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Crystal Crisis

something I find interesting is the descriptions of people the author describe as being on meth. The guy in the ball ca stumbling around an then passing out in a chair doesn't sound much like crystal to me more like alcohol in the hot sun. Also the people chewing lollipops doesn't mean there on meth or any other drug it simply means their sucking on a candy sucker. As for the guys huddled behind the bar they could have been up to any number of things. The sunglasses part is the most ridiculous as if wearing sunglasses means your on meth. Come on isn't he in a "sun drenched" place. As for the ball cap guy also wearing his meth glasses sounds like he is avoiding the pain of bright light while suffering a hang over.

Its obvious the biggest problem here is ignorance about the drug meth. I think people should educate themselves about a drug it effects, side effects the behavior and parifinalia involved with regards to its use. Then maybe one would be in a better position to write about the evil's of that drug. But sadly its very apparent that who ever wrote this articles knows probable nothing about meth. If only people would educate themselves before trying to educate others maybe this article could actually be taken seriously.

JUST SAY KNOW
 
It is ridiculous to compare people willingly using a drug to people unknowingly being infected with AIDS, which was pretty much a death sentence 20 years ago.
 
I don't see the problem here, the gays are using meth, fucking random other gays like rabbits, and using no protection.

GOOD!

Let them wipe themselves out, then we won't have to live in a society infested by irresponsible faggots, who COULD perfectly take precautions, all they need do, is A: not shoot meth in the first place, they could smoke it, and use their own pipe, B: use protection, and C: personally I find it disgusting any way, but that is merely my own personal opinion, they could find a "partner" and STAY with them, instead of getting tweaked to fuck, and whoring themselves to death with every other faggot who shouts a quick "oohh hello sailor!" their' way.

They know the risks, yet choose to ignore them, therefore, they are exterminating themselves, it is natures way, the weak and abberant examples in any population of any species will naturally fall prey to such things and die out, why SHOULD we help them, and pollute our species with weaklings, who do not procreate, and add nothing to either our society or our species?


Yes it is harsh, no it isn't particularly an appealing view on the subject, but, it is their own fault, they could do something about it, but choose not to, those that act like that, will die off, and rightly so, it is nothing but natural selection, survival of the strongest.
 
Thought this might help cement the harsh reality for those skeptics who still say, "what crisis?"

And to those who are so quick to dismiss them for engaging in risky behavior, perhaps we should shut down all HIV clinics everywhere, because by god, people who have sex and catch HIV should have known better, let them die!

The human compassion shown here is pathetic....

Something needs to be done besides washing our hands of the problem. I admit, some of the stuff in here makes my stomach turn. But should we let them do this to themselves, or offer a way out? To stop this fucked up mess?

AIDS in Maine 2005: What a meth
Issue Date: March 18 - 24, 2005
http://www.portlandphoenix.com/features/top/ts_multi/documents/04538523.asp

Most gay men don’t want HIV or AIDS. Most gay men don’t use crystal meth.

In an effort to assuage the majority, who practice safe sex, that is my disclaimer. It’s a necessary preface to a report about the decisions of a growing handful people in the gay community who are putting the entire culture at risk.

The truth is, some gay men in Maine, in fact some very young men, are abusing crystal meth and becoming HIV-positive because of the risky sex that they have while using the drug. Worse, some of them are deliberately seeking to become "seeded," or "charged," or "pozed" by others who are HIV-positive, and health-care workers are beginning to take notice. What frightens them is that, most often, the use of the drug, risky sex, and the desire to become infected with HIV are generally not mutually exclusive.

You can see why responsible members of the gay community might be worried.

"When I have sex, I have safe sex. I worry that articles about the convergence of crystal-meth use and HIV infection could give the impression that ALL gay men are out of control sex monsters. That story line serves the conservative base in this country, giving them something to point to and say, ‘See, they’re not deserving of marriage rights or benefits, the majority of them are sick and twisted and into extreme unprotected sex with multiple partners.’ "

That was one of the responses that I received from a profile that I put on Manhunt.net, the premier hook-up Web site for gay men, seeking anyone who would speak frankly about attending sex parties in Maine, the use of crystal meth at those parties, the practice of unsafe sex at the fetes, and, most disturbing, parties that are held specifically for those who wish to either infect others or become infected with HIV.

The concepts are nothing new, really. Documentaries have been made, like the critically acclaimed and condemned The Gift, which tracked thousands of men in California and beyond who were regulars at such gatherings and who even set up Web sites soliciting attendees. Again, thousands of online users were reported as seeking the "charge."

Two years ago, a firestorm ignited when Rolling Stone published a salacious story about so-called "bug chasers," which prompted some Boston doctors to claim that they had been misquoted regarding the enormity of that problem.

That was then.

Small or large, most agree now that there is a problem, particularly when a litany of reports in recent months proves that young men are having riskier sex now than they were during the early days of the AIDS epidemic, and that cases of syphilis, rare forms of chlamydia (LGV), and even untreatable HIV are popping up — right here in Maine. (See "All Methed Up," by David Bernstein, at www.bostonphoenix.com, for more on the meth scene in Boston.)

"Sometimes I really think that we’re at fault. If you look at the advertisements [for HIV drugs] in the magazines, everyone is really healthy," says Sally Putnam, Nurse Coordinator for the AIDS Consultation Program at Maine Medical Center, of the malaise of some in the gay community when it comes to safe sex and the environments in which some people are having sex. "I really wish some people could come sit in here for a day and observe all the wasting, all the fat bellies. If we had those photos out there, maybe things would be a little different."

Putnam is not a casual observer. She sees just about everyone in the Portland area who has been diagnosed with HIV, and from those people she is able to glean a certain amount of information about what’s happening on the outside. And she is disturbed because what she sees is a complicated, multi-faceted problem that in many ways dwarfs the issues that once surrounded the spread of AIDS.

First, there’s that 800-pound gorilla called crystal meth, which has been around for a very long time, but has just recently snuck its way into Maine’s gay community.

"I’d say in terms of new diagnoses, most of the people who come in are doing something, and it’s usually crystal meth," says Putnam. "It’s scary dealing with addition, and meth is very, very addictive. A lot of people become addicted to the crystal and then addicted to the sex. It’s so complicated and very disturbing, because I’ve been doing this for 15 years and I really haven’t seen anything quite like this."

It’s easy to understand the addiction. I tried crystal meth just once while visiting, get this, Ogunquit. I had been out to dinner and was just about to sleep off my last glass of port when a friend begged me to go out. He had something that would pep me up. The second the meth hit my nostril, I was a rock star and, by the time I made it to the only club in town that was open, I wanted to hump everything in sight. As the night whirred on at the speed of sound, I eventually did hook up, and proceeded to go at it for about five hours (anyone who knows me intimately is quite aware that this is way out of character).

Nonetheless, the action ended, but the high didn’t. I didn’t want to eat, couldn’t sleep, and, by the time I started to crash, I simply wanted someone to drive a stake through my heart. I was anxious, bitterly depressed, and sweating profusely for almost a week.

I’m not the person health officials are concerned with, though. I used a condom, and it was a solitary experience. No, those who create the most caution more similarly reflect the sexual appetite of, say, the anonymous guy in New York City who now has HIV and claims to have used meth while having unsafe sex with hundreds of men, day after day and week after week. Just about every news source in the world, including the New York Times reported that his case was odd and scary — he’s the one who got the strain of AIDS that skips right over the HIV stage (usually 10 years) and, within two to 10 months, he had full-blown AIDS. What worries health-care officials is the simple math: crystal meth + unsafe sex x "hundreds of men" = well, let’s just say that the number could balloon.

Sure enough, like AIDS, crystal meth is killing gay men, because, unlike AIDS, crystal meth is actually a catalyst for gay men to have unprotected, risky, and rough sex with multiple partners for hours and even days on end.

And, unlike AIDS, some gay men who have traditionally rallied to support their comrades in times of trouble are turning a blind eye to what is quickly eroding a community that, to a large part, was bolstered by its reaction to fighting AIDS.

"Yes, it’s a public-health crisis, disaster perhaps, and there’s no simple solution because it’s not something that can be easily stopped. It requires everyone to chip in and be as conscientious and kind and supportive as they can be," says Jon Vincent, the coordinator of the new Club Drug Initiative, a collaboration between Fenway Community Health, AIDS Action Committee, and a number of other local organizations in Boston.

"It’s heartbreaking for me to see people who have come together and done such great work at mitigating public-health disasters [like AIDS] now sort of fall off and contribute to [the spread of] something as dangerous as crystal meth."

Meth has been around for a long time — and not just since the heady club explosion of the early ’90s when it emerged in places like New York City and Miami — but now health officials in the Boston area are using words like "epidemic" and "rampant" to describe this upper that has been linked to everything from acute, long-term depression to heart attack to an anecdotal spike in HIV transmission.

Crystal meth, which is made from a mélange of toxic ingredients including lantern fuel and drain cleaner, is marked by an inexpensive but lengthy high with a crash so severe that guys will take more to avoid it.

Some say that at the same time that meth takes its toll on individual lives, the uniquely addictive upper has the potential for taking down entire pieces of gay culture.

"Sometimes it seems to me that crystal meth can be as big an epidemic for the gay community as HIV," says Vincent. "It’s really on that level because, in my opinion, it seems specifically tailored in a sense to the gay man. It boosts up your feeling of self-esteem and other stuff that you might be lacking that may have made you feel oppressed by society up to that point.

"It’s a very ritualized drug; it’s part of the culture. People are getting high, and having sex without rubbers. I think it is being very, very destructive to the gay community because it’s so unlike any other drug and that’s really unfortunate. Yes, I think it has the potential to unravel part of the gay community. It’s an epidemic in line with HIV in terms of being pointedly destructive to our community."

Health officials in Maine, including Noel Bonam, the manager for the Health and Human Services Department for the city of Portland, and Jed Barnum, the Men’s Health Coordinator at the Frannie Peabody Center, are worried, too.

"I’d say we’re afraid," says Bonam. "It’s not as huge [a problem] as in Boston or New York City, but we see it trending this way. I can’t say a percentage, but there is definitely an increase in use. It’s definitely here and we’re seeing it more and more."

And, more and more, says Bonam, meth use is leading to a spike in HIV and other STDs. He says that the number of people contracting syphilis in Maine is up; his office saw two cases of LGV, a rare form of chlamydia that has been re-emerging in the gay community in the past month; and , most worrisome, the number of HIV cases related to crystal use is increasing, says Bonam.

One local health official who wished to remain anonymous said that, just recently, an individual was diagnosed with a drug-resistant, highly aggressive strain of HIV that was very similar to that which was reportedly contracted by that anonymous man in New York City last month.

And, the Portland patient "was definitely using meth," reported the source.

Bonam, who is currently working with focus groups in Portland to evaluate the proliferation of dangerous drugs and their connection to STDs in the gay community, told the Phoenix that he doesn’t believe that meth use is peaking in Portland — yet.

"I have to admit that I haven’t seen a lot [of meth use] socially or anecdotally, it really isn’t a hometown drug like pot or cocaine," he says. "But it will make its way here. I’ve been working with the Bureau of Health for about a year now and we’ve had discussions with all the AIDS service organizations in the state — my perspective is when it does hit the state, we’ll be prepared for it unlike the rest of the US. What we’re hearing now is that a lot of young people are using it and people are traveling to Boston and New York City, doing it, and coming back."

That said, some people aren’t traveling far at all for their sex or their drugs.

According to Putnam, sex parties organized around crystal meth and Viagra, which causes the epic erection that is often lost in the meth rush, are becoming more prevalent in Portland. She says that the people who frequent the parties aren’t the ones who are coming in to be tested: They already know they are at risk and don’t care.

"We know that there are a lot of people being infected this way by tracking Web sites," she says.

But most stunning of all, "There are a lot of people out there who want to get HIV; they want people to ‘poz’ them; and the phenomenon is pretty big," she says. Putnam says that she and her colleagues are anecdotally aware of at least three large groups, although no one knows how large, in Southern Maine who get together a few times a week for such sex parties.

Knowing that I probably wouldn’t be welcome at any of these parties, I turned to Manhunt.net, one of the sites that may be used as a portal for organizing such gatherings. I asked for information about these parties.

Anecdotal information started to fill my in-box. One guy told me he really gets into bare backing (unprotected anal sex) and, just recently, he was at a party where he overheard a couple of guys who were trying to get HIV so that they could increase their financial aid for college. Of course, this is email and the Internet, where anonymity reigns and verification is difficult.

Another respondent, identifying himself as a 43-year-old gay retired local police officer who’s been to a number of sex parties, had this to say about crystal meth: "It is a cancer growing on the community as a whole. It is changing . . . the outward perception of the gay community in Portland and Southern Maine." He added his thoughts on who is using and why. "Teenagers who believe that it intensifies the moment. These are the same guys, late teens to mid-twenties, who are not that concerned about becoming infected OR infecting others. Their belief is that, ‘I’ll just have to take some pills for the rest of my life. It’s worth the extra intensity of bare backing, seeding, etc.’ "

Although a disturbing, and perhaps overblown, topic, the concept of "seeding" someone with HIV is fascinating and I wanted to know more.

He responded: "The parties were, umm, different. I saw all kinds of things. Bare backing was/is the norm. Most parties would provide lube [and LOTS of it] and porn. While I have bare backed on most occasions, I have noticed an awful lot of the ‘Abercrombie Strain’ at these sex parties. In no time at all, the clothes (usually expensive ones at that) are flying off the well muscled and perfectly tanned torsos of little Johnny and the rest of the old football gang from school. No protection, other than pulling out and shooting their loads on each other," the officer said with an obvious amount of hyperbole, adding more about the so-called "Abercrombie strain" which is apparently as much a way of life as it is a reference to HIV.

"It’s a club. It’s a status thing, It’s fucking insanity! It starts with someone finding a poz subject, and then passing him around the group. Then, the youngsters break-off onto their own and go back to their normal humping-and-fucking-and-sucking routines."

He adds that he has also had contact with many HIV-positive men who seek "prey."

"And the curious thing I have noticed as of late is that the ‘prey’ . . . are usually bi-sexual married men. How fair is this?

"I have, on three occasions, met some real, honest-to-goodness-right-out-of-the-County kids who have told me, and this is the scary part, that they came all the way to Southern Maine in order to get ‘seeded,’ the term I hear more and more these days. These young men are going around with the belief that all will be well as long as they take their meds after becoming infected."

It’s important to remember that those are the observations of only one individual and, like crystal use and seeding sex parties, no real empirical data exists to qualify or disqualify his remarks. There are, however, similar accounts.

Another man, who identified as 45 and "highly educated" said that, as an HIV-positive man, he is often solicited on the Internet to "seed" others.

"Just tonight on [manhunt.net] someone was begging me to fuck him without a condom. I have had others who don’t know their status and don’t care to know and want unprotected sex — some guys, typically younger, just want to be infected so they can relax about it," he said, adding that he doesn’t now, nor has he ever, used street or party drugs.

"I feel that many people use drugs freely at parties. I have several friends who became infected during a ‘drug period’ in their lives and now blame that phase of their life [for their HIV status]."

Juan Mendez, 46, from Ellsworth, and who goes by the moniker POZbttmpussy on Manhunt.net, says he used crystal meth for 15 years.

"The effects of it can get you so hot and horny that you will do anything to get laid. Whether it was in a back seat of a car or in a parking lot day or night, or just hanging in the bath house where it was non-stop action. I love the stuff way too much, and that is why I moved here. I really don’t know anyone around here who is using it. And if I did know anyone who was using, I would not try to associate myself with them ’cause I really don’t want to get back into habits that caused me to lose my job and my home and personal belongings," said Mendez, who admitted to once spending three weeks at a bath house for nonstop sex during one of his highs in San Francisco in the ’80s. Even so, he says that he is actually shocked by the attitude towards unsafe sex in Maine.

"[The boys] keep hitting me up to have unsafe sex with them so they can get infected. I don’t know what is wrong with the world today. I would hate to pass it on to someone else. People that are 19 to 35 have been asking me to infect them, and I REFUSE TO!!!"

In all, fewer than 20 people agreed to email about their experiences with drugs and sex parties, but a number of people cautiously acknowledged that the parties exist, that men, generally young guys, are looking to become infected, and that crystal meth is at the heart of it all.

Putnam says that the images of people living healthy lives with HIV, and reports of the efficacy of life-extending drugs, may contribute to carelessness surrounding HIV, but that’s not all.

"Yes, it’s the images," she says, "but it’s about more than that. It’s not about these people wanting to just have more sex. Some people are tired of trying to be careful and tired of just being vigilant . . . they just want to let go. The really sad thing is that it just creates a bunch of other issues. Once they stop worrying about their safety, they stop worrying about the safety of others and it just balloons. Getting HIV is certainly not the answer to any problem."

There is no simple answer to any of this behavior, says Vincent, but he does caution that readers should not assume that the phenomenon is anything but fringe.

"It would be hard for me to say why these particular people might want to become positive, but the anecdotal evidence does seem to indicate that a very small minority of gay and bisexual men wants to become infected with HIV. It might be because they want to belong. It might be because they view this as an opportunity to get what they feel is a painful but inevitable experience over with," he says. "There is a lack of vision involved in this plan, though. HIV is a permanent, devastating illness that is likely to affect these guys for the rest of their lives."

He reiterates that, like other times throughout their history, it will be gay men who are called upon to stem the tide.

"I hope as members of the community that we can help educate these people and offer them a more optimistic view of their personal futures. It is our obligation to do this. Their health contributes to the health of the larger community, and, in turn, a healthy community promotes the health of its individual members," says Vincent. "I believe this is the future we should all be working towards and I think if we engage each other in informed, constructive and compassionate ways around the issues of HIV infection and substance abuse that we will get there."

What’s the alternative?
 
Dr. J said:
^^^First of all, use fucking paragraph breaks.



Have you actually read any literature on the relationship between HIV and crystal meth? No similar relationship exists between alcohol use and HIV infection.
OH MY FUCKING GOD. Your gonna say that their is no proof of people using alcohol and being more likely to have unprotected sex??? Look at all the fucking drunk drivers, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out alcohol fucks with your judgement, most people going to bars are either alcoholics, or trying to get some ass, gay or straight of course a lot of people also go out with friends to have fun, but even a lot of them are trying to get laid. If it wasn't for alcohol, I don't think any of my friends would get laid half the time. They also seem to be more likely to do stupid shit with girls when they are drunk.
Also, were not in fucking school, so why don't stick to attacking my ideas instead of my grammer.

Dr. J said:

Legalizing meth is not the answer. Gays use meth regardless of its status, regardless of its purity. It's the associated behaviors that accompany its use that is the problem.
HIV caused from sharing needles would be reduced, as would making the meth safer, from the begining I thought this was ment towards HIV from sharing needles, as that is a big problem with heroin in other countries as well as the US.



Dr. J said:

This only solidifies the obvious realization that you don't know what you're talking about. Don't try to post about topics which you clearly have no grasp.
First off I'm in the Northeast Coast and meth is not a problem here, as it is really rare. We do have a problem with people sharing needles and AIDS. It is the same problem their with IV use and AIDS, except there, people have unsafe sex, and want to use something to take the responsibilty from themselves. Unsafe sex if cause condoms sucks dick, not cause of the meth. Meth might increase the risk on unsafe sex, but if your responisble, your not going to do it.
 
Also, were not in fucking school, so why don't stick to attacking my ideas instead of my grammer.

It's hard to read, physically, on the eyes, when you don't put paragraph breaks in your post. Moreover, your poor grammar detracts from whatever argument it is you are trying to make.

So, you're right - I'll leave your grammar alone...it sort of speaks for itself.

OH MY FUCKING GOD. Your gonna say that their is no proof of people using alcohol and being more likely to have unprotected sex???

That's not what I said at all. You, however, are trying to link alcohol use and HIV infection rates among gay men in the same manner as has been studied/proven numerous times over specifically with gays and crystal meth.

While alcohol abuse among any segment of the population is certainly a problem, it in absolutely no way negatively affects the gay community with such directness and severity as crystal meth.

First off I'm in the Northeast Coast and meth is not a problem here, as it is really rare.

You live in the Northeast and meth is rare?? Wow, I'd love to know what part of the Northeast Coast has escaped this drug?
 
Aside from this whole problem, legalization isn't the best idea, but is the only thing that will ever solve all the problems keeping drugs illegal cause. The problem is that most people don't realize the real risks of drugs. If the legalized heroin and gave people devices to administer narcan when the heart stopped, or slowed down from the users using too much. That right their would stop all the ODs from heroin and other opiates. There also would no longer be any risk of HIV from sharing needles, nor would their be any more innocent victims getting gunned down by dealers confronting people. The bad neighborhoods would be safer for the people that live there, no more junkies robbing to support their habbit, no more FARC, no more drug related crime. Most people that support the drug war don't know both sides of the story, they don't know about living like a junkie, losing friends to doses that were too big, watching friends get takin to prison for years cause he was selling drugs to support his habbit. They don't know how hard it is to hussle money, being sick, and how much pain it causes your family cause they hate watching you lose everything cause how expensive a habit is. They also don't know how easy drugs are to get, especially in poor communities. The problem is in your face in black communities, and most of those same people don't give a fuck about addicts, didn't give a fuck about Rwanda, didn't give a fuck about the HIV epedemic in Africa, they don't give a fuck about the prison population cause they don't give a fuck about any of those niggers, nor the trailer trash meth cooks. They just care about imposing their opinion onto you. When it all comes down to it though, the government has no right to tell us what we can and can't do to our own bodies and if your really "pro-choice" than you should believe in legalization cause this isn't even as serious as a babies life, this is our body and our mind, and we arean't slaves to anyone, so we shouldn't be treated like one.
 
New Jersey has the purest heroin, has most every other drug any other state has, but meth isn't very big here. It isn't big in NYC either. We don't live in the sticks and it isn't easy to cook it here. If two consenting people want to have unprotected sex, its on them. Wanting to make meth illegal is like trying to outlaw unprotected sex, it will never work #1 and #2 its the government inside of our house, and is violating our rights.
 
Gay meth abuse is in no way as big a problem as alcohol abuse for the majority of people. Meth abuse all together isn't as big a problem as alcohol abuse. Also, the big problem with meth isn't from meth, its from lack of sleep, lack of food, and could be solved with sleep medication.
 
Also, the big problem with meth isn't from meth, its from lack of sleep, lack of food, and could be solved with sleep medication.

*throws hands in the air*

You very clearly do not understand this problem. Any further discussion will be lost on you. Please, please, do some independent reading, starting with the article I posted above. You'd be very surprised at what you might discover.
 
Dr. J said:
So, we should leave all the folks in Africa to die because, by god, they know that theirs is the worst area for AIDS and if they're having sex, it's their fault, we should just leave them the fuck alone?

Give me a break.

Actually a very strong "myth" in Africa says that having sex with a virgin rids you of the aids...
 
^^ What point are you trying to make?? Please elaborate...
 
That they're very uneducated, even MISeducated about AIDS and sex..
was referring to this : "they know that theirs is the worst area for AIDS and if they're having sex, it's their fault"
 
Dr. J said:
*throws hands in the air*

You very clearly do not understand this problem. Any further discussion will be lost on you. Please, please, do some independent reading, starting with the article I posted above. You'd be very surprised at what you might discover.
What can I say, I don't roll with any gay people, and I don't roll with any bi-people, I do know that if this problem is a sex problem, its a sex problem, if its a drug problem, its a drug problem. You might as well start bitching about how permiscuas guys are, shit if every girl in the world was a slut willing to have sex raw dawg, AIDS would have wiped out the population by now. I explained how I misinterpreted the issue with IV use, if these people are so irresponsible while tweaking, why do the bulk of them have enough sense to not share their gear with 20 people, yet are dumb enough to fuck 200 dudes in a week with no rubber. The same shit was happening prior to the AIDS epidemic, its an attitude problem, not a drug problem. Also, just out of curiosity how long have you been clean from your meth use/gay unprotected sex. Cause I have talked to a ton of tweakers that don't seem to have the same problem, none of them are gay though. Using your drug of choice, or your addiction as a shield does nothing but put the problem off onto other people. These people did this shit reguardlessly of how tweaked they are, they have noone to blame but themselves for #1 fucking more people in 1 week than most straight people fuck in a lifetime, and #2 doing the shit without a condom. The people that he fucked were just as guilty, but this is more of the gay lifestyle than the tweaker lifestyle. Also, you really don't understand how much meth psycosis really fucks you up, and if you are a meth addict unless you sleep everyday, you will experience this. I never tried meth, I did however go on coke binges for several days, and the lack of sleep always fucked me up more than the coke. As for independent research, I don't give a fuck about any self inflicted harm people cause on themselves, ever gay tweaker could fuck ever other gay tweaker, its a "free" country. This seems like more of a gay issue than a drug issue anyway. I was just commenting that you shouldn't blame an inanimate object for some asshole fucking 5k guys with no rubber. He can be drunk, tweaking, or high, it doesn't matter they have yet to make a drug that takes away all of your decision making properties.
 
If these people didn't have meth available, they'd be using some other drug to enhance their sex.
 
*me* looks @ Limpet Chicken and laughes uncontrollably....

your the one who is becoming extinct...you homophobic FOCKER!!!
 
Dr. J said:
So, we should leave all the folks in Africa to die because, by god, they know that theirs is the worst area for AIDS and if they're having sex, it's their fault, we should just leave them the fuck alone?

Condoms are harder to come by in Africa, while American gays are just choosing not to use them.
 
Crazeee said:
It's all around us, on a daily basis, and it is wrecking gay men's lives every day

Crystal Crisis

By Mubarak Dahir, AlterNet.
Posted April 18, 2005.

Just like communism, except this time the evil only targets gay men!

Dont worry guys, as long as youre straight you can stave off the menace!
 
twgburst said:
What can I say, I don't roll with any gay people, and I don't roll with any bi-people, I do know that if this problem is a sex problem, its a sex problem, if its a drug problem, its a drug problem. You might as well start bitching about how permiscuas guys are, shit if every girl in the world was a slut willing to have sex raw dawg, AIDS would have wiped out the population by now. I explained how I misinterpreted the issue with IV use, if these people are so irresponsible while tweaking, why do the bulk of them have enough sense to not share their gear with 20 people, yet are dumb enough to fuck 200 dudes in a week with no rubber. The same shit was happening prior to the AIDS epidemic, its an attitude problem, not a drug problem. Also, just out of curiosity how long have you been clean from your meth use/gay unprotected sex. Cause I have talked to a ton of tweakers that don't seem to have the same problem, none of them are gay though. Using your drug of choice, or your addiction as a shield does nothing but put the problem off onto other people. These people did this shit reguardlessly of how tweaked they are, they have noone to blame but themselves for #1 fucking more people in 1 week than most straight people fuck in a lifetime, and #2 doing the shit without a condom. The people that he fucked were just as guilty, but this is more of the gay lifestyle than the tweaker lifestyle. Also, you really don't understand how much meth psycosis really fucks you up, and if you are a meth addict unless you sleep everyday, you will experience this. I never tried meth, I did however go on coke binges for several days, and the lack of sleep always fucked me up more than the coke. As for independent research, I don't give a fuck about any self inflicted harm people cause on themselves, ever gay tweaker could fuck ever other gay tweaker, its a "free" country. This seems like more of a gay issue than a drug issue anyway. I was just commenting that you shouldn't blame an inanimate object for some asshole fucking 5k guys with no rubber. He can be drunk, tweaking, or high, it doesn't matter they have yet to make a drug that takes away all of your decision making properties.


This is really beating a dead horse, you obviously refuse to listen to anybody on the topic, but it's hard to resist regardless. You state you yourself have never tried meth, don't know any gay or bi people, yet at the same time you claim to understand the issue better than most?

For the record, meth makes you randy as a mofo, much more than booze, gay or straight. You can go for hours non-stop. Both the drug by itself and the secondary results of sleep deprivation affect one's judgment even more than alcohol (hard to belive that's even possible, but this is coming from first-hand experience).

And for the record, yes I've tried meth. And I hate both alcohol and shards, they are both evil drugs imo. Should it be a scapegoat for risky behavior? Of course not, I don't think anybody is claiming that.

Is it a contributing factor? I think most of us know the answer to that, but obviously some of us refuse to listen.

I think what everyone should take out of this is that education is needed regarding this drug, especially within this rising sub-class of gay males. Are they responsible for their own actions? Indeed they are, like everybody. Should we therefore ignore the problem and let them eradicate themselves? You have obviously formed your opinion on that, very humane of you. While we are at it, lets just shut off the valve of all harm reduction/education of any of the potentially dangerous effects of any drug, because like, drug users are asking for it, so we should let them :/
 
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