cababilities. Perhaps only through a medical professional or only after a psychological evaluation should they be made available. I feel MDMA should be treated in a similar fashion.

Lesser drugs of their 'big brothers' should be made available also IMO as it would help people get over their addictions to the hard stuff. By that I mean weak opiates (eg. codeine), weak benzos (eg. oxazepam) and weaker stimulants like d-amphetamine and methylphenidate should be available. Powerful, addictive drugs like meth, heroin and cocaine should probably stay illegal due to their ability to overpower the individuals decision to use or not to use.

With a much vaster range of chemicals to indulge in, harder drugs would be much easier to resist and 'get into' IMO, there would be a much greater distinction between 'safe legals' and 'unsafe illicits'. Over time you'd hope that people would become aware and educated about the drugs they're using and the overall harm caused by drugs would be reduced, even if it meant an increased number of users.

 

[Hugs & Drugs]

"and weaker stimulants like d-amphetamine and methylphenidate should be available."

^ d-amphetamine shouldn't be considered a weak stimulant, some people find it more intense and euphoric than d-methamphetamine
ritalin is weaker, but i have seen many abusers of it and it should not be considered weak either

really, people have different ideaologies of what "soft" and "hard" drugs are
based on education, preference and just individualism
problem is, some people consider meth far more "hard" than heroin, whilst many are in opposition of this

mdma - however amazing it is, could be as damaging on the brain as meth, but that i am not for certain...

legalisation would lead to the enquiry as to how detrimental these drugs are, more research would be put into finding out the facts
rather than this research being shadowed for "more important" research

i dunno mann
these government parties need a reality check...


(but i can definitely see where you are coming from, there are alot of dumbcunts out there)
haha

 

[headdah]

I go out for the music
I go for the music and take drugs
I take drugs for the music
Is go out and take drugs <------- THESE STEPS TAKE THE LONGEST
What's the music again, shit I need drugs to enjoy it <------- THESE STEPS TAKE THE LONGEST
Fuck, I use to love the music
I'll go out sober
Start to love the music sober,
Now i'll go out for the music and maybe i'll take drugs.

I'm finally at the last step... but it's a long and winding path.

that is epically well said sykik. I think i'm at the stage where I go out and take drugs. hopefully soon it will be i go out for the musik. and take drugs MAYBE.