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Cycles of Use/Abuse

Since we're all doing it:

alcohol > tobacco > MDMA > Marijuana > Methamphetamine > LSD > Valium/Xanax > Ketamine > Codeine > Fentanyl > Oxycodone > Bupe > GHB

I'm sure I'm missing some there.

Fairly standard I guess. Started out with drinking and smoking, still drink frequantly, but not outside the norm for a 20 year old guy, smoke with other drugs but otherwise avoid it. Dropped a pill and loved it, smoked weed because it was always on offer but never really grew on me and I actively avoid it now, developed a taste for amphetamines which persists to this day, though I'm all too aware of the potential harm, which helps me moderate myself.

Dabbled with hullucinogens, gave up on acid after 5 or 6 times and deciding it wasn't my thing, will grab K whenever it's on offer but don't really miss it, save the benzo's for the comedowns. First tried codeine and didn't really care for it, but it grew on me purely because it was the only drug I had available for a while, actively sought out stronger opiates out of curiosity and Oxy was love from the first blue pill. Currently use it once or twice a month when it's available, careful to avoid a dependancy. Didn't care for the GHB though I'm glad I tried it to see what the fuss is about.


Anyway onto the topic at hand, I think complete unregulation when it comes to chemicals would be a disaster. In particular, stimulants and opiates are just far too addictive and have far too many serious consequances, your average citizen just isn't mature enough to handle these chemicals without doing themselves harm.

But that said, the current policy of stigmatization and criminalization has failed as well. The threat of punishment is not an effective deterrant, all it does is turn drug users into criminals.

What we need is a shift in approach towards harm reduction and supply reduction, with slow and very careful consideration of loosening the restrictions on certain chemicals. Cannabis, for one, probably wouldn't make a huge difference if it was suddenly legalized. Methamphetamine or Heroin most certainly would.

What we need to do is is slowly consider which chemicals should fall where on the spectrum, using science and reason instead of fear and propaganda. Approach substance abuse as a medical problem, not a criminal one, treating not just symptomatically but also taking a multifacetted approach to look at why people abuse drugs to the point of self harm in the first place, and how we can help prevent them developing an addiction, or manage their use. Funding should be diverted into harm reduction (including extensive education) and supply reduction, criminalizing end users has NEVER been an effective approach.
 
cigarettes -> alcohol -> marijuana -> psychedelics -> marijuana -> amphetamines -> mdma -> curiosity -> psychedelics again -> quasi-legal highs -> marijuana -> still curious (sigh...)

what was the question again?
 
Crankinit: i agree that sudden legalisation would be a disaster, but that being said, if these drugs were always legal i doubt this would be an issue

i think this would be a disaster as the average citizen is also not aware of the facts, and has been given the same old "drugs are bad" propoganda
and many people a deluded into thinking that if its legal, its safe

but to be honest, looking at the current mortality rates, i think we have *much* less to worry about revolving around illegal substances, and much more focus should be put on cigarettes and alcohol
(although some could argue that these are problem areas due to them being legal)
guess we'll never know till we put it to the test
;)

over time, people would learn to be come accustom to the slow road to legalisation without the extreme hype over sudden legalisation, which would no doubt result in some serious dilemmas

i just think people should be given the right to choose, whether they make the right decisions or not
that is their decision and is just another part of their freedom
 
So how many of you first indulged in a substance because of its availability rather than your preference at the time?
 
I'd say all of us. Almost everyone would list either alcohol or tobacco as their first drug experience, but very few I think would list it as their favourite drug, or the drug they would choose out of a lineup if they had everyone on offer as a teenager. They're legally and socially acceptable, so people do them first, simple as that.
 
alcohol was always first on the list
i guess this was because it was "what everyone did"
and curiosity had also built-up

marijuana was next, but not because of availability
i fell in love with it, but that was short-lived, and now i would rather a beer over a cone anyday
i guess we have to learn where our own limits are, a little bit of drug education wouldn't hurt either ;)

i honestly hated cigarettes from the get-go
although i never really tried them until after marijuana
never had an interest in them, no one in my immediate family smokes either
...probably a major factor

how about you phase dancer, what was your cycle of (ab)use?
:)
 
I've been through lots of phases with drugs. First got drunk at 15 but never drank alot, then I started smoking weed soon after which has remained a constant for the last 6 years. Have only just cut back from my daily smoking in the past couple months.

Got really into E (mdma) at 16 which I used regularly until I was about 20, (around the time any good aussie pills started disappearing). During that period I also tried and started using on an irregular basis, dexies, meth, xanax/valium, codeine/oxy, psychedelics (acid/shrooms/dmt), nangs as well as starting to drink more.

Around 17-18 I became dependant on benzos which caused alot of problems including causing me to drink more heavily and frequently. I still used opiates, amphetamines, E and psychedelics erratically throughout. At the moment my daily vices generally include alcohol, weed and d-amp (prescribed), though I still eat some acid every so often.

Overall I feel like E (mdma) was my biggest 'gateway drug', even though I hate to use that term. But drug-wise I was quite content with weed and alcohol, though after a much more powerful mind altering, perception shifting substance like mdma I became fascinated with drugs. After that I wanted to try everything.
 
I've found my pattern of experimentation (not necessarily abuse) to be

Curiosity->Marijuana->MDMA->Psychedelics->Alcohol->Opiates

I'd be interested to hear what others' use patterns have been!

Mine's probably atypical as I've never really liked alcohol, and it certainly didn't spur me to try anything else.

Caffeine->Mushrooms->DXM->LSD->Codeine


Tried cannabis as well (after mushrooms in fact), but all it seems to do is make me feel stupid with minimal enjoyable effects...

Regarding taking things to the 'abuse' level the only one for me has been (and still is) caffeine - and given its hold on me I'm very wary of trying anything with even moderate abuse potential.
 
Overall I feel like E (mdma) was my biggest 'gateway drug', even though I hate to use that term. But drug-wise I was quite content with weed and alcohol, though after a much more powerful mind altering, perception shifting substance like mdma I became fascinated with drugs. After that I wanted to try everything.

I'd agree. Before that, I was very much able to take or leave booze/cigs/etc. But once I tried MDMA it was 'holy shit that was amazing... wait so how much fun must all the other drugs be?'
 
At which point you realize the short cut is a self reinforcing downward spiral of your mental and physical health, with no long term or practical application. Hence you cease that activity.

Yeah but you talk like someone whose addictive personality got the better of them at some point, who - if it weren't for prohibition - would have easily flushed the rest of their life down the toilet in order to continue to feed it.

Not all of us are affected to the same degree by these tendencies. I do agree that taking drugs over & over becomes repetitive, passe & to a large extent, dull. But then, this also has a lot to do with spending extended periods of time around drug-taking crowds on the whole, in drug houses/venues/scenes. Such behaviours are not sustainable, and if you don't respect the unique chemical potential of a drug, of course it's going to lose its spark.... as with anything.

That isn't to say all of us are or were unable to trust ourselves by having access to these things. Maybe people should take a mental/emotional awareness test before they are allowed to consume drugs? In a perfect world, perhaps. But as it stands, most anyone can obtain drugs on the black market...and that's where much of the trouble lies.
 
Mine cycle went Tobacco/Alcohol >> Marijuana (irregular use) >> Morphine (IV Purely for a medical reason but i still hold it as one of my best experiences) >> Curiosity >> Alcohol (abuse) >> MDMA (Went pretty quickly from use to abuse, abused for long periods) >> Amp/Meth (semi-regular use) >> Cocaine >> GHB,GBL,1-4b (semi-regular use for about 8 months) >> Marijuana (Abuse) >> Amp/Meth (Abuse) >> Valium, Xanax, Oxycodone (Used when available or for comedowns) >> Mephedrone (Experimentation)...

Always been really hesitant to try psychs as I'm already a headcase and am almost afraid of what might get bought up.

This is over a period of about 6-7 years, I abused Meth quite a bit over the last year or 2 but have been off it for 3 months, I have sporadic periods of heavy Marijuana abuse and alcohol has always been a constant whether it be abuse or just regular use.

Mdma I haven't touched for about a year but i was eating numerous pills every weekend often more than 1 night in a row. It was also definately the gateway drug, after trying it the first few times and getting that "Whoa this is fucking awesome" feeling it made me start to wonder about all the other 'hard' drugs.

Everything else has just been sort of experimentation or semi-regular recreational use.
I've alway found it odd how I have problems with both Choof and Whiz, most other people i know are one or the other.

Alcohol, tobacco & marijuana had nothing to do with curiosity and everything to do with availability, they were always there and we wanted something to do.
 
So how many of you first indulged in a substance because of its availability rather than your preference at the time?

Definitely for me. All I ever wanted was LSD and nothing else, starting researching every thing else and reading user reports so I decided pills would be worth a shot from user experiences, I then started abusing them. Shortly followed by methamphetamine. I believe my life would be a whole lot different if LSD was more readily available in a small country town. I could have just as easily ended up abusing those things after LSD however.
 
As above. The only thing i initially wanted to try was lsd. After trying it and other psychedelics now i am too concerned about literally "blowing my mind" and it affecting my studies. Even weed, i couldn't stand how slow/dopey it made me on the days that followed. The experiences were amazing but after experiencing the hallucinations and altered perceptions i craved, my curiosity was satisfied and the risk no longer worth it.

i only use opiates and benzos now. I have a few personal rules to keep myself in check. Only once a fortnight, never use benzos on a day i study, drink a bottle of water at least during and only recreational use (not to feel better if i am depressed or upset).

Unfortunately i still seem have developed a tolerance/increased expectations. After using oxy for instance, 300mg of codeine just doesn't cut it and i have to add a little tramadol for the feeling i am after.

I am interested to know who uses alone? I do mostly because the attitudes of my friends/girlfriend but also the nature of downers. In isolated instances i have used some legal highs with friends. Its amazing how the general public instantly accept a drug if its legal.

p.s i tried stimulants however they just dont appeal to my nature. i am relatively passive and didn't enjoy how my ego/confidience unnaturally grew while high
 
As above. The only thing i initially wanted to try was lsd. After trying it and other psychedelics now i am too concerned about literally "blowing my mind" and it affecting my studies. Even weed, i couldn't stand how slow/dopey it made me on the days that followed. The experiences were amazing but after experiencing the hallucinations and altered perceptions i craved, my curiosity was satisfied and the risk no longer worth it.

i only use opiates and benzos now. I have a few personal rules to keep myself in check. Only once a fortnight, never use benzos on a day i study, drink a bottle of water at least during and only recreational use (not to feel better if i am depressed or upset).

Unfortunately i still seem have developed a tolerance/increased expectations. After using oxy for instance, 300mg of codeine just doesn't cut it and i have to add a little tramadol for the feeling i am after.

I am interested to know who uses alone? I do mostly because the attitudes of my friends/girlfriend but also the nature of downers. In isolated instances i have used some legal highs with friends. Its amazing how the general public instantly accept a drug if its legal.

Opiates I generally use alone, stimulants with friends. Opiates make me relaxed and withdrawn, I just want to lie back and do my own thing, I don't find them at all sociable. Give me an oc80 and let me lock myself in my room with some tunes, some books, a computer and my phone off, and I'm in heaven. Meth is the opposite, I need someone to talk to and do things with, I hate doing it by myself and generally end up texting/IMing constantly anyway. I had a bowl at work the other day and ended up on the shift by myself, and having nobody to talk to almost killed the buzz completely.

That said, I've found lately that I enjoy a low dose of oxy towards the end of a night out. When it reaches 4am or so and the club is emptying a bit, it's nice to have a small line to give you that warm glowy feeling on top of the other drugs (usually meth), then relax on a couch or out the front and just talk shit. But it's not a drug I'd take with the intent of consuming over a night out.
 
exactly how i enjoy my opiates. best after gym you get that extra glow. reading or just listening to music makes a very peaceful almost rejuvenating night.
 
Yup. In fact I just ate down 30mg of oxy, quick drive up the to library to pick up a few books, jumped into the bakery for a snack and a coke, now I'm going to settle down and spend a quiet night not giving a fuck about the world :) After the last week I think I deserve it!
 
oooooooh the jealousy, sounds like a dream. Not sure what genre your into but i highly recommend stephen king's dark tower series. Gunslinger is the first one.
 
meth would have been the first hard drug i tried, mainly coz a trucker offered it to me, to see if i could get my mates to buy off him (i was pretty naive and anti drugs at the time)

The rest for me was curiosity - this site namely. I didnt touch that meth until i read about the plethora of effects from bl and erowid..

then a mate showed up with some E one time.. i said hell yeah, i read about this stuff..

from then on, i've had a passion for biochemistry and pharmacology, how ones body can produce such euphoria and the things that kick it off.
 
oooooooh the jealousy, sounds like a dream. Not sure what genre your into but i highly recommend stephen king's dark tower series. Gunslinger is the first one.


mm I've heard about it but never checked it out. It's fantasy yeah? Always on the lookout for another decent fantasy series.

I'm rereading Robin Hobb's Tawny Man Series atm (as of 10 minutes ago). I won't get started on how amazing a writer she is or I'll be going on for hours and never actually do any reading, suffice to say I highly recommend it :)

Also picked up The Remains of the Day by Kazuo Ishiguro. I've heard a bit about it and it sounds like an interesting novel, so I'll give it a look once I'm done with Tawny Man.

(i was pretty naive and anti drugs at the time)

Funny how that works isn't it. I was never really anti-drugs before trying them, but I wasn't one of those kids who desperately wanted to try them either, I was fairly ambivelant up until 16. But I become almost scarily obsessed after that first pill, and for the life of me I can't even remember why I decided to drop it that night, I guess I was just curious or bored (funny to think how insanely different my life would be if I'd turned it down, I wonder sometimes if it'd be better, but can't imagine that it would). I certainly didn't seek it out.

But I 'did' spend the next few years with an almost voracious appetite for new chemicals, and it saddens me slightly that there aren't many completely new highs for me to try anymore. I mean there are obscure psychadelics and RC's, but I have at least a vague idea of what they'd be like after dabbling with other psychs. Someone needs to find a completely new class of psychoactive chemical so I can try it!
 
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Meth is the opposite, I need someone to talk to and do things with, I hate doing it by myself and generally end up texting/IMing constantly anyway. I had a bowl at work the other day and ended up on the shift by myself, and having nobody to talk to almost killed the buzz completely.

lol, it can be like that, but on stims I'm incredibly productive... let me loose in the house or with my textbooks or tunes or the shopping centre & I'm in seventh heaven =D

I love my alone time and the tens of billions of conversations my multiple personalities engage in, in my mind... fascination city.... :p but when the mood is right then it's great to have real life ears to talk off as well ;)

and my use by and large had to do with availability, and also personal interest/purpose. Pills, if you were, were my gateway drug. But I would have been open to trying anything (in fact I had wanted to try coke, but couldn't source any to begin with... now FFS there's more coke than I can poke a stick at, which interests me very little!)....ahhh, back in the day.
speed kicked off the compulsion really. funnily enough its side effects are just that - compulsive behaviour 8)
 
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