cutters - you are not alone. (merged)

Tangible//Utopia said:
So then I cut again one night. My first night in about a month I had done it, and I cut deep this time. I wanted the release big time now. But I overstepped in, too big of a knife, too hard, too fast. I cut my forearm very deep and very long, I was bleeding all over the place. --Tangible

I can relate. When I was in this shitty strict Christian rehab place I was so fucking depressed and upset and hopeless. I have cut myself alot, but nothin' like this. I found this really big and sharp steak knife and ripped it across my upper arm as hard as I could. At first I remember looking down at it and being a bit shocked at what a huge gaping cut it was. I felt a great reliefe, but at the same time had to figure out what to do so the rehab people didn't find out. I tried to tape it together with masking tape which didn't really work very well. There was blood going everywhere. It wouldn't stop bleeding but I couldn't ask for bandaids or peroxide or anything. So finally I just went to bed with bloody toiletpaper taped over the cut. I should have had stitches because now the scar is very wide and noticable. Anyway, after that I didn't cut for a while. But I still do at times. Right now I'm more into the burning thing. Dunno why. I mean, I'm really sick of all the scars and shit but I just seem to keep on doing it.
 
Before I cut I look like this ------> :(
While I'm cutting I look like this ----->:)
After I cut I look like this -------->8) [/B]

Not to make light of your situation but I find this to be quite amusing simply because this is exactly the same way I feel before, during and after drugs. 8)
 
When I was trying to find an easy way to suicide I come across the psyke forum. Well I didn't find a way there (I didn't had to say that :p) but I found a community about self harm and suicide that try to help people who cut or want to kill themselves.

Worth checking it out :)
 
ive been diagnosed with depression for 3 of my 17 years of life, i started cuttin myself in year 8 just as a joke. but then it became more serious....

i do it because i think about the physical and not about the emotional pain that i go through. it helps me, it really does. i dont do it for attention, i only ever cut myself where no one sees, top of my arm (dont wear singlets) and top of my legs. i have the knife under my bed, whenever my brother or dad or ex hurt me i jst run straight to my room and do it.

i do cut it pretty deep, it just depends on how hurt i am at the time. the last time was about 5 weeks ago, after a fight with my SO. it just gives me a huge rush all over my body, it makes me feel like its all goin to be ok.

i know its destroying my body, but its helpin my mind. anti depressants cant make me feel the way cuttin myself makes me feel.

no one can understand unless you do it yourself and u feel what i do.

the last time i self harmed was last week. i didnt have a knife and i was freaking out about my dad and lil bro. so i just scraped my palm with my thumb nail, it leaves a blister. but that helps. if i get upset after that i just push the blister in, which releases the physical pain and the emotional just disappears.
i know its wrong, but its my drug, some girls eat chocolate or go shoppin when they are in pain. i cut and scrape.

ive punched walls, burnt my arm with lighters, banged my head on brick walls, scraped my legs with my nails, pulled my hair out, punched my self in the face (mainly cheek bones, but some of the time i did it to get back at my older brother- he never left bruises so i made them) punched the top of my head, scratched my face, pinchhed my self, stabbed my self with pins, cut myself with broken glass that i broke.

im not sayin all this for sympathy or attention, but this is a cuttin thread. so sorry....
 
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^^^ I think you and me are going to have a little talk tonight.

I seriously didnt think you were that bad chik, and I thought I was a awsome friend to you, we have alot in commen and are soo much the same with our personalitys.

I love you chik and I hope that you don't do this to yourself anymore. I think we should lay off all this partying and look after you, becoz your apart of our lifes and you hav played a huge party of my history, you hav something inside you that alot of other girls/ladys dont, and that is dignety and respect for others well being, I love Jess and I dont want you to hurt yourself anymore, Ill leave the rest to PM's but just wanted to show the other BL'ers that I have alot of love and support to give you as a really close friend, and you do hav alot of ppl in your life that do care about you!!

Lah Lah
 
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i keep hearing all you folks say that u do this as your only way of escape... yet here we are on a drug forum and u can't use those to vent pain?

all i can think of when i get to that miserable balling up punching the ground crying yer eyes out point...
music is the saviour!
 
buzzn_all_nite_long said:
no one can understand unless you do it yourself and u feel what i do.

This is so true...I'm the same. I haven't actually cut myself since I left Melbourne at the end of August, and I'm very happy about that. But I know that it's just the way I'm wired...the way I look at it is that it's very similar to alcoholism or any other kind of addictive or coping behaviour. You can ignore your need to do it, but you can never really take that need away.

What you can do though is realise that you're not alone. For me, once I realised there were people who'd been there, at least one of whom is one of my best friends, it made me feel better about myself doing it. That made a big difference because slowly I realised that although it is an unhealthy coping mechanism, I'm not some kind of freak for doing it.

There's not much I can add here that hasn't been said by a lot of us already...I do agree with you though buzzn, everytime I've tried to talk about this with people who've never done it, even when they have the absolute best intentions in the world they fundamentally don't understand what makes us do it, and that limits how effectively they can help us.

If you want to chat anytime, gimme a PM, I'll give you my number...you're not a bad person for hurting yourself, and I've learned that it's not as uncommon as a lot of people think, but if you want to change your behaviour then I'll help if I can...

Take cares,

Raz :)
 
not exactly self harm or cutting, but i often suffer from images of doing these types of things in my head, for no explainable reasons that i can think of. i will get images of cutting or burning myself, or often taking a pair of scissors to various parts of my body (from gouging my eyes to cutting something off that i am very fond of).

i have never felt an urge to follow through with the images that i sometimes see, and i highly doubt that i ever will have an urge. (and know that if i did, that i would seek help before doing so) i should make it clear that i do not want to commit any of these acts- AT ALL. (i mean no offense to those who do like to do this, its just not my bag) none the less, it is still quite disturbing to come across moments where i am fighting to think of anything else but these images.

i probably havent really experienced this in about a week or so, and it tends to occur more frequently and mainly only while i am not in a good mood. also, i can not recall ever experiencing this while under the influence of anything, it has only happened while sober.

i was on prozac for a few months, just a few months back ago, though discontinued use once my depression cleared up and learned to deal with my life better. while on the prozac these images occured very infrequently, if at all, so i guess they could be attributed to depression in me. now off the prozac, i do, from time to time, see these things again.

if this is completely off topic, i appologize, but it is of such a similar nature that i have to ask. i have never read about anything like what i go through and as this post was about self harm i thought i should bring it up. it really drives me nuts, too.

has anyone else here experienced something similar or heard of this? do you know if it is linked to self harm or the psychology behind it?

(please also note that it is not easy for me to talk about this, but i saw an opportunity and thought that i should bring it up. not that i expecct it at all, but please do not cut me down here [no pun intended :\ ])
 
First Aid Information For Self-Hamers

This is not pro-SI but help does need to be given to prevent further damage being done by inadequate care of injuries. I hope the information is helpful and keep safe!

(*Note: This isn't my writing! I'm not taking credit for it! I just found it on a site whilst browsing the net.)
This should be useful for all forms of self-injury as it covers not only cutting, but burns, abrasions, signs of infection and even the extreme, somewhat rarer forms of SI; dislocations and fractures.

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First Aid Information:


Burns

There are different degrees of burns and these each need to be treated in their own way. They also each have their own characteristics as to how they look and feel. However there are some things that are valid for all types of burns:
~><~ Never put butter or any greasy ointments or creams onto a burn. These seal the heat into the wound and may cause infection to occur.
~><~ If the burn covers more than one part of the body seek medical attention.
~><~ Also seek medical attention if...
.:~*~:. The burn is on a sensitive area of the body (e.g. hands, face, and feet.)
.:~*~:. The burn is a third degree burn (see further on in this section for characteristics of third degree burns)
.:~*~:. The burn is cause by chemicals (also further on in this section.)

First Degree Burns

First-degree burns damage the outer layer of the skin. The characteristics of first-degree burns are as follows...
~><~ redness on the area burned.
~><~ a mild pain on the area.
~><~ swelling around and on the area affected.

To treat first-degree burns...
~><~ Immediately cover the whole of the affected area in cold water.
~><~ Keep it under cold running water
OR
Place cold, wet, clean, clothes on it until the pain goes down.
~><~ Cover the burn with a clean, dry gauze dressing to protect it.
~><~ Do remember to change the dressing to keep the wound clean and free of infection.



Second Degree Burns



Second-degree burns are burns, which go through the second layer of skin. The characteristics of second-degree burns are as follows...
occurring on the area affected by the burn...
~><~ Blisters
~><~ Rough, red skin
~><~ Swelling
~><~ It is also extremely painful.

To treat second-degree burns...
~><~ Immediately cover the whole of the affected area in cold water
OR
Place cold, wet, clean, clothes on it.
~><~ Gently blot the area dry. Do not rub it dry as rubbing may break the blisters increasing the danger of infection.
~><~ Cover the wound with a dry, sterile bandage.
~><~ If the burn is on an arm or leg, keep it elevated as much as is possible.

Second-degree burns should heal within a few weeks.


Third Degree Burns



Third-degree burns are less painful that second-degree burns because the nerve cells in the affected area are destroyed. Although it is less painful it causes more damage. This burn goes through the third layer of skin. The characteristics of a third-degree burn is as follows...
~><~ A whitish or charred appearance.

To treat third-degree burns...
~><~ DON'T remove any clothing near or on the burn
~><~ DON'T apply cold water or medication to the burn.
~><~ Cover the affected area with clean, dry cloths (e.g. strips of a clean sheet.)
~><~ If burns are on arms or legs, keep the limbs elevated above the level of the heart.
~><~ If the burn is on the face, there is a danger of difficulty with breathing.
~><~ Go to a hospital at once.

Don't worry about questions as their main concern is getting the burn treated properly. They will have seen burns similar before and they know how to treat it correctly, which is very important with such burns so that infection does not occur. If it is left untreated serious problems WILL occur, which will in turn cause more problems.

Chemical Burns



If you are burnt by a chemical take the following steps... ~><~ Remove clothing on/near the burn. DON'T pull the clothing over the head. You might have to cut the clothing off.
~><~ Wash the area thoroughly with LOW pressure water for at least 20 minutes.
~><~ Bandage the area with a clean, dry dressing.
~><~ Go to get medical attention as soon as is possible.

Cuts and Abrasions (scratches)



Cutting and scratching are also very common forms of SI and taking care of them so that they don't become infected is important.

To treat cuts...

~><~ Clean the area thoroughly with warm water and soap. Carefully wash away any dirt that could be present.
~><~ Apply pressure directly onto the wound until it stops bleeding. (more information on external bleeding is in this first aid section)
~><~ Bandage up the wound using clean, dry bandages.
~><~ If the cut is very deep professional medical advise may be needed and so get it seen to as quickly as possible. Your health is more important than keeping your SI a secret and if it doesn't get seen to and problems occur you will be worse off in the long run.
To treat abrasions (scratches)...
~><~ Wash the area thoroughly with soap and warm water, washing away any dirt present.
~><~ If it bleeds or oozes, bandage it. This is to protect it from infection.


Signs of an Infected Wound

If the wound appears infected medical assistance is required as soon as possible. The signs of an infected wound are as follows:
~><~ Swelling
~><~ Redness
~><~ Pain
~><~ It may cause a fever
~><~ Presence of pus



External Bleeding

It is important to stop the bleeding. Although some people SI for the sight of the blood, too much blood loss can be dangerous and so it should be stopped as soon possible. To stop the bleeding take the following steps...


1~><~ Apply pressure directly onto where the blood is coming from.
~><~ Place a clean cloth folded up over the wound continuing to apply direct pressure.
~><~ If blood soaks through the cloth do not remove it, but add another cloth on top of it.
~><~ Continue to apply pressure for 7-10 minutes.
2~><~ Elevate the injury so that it is above heart level, whilst still applying pressure.

3~><~ If steps 1 and 2 do not work then apply pressure to the pressure points nearest the injury.
Arm: it is located on the upper part of the arm.
Leg: it is located in the creases in the upper leg.
Apply pressure to the artery between the bone directly behind it and your finger (or the palm of your hand if it is on the leg).


Dislocations

A more extreme form of SI involves the breaking of bones, however the Bone is not always broken and a dislocation of a joint can occur instead. The more common dislocations involve the shoulder, elbow thumb or finger. The signs for a dislocation are as follows...

~><~ Swelling
~><~ A "deformed" look
~><~ Pain and tenderness on and around the area
~><~ A slight discolouration may also occur

If you do suspect it is dislocated then it needs to be adjusted back into place by a doctor. However the following steps should be taken...

~><~ Apply a split to the join to prevent it from being moved further
~><~ If able, keep the joint elevated to slow blood-flow to the area
After these steps have been performed then contact a doctor to have the joint put back into its socket.


Fractures

Fractures occur during a more extreme form of SI where bones are broken.

There are two types of fracture:
~><~ A simple fracture. This doesn't piece through the skin although it could become a compound fracture if it isn't cared for.
~><~ A compound fracture. This does pierce through the skin and serious bleeding can occur. Do not apply pressure to the wound when it is a result of a compound fracture.

Signs for a fracture are as follows...
~><~ There will be a swelling around the area
~><~ The skin may be discoloured
~><~ A crack or snap may have been heard

Fractures must be treated by a doctor. However first aid can help the situation.
Here is how to care for a fracture...
~><~ Cover the injury with a sterile pad
~><~ Apply a splint (if able) to prevent further injury being caused to the surrounding tissue by the fracture.
~><~ Call for medical help. DO NOT MOVE. THIS WILL MOST LIKELY CAUSE MORE DAMAGE THAN GOOD.
 
Scar Prevention

Forgot to post this!!!

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What is a scar?


Scar tissue is produced by the body when the skin has been cut or broken open. It's the bodys way of replacing the damaged tissue with stronger healthier tissue. Scar tissue is tougher than regular tissue, however it is also less flexible.

A scar can occur for a variety of reasons. The first is simply genetics. Normal scar tissue is paler then the surrounding skin, flush with the surface of the skin, and typically is less sensative to touch or pain. Certain skin types (olive, dark, mediterranean, african, for example) scar easier than others. These skin types also tend to be prone to keloids and hypertrophic scars. Both keloids and hypertrophic scars are conditions in which the body produces an excess of scar tissue. Both are characterized by a scar thats raised above the surface of the skin, a scar thats darker tan the surrounding skin, and a scar that may be sensative or painful to touch. The difference between the two is that a keloid spreads beyond the border of the cut while a hypertrophic scar remains within the border of the cut. This is not to say that all persons with dark skin get keloids or hypertrophic scars, nor is it to say that light skinned people never get them. However skin type can be a contributing factor to the amount and type of scarring that a person experiences. Unfortunately, theres not much that can be done about this, except that if you know you have this skin type, you can treat your wounds extra carefully.

Scars may fade until they are almost unnoticable, but they never disappear completely. Scars are permanent. For that reason, its best to prevent scarring as a cut heals as much as possible.


Preventing Scarring


Plain and simply, the faster a cut heals, the less scarring there will be. So, it follows that the smaller the cut, the less scarring there will be. A large cut can be made smaller if the edges are somehow held together so that the cut takes up less surface area. This is ideally done with sutures, although in some cases steri strips are enough. Closing the cut once its been disinfected will also prevent infectious substances from getting in. Infection prolongs healing and causes more damage to the tissue, so preventing infection will reduce the chance of excessive scarring. Products such as Neosporin and Bacitracin also help to speed healing and prevent infection and can be very effective in reducing scarring as the cut heals.

DO NOT INTEREFERE WITH THE WOUND HEALING - If you do - you can guarentee bad scarring...

Burns

Cold water will not only ease pain in the medium term (though it might sting to start with), but also significantly help reduce the scarring left by burns. Once you have stopped the burning, cover the burned area with a thick gauze pad then leave it alone for at least 24 hours. Burns heal better when left to repair themselves. After than, you can wash the injured skin gently with mild soap and water or a Betadine solution. Betadine is available from some pharmacies. An over-the-counter antibiotic ointment will discourage infection and promote healing. Look for an ointment containing polymyxin B sulfate or bacitracin. Two or three days after you've been burned, try rubbing some aloe vera on the burn. You can either break a stem from an aloe plant or purchase aloe cream. It's available without a prescription. Leave any and all blisters alone. Do not try to pop them. They're your body's natural burn bandages. If one should pop, cleanse the area with mild soap and water, and then cover the area with antibiotic ointment.

Reducing Scarring (Normal Scar Tissue)


If the cut develops normal scar tissue (flat, light, painless), then theres not much that can be done to make it less obvious. Vitamin E has been proven to help reduce scarring. This can be found in various products such as Vit E capsules - simply spread the liquid onto scars from these capsules. Taking plently of vitamins and esspecially ZINC - has again shown time and again to be effective. Makeup can also be used to cover it. There are theories that if you have skin color that stays pretty uniform year round, you could tattoo the scar tissue the same color as your natural skin. That would only work on scars that are paler than the rest of the skin, because a tattoo can make something darker, but it cant make something lighter. I'm yet to hear from anyone else who has tried this, but according to several respected tattoo artists, it's very definitely possible. There are also various surgeries which effectively reduce or remove scar tissue, however these are expensive and have variable results. In addition, a doctor will typically insist that a person be recovered from their self injury for a certain amount of time before they will perform surgery to eliminate or reduce self inflicted scarring.

Scar reduction cream can be effective if put on early (the moment the scab naturally falls off)

Again - do not interfere with the wound healing - or bad scarring will result...

Reducing Scarring (Hypertrophic and Keloid Scars)


If a scar is hypertrophic or keloidal (raised, dark, sensative), then there are a few other options which will reduce the appearance of the scar, effectively turning it into normal scar tissue. I'm prone to hypertrophic scars, and I've been seeing good results with silicone sheets. These are just thin flat pieces of silicone which you tape on top of the scar with special water based adhesive tape. You can leave the sheet on all day, or just at night, or for a few hours per day, as long as you take it off at least once a day to wash it with a mild soap. Of course the longer you leave it on, the faster you'll see results. The sheets can be washed and reused indefinitely.

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Famous people who have self-harmed...

I'm glad you mentioned Richey James Edwards in the opening post (being an admirer).
But there's actually loads of famous people who have or still do self-harm.

I thought maybe if i posted a little about each of them and there explanations of why they self-harm it might help take away some of the ignorance.......
I think some of you who don't know a lot about self-harming will be very surprised!!

JOHHNY DEPP

a young actor well known for his past "bad boy" behavior, was born in Owensboro, Kentucky in 1963. In a 1999 Avantgarde interview Johnny said, "As a teenager I was so insecure. I was the type of guy that never fitted in because he never dared to choose. I was convinced I had absolutely no talent at all. For nothing. And that thought took away all my ambition too." Even today he still has feelings of insecurity about himself. In 1999 he said, "My self-image it still isn't that alright. No matter how famous I am, no matter how many people go to see my movies, I still have the idea that I'm that pale no-hoper that I used to be. A pale no-hoper that happens to be a little lucky now. Tomorrow it'll be all over, then I'll have to go back to selling pens again." During his teens he had drinking, smoking and doing drugs. There were episodes of petty theft and vandalism. He dropped out of high school at the age of sixteen so that he could concentrate on being a musician. He continued to have problems with drugs and drinking into his twenties.

Johnny has a series of seven or eight scars on his left forearm where he has cut himself with a knife on different occasions to commemorate various moments or rights of passage in his life. In a Talk magazine interview he said, "It was really just whatever [times when he hurt himself]--good times, bad times, it didn't matter. There was no ceremony. It wasn't like 'Okay, this just happened, I have to go hack a piece of my flesh off.'" In a 1993 Details magazine interview Johnny explained his self-injury, "My body is a journal in a way. It's like what sailors used to do, where every tattoo meant something, a specific time in your life when you make a mark on yourself, whether you do it yourself with a knife or with a professional tattoo artist." Johnny has several tattoos, such as the one that says 'Wino Forever' (used to be 'Winona Forever" when he was dating the famous actress, Winona Ryder).

Johnny Depp is now thirty-seven, lives in France with his steady girlfriend (whom he considers his wife), Vanessa Paradis, and his young daughter. He has quit doing drugs and no longer drinks heavily. In a 2001 Movie Star Magazine interview he talked about how he is currently the happiest he has ever been, "My upbringing made me as I am now. But I can become merry and happy at once. There were many years I was feeling at a loss about my life or how I grew up. I couldn't understand what is right or what is precious. At that time, I was so miserable and self-defeating. I was feeling angry with various things. My anger came up to the surface then. I don't say such tendency has disappeared. Even now there are anger and the dark side in myself. But it's the first time I've been so close to the light."

ANGELINA JOLIE

Angelina Jolie, a young actress who has starred in "Girl Interrupted" and "Tomb Raider," was born in 1975 to famous parents, both actors. She grew up in Los Angeles and studied at the Lee Strsberg Institute. She appeared in five student films for her filmmaker brother, James Haven Voight, as well as in music videos for the Rolling Stones, Meat Loaf, the Lemonheads, and Lenny Kravitz. Angelina had a short modeling career with Finesse Modeling Agency, in which she appeared in numerous fashion layouts. In 1996, at the age of twenty, she got married to Jonny Lee Miller, a British actor, while wearing a white shirt with her fiance's name written on it in her blood. The two got divorced two years later. In May 2000 she got married to Billy Bob Thornton.

In June 2001 Rolling Stone she said that during her very early teens she started "thinking about not wanting to be around. It was when the reality of life set in, the reality of surviving." Also, Angelina used to hurt herself during her early teens but stopped around the age of sixteen. She explained in a 2000 Maxim article, "You're young, you're crazy, you're in bed and you've got knives. So shit happens." But in 1999 Access Hollywood interview she explained it more in-depth, "I was..trying to feel something....I was looking at different things..thinking romantically about...about blood. I really hurt myself," and also said, "I was just....a kid. I was like 13, And, I was saying that it is not something that is cool. Its not cool. And I understand that it is a cry for help..."

In a 2000 Jane interview she said, "This person asked me about cutting myself when they saw a scar. I'm very open, but because of that, people think that they know everything about me, and, actually, they don't know anything. I say things that other people might go through. That's what artists should do - throw things out there and not be perfect and not have answers for anything and see if people understand. But this person made the cutting sound interesting, like it was something I do now. [For the record, she did, but doesn't now, and doesn't endorse it.] And then I met somebody who said they'd seen movies of mine and then showed me where they had cut themselves. I had to explain, first off, not to do that. But it made me really fucking angry at the people who represent me in a way that would get that person to do that and show me. I don't understand why people would want to use something so damaging. It's like, let's make me look 'cool' and worry a lot of people in my family." Angelina has the Japanese symbol for "death" tattooed on her shoulder, and the Latin words, 'Quod me nutrit me destruit,' on her stomach, meaning "What nourishes me also destroys me."


Angelina Jolie no longer hurts herself as a way of coping but she freely admits to using knives during sex play. Article and interviews indicate that she is a much happier and more content individual than she was earlier in her life.

CHRISTINA RICCI

an actress since childhood, was born in Santa Monica, California to a lawyer-psychiatrist father and real estate agent mother in 1980. Her parents divorced when she was thirteen. She was discovered at the age of seven and a year later made her screen debut in Mermaids (1990), in which she played Cher's daughter. She showed herself to be a talented, adult actress in the movie, The Ice Storm, in which she played a sexually precocious fourteen-year-old. Christina, a compulsive talker and smoker, is known for her outspokenness on a large number of controversial topics.

In a US magazine interview Christina explained a small, smile-shaped scar on her hand. "I was trying to impress Gaby [Hoffmann, her best friend]. So I heated up a lighter and pressed it on my hand." She revealed other burn scars on her arms and said, "I wanted to see if I can handle pain. It's sort of an experiment to see if I can handle pain." In a SPIN magazine interview she revealed that she sometimes would put out cigarettes out on her arms. When asked if it hurts she replied, "No. You get this endorphin rush. You can actually faint from pain. It takes a second, a little sting, and then it's like you really don't feel anything. It's calming actually." In a 1998 Rolling Stone interview she explained where each scar came from. When she was angry about "not looking very good" Christina heated up a lighter and held it to her hand to impress some boys. Scratches on her forearms came from fingernails and soda tops. She explained, "It's like having a drink. But it's quicker. You know how your brain shuts down from pain? The pain would be so bad, it would force my body to slow down, and I wouldn't be as anxious. It made me calm." Christina also developed anorexia when she was fourteen but has since recovered. In a 1999 Mademoiselle interview she said, "In a way, I was trying to get rid of my breasts. Everyone my age wanted them, so it was like, whoo-ooo. Then I started hating them. And for all of my movies, I was supposed to be younger, so I'd have to strap them down."

When looking back on her self-injury the same interview Christina said, "when I was younger, I did self-mutilate. I'd be upset, so I'd do it, and it would calm me down. It's a horrible way to feel better. But there are two parts of your brain- one that really wants to destroy the other. And sometimes the idea of self-destruction is very romantic. I got over that."

SHIRLEY MANSON

Shirley Manson, the sexy, red-haired singer of Garbage, was an angry child. She was teased, tormented, and even beaten-up by her classmates because of her looks. Classmates called her names such as "posh," "bloodhound," and "frog-eyed" because of her red hair and green eyes. As she grew older she became unhappy and violent, and planned to drop out of high school when she turned sixteen. A certain teacher began ridiculing her until, "Until, I think, everyone in that school thought I was less than human. I felt ugly, weak, overwhelmed - I couldn't imagine being capable of doing anything. I certainly never thought I could be in a band. This was a dream it didn't even occur to me to dream about." (1998, Select Magazine) Shirley took up smoking, boys and drinking, she began using drugs on a regular basis during her late teens. In 1995, Shirley and her band released the self-titled, "Garbage," their debut album, which became an instant hit. The lyrics of her songs are well known for revealing her true emotions and feelings.

Shirley Manson has a low self-esteem and hates the way she looks. In a 1998 Select interview she said, "I feel disgusting. I could take a knife to my throat for the way I look. Can someone just put a bin or a bag or a fucking bomb on my head?" As a teenager her feelings of weakness and of being overwhelmed were manifested in cutting, she would snip the safety guards off Bic razors and would cut up her arms. When she was a teenager she used to carry a sharp object in the laces of her boots and would cut herself with it whenever she felt stressed, anxious or depressed; she hid the scars by wearing long pants and boots. She explained in a The Herald article the experience of self-injuring, "I wouldn't say that cutting was pleasurable, but there is a sense of euphoria that follows cutting yourself. The quick pinch of pain and the sight of blood snaps you back to the surface and you start to appreciate being alive."

Shirley Manson no longer self-injures but still feels the urge from time to time. In 1998 she almost relapsed during her European Tour, in which she felt homesick and tired of hearing the males in her group talk about women. She told The Herald about her near relapse, "I ran to my dressing room in a flood of tears. I hated myself all over again for not being thin enough or having a perfect body. It hurt so much that suddenly cutting started to make sense again." She took a penknife and was about to cut herself when a fellow band member walked in.

She has gone public with her past experiences because she feels the need to help others. She said, "I'm speaking out because I feel this problem is getting worse for some kids. I'm not an expert on this, but you have to talk to someone. I've seen kids with cigarette burns on their arms or gashes on their legs. It kills me, but hopefully my coming forward can help a little."

Lyrics from the song, Medication: "Somebody get me out of here, I'm tearing at myself. Nobody gives a damn about me, or anybody else..."

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Okay, I won't post anymore yet because i've now flooded the thread with 3 monster sized posts lol

But here's a list of some other famous people who've self-harmed:

FIONA APPLE
ELIZABETH WURTZEL
COURTNEY LOVE
and...
PRINCESS DIANA (I shit you not!)
 
Don't all of you love the bloody sheets when you wake up and your shirts caked with blood stuck to your side, or the second before you remember what you did earlier and get up and accidentally open the cuts again by moving? fuck yeah, slicin' slittin' and carvin' it up and keepin it real...
 
nah man I cut too. but i wish i didnt so I knock it by saying shit like I did before.
 
child_of_korn - it is dissappointing to see someone glorifying this issue, i can understand exactly where you are coming from, but these "cutters" who admittedly i don't know much about, won't gain much from an abuser such as yourself making the act out to be okay, because it is far from that mate. Have a look at what has happened over the past 12 months, death and destruction everywhere, that just shows that there is enough human mutilation in this world as it is, letalone the need to self-mutilate.
I am not saying stop your cutting by all means if you feel it is safe then go right ahead, but I have to say you don't sound like much of an addict, in that you don't sound very genuine in your depression, rather to follow your idol Marilyn Manson.....

I must inform you that i work in the hotel industry, and in working at a top Melbourne Hotel "Brian Warner" stayed with us, are you aware of who "Brian Warner" is? Because in talking to "Brian Warner" I discovered that perhaps you can sell records with a believable stage act.

Brian Warner - AKA Marilyn Manson is actually a very down to earth guy, granted i only spoke to him in the hotel lobby for a few minutes, and i can assure you, there were no scars on that mans arms.
 
yeah ^^^^ agreed!!

its so pathetic that u put Marilyn Mansons name into your lil post. it just shows that u only do it, because in his songs, he says he does it. its as if u only harm yourself to be cool, to make some kind of trendy statement. thats not cool.

i dont do it becuase i want to, i do it because i feel i need to. it makes me feel so much better, it gives me a rush and makes everything ok for about 10 seconds of my life.

i didnt start it because of a celebrity, i did it because it was my way out of this world!!!!
 
buzzn_all_nite_long - thank for the support there i hope you didn't take what i meant as a personal attack on cutters though mate because i do understand that it calms your depression and anxiety, i can understand that, its people who glorify it when it is so obviously an issue/problem that needs to be addressed carefully.

Hey, one thing that did bother me was that last line you wrote, take care mate. That goes for you other cutters geez just take care for christs sake
 
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