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Crude oil 4 aco dmt (can it be smoked or vaped)

Qnick said:
I've gotta say though, props to this vendor for including an HNMR that wasn't just a copy of a pure sample's NMR.
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I guess, their money would have been better spent having this stuff purified chromatographically instead of running an NMR on it. Like I said earlier in the thread, it doesn't make much sense: an NMR instrument costs like 3/4 of a million dollars and an HPLC costs like 30-40 thousand, so surely anyone who has access to an NMR also has the capability to do preparative chromatography.. I must say these half-ass gray area people behave in odd ways.

The main hazards of ethyl acetate are that it is highly flammable, severely irritating to eyes, causes skin dryness and cracking, and the vapours cause dizziness. It's not really that toxic, but I would avoid consuming it... especially via vaporizing, because if it causes skin cracking its probably pretty bad for your lungs.

The main thing I would be worried about is that 4-BnO-DMT stuff, that extra aromatic ring could be bad news. TBH I might not even be worried about consuming a tiny bit of EtOAc, but I would be pretty worried about consuming any of this precursor. There's really no telling what effect it could have, AFAIK its totally untested in man.
 
Well that puts me off of smoking it but that's why I love this place.

I put a couple of drops of this shit on tinfoil cause I thought I could maybe evaporate the ethyl acetate if left overnight. At first it was very liquid and spread out into a circle with very thick edges and a thin center like the material was being pushed out of the center. Now that it's dried it's a very thick goop so I guess the majority of the solvent (the ethyl acetate in this case) is gone and that only leaves that 4-BnO-DMT to worry about.

I understand it has no history of human use but is there any reason to believe it is toxic? What makes it so different from other 4 substituted tryptamines? Is it possible that it has it's own unique psychoactive effects or Is it completely unwanted being a precursor, I mean I realize that ideally it would have all been converted to 4 aco dmt and cleaned up but is it possible that this stuff exists on good 4 aco dmt like in the. 99% pure stuff in quantities of less than 1%?

I'm realize I'm kinda grasping at straws at this point but I said ibwas going to try and smoke this and I don't wanna go back on my word, even if it's not the safest thing to do.
 
Sigh. I'm really not trying to be a dickhead here. Really, I'm not.
But god damn, you have absolutely no one telling you this is a good idea. Vast majority leaning towards it being a BAD idea. You have been told that there are potentially hazardous byproducts/precursors/solvents in it. And you're still considering this because you 'don't want to go back on your word'?
There is no data to be gleaned from this situation that would further our understanding of anything positive. Why do it? There is nothing good to be gained here. This is not furthering scientific understanding of any kind.
I don't see it as being too far different from knowing your cocaine has levamisole in it and IM/IVing it anyway because you 'want to see what it does'. Perhaps we'll discover the new MPTP here.

But by all means, go for it. :!:!:!:!
 
Echoing the two posters above: don't do it! The only way to make the RC scene a more respectable place is by demanding outstanding quality at all times. You may suffer serious harm in a nontrivial way (i.e. unlike behaving safely in traffic which obviously still carries some risk).
 
Lol and if that is in fact BnODMT the sheer size of the CH2 peak (one of those peaks around 4ppm) would make me very wary since it accounts for a large amount of what is in your 'product'. The integration of that peak (the number under it) dwarfs that for the peaks that ought to correspond to 4-AcO-DMT meaning that this largely BnODMT (or whatever that is).

And seriously? don't want to go back on your word? For whose sake? It's not like any of us will be mad at you, go back on your word to yourself?
 
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Smokey McPot said:
I understand it has no history of human use but is there any reason to believe it is toxic? What makes it so different from other 4 substituted tryptamines? Is it possible that it has it's own unique psychoactive effects or Is it completely unwanted being a precursor, I mean I realize that ideally it would have all been converted to 4 aco dmt and cleaned up but is it possible that this stuff exists on good 4 aco dmt like in the. 99% pure stuff in quantities of less than 1%?

I'm realize I'm kinda grasping at straws at this point but I said ibwas going to try and smoke this and I don't wanna go back on my word, even if it's not the safest thing to do.
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Okay, first of all: please don't smoke this stuff. I really hope that you don't ingest this stuff, period. You're obviously free to do whatever you want, but if you live your life with such low regard for your personal safety you will pay the price for it eventually.

Anyways, I just did a literature search and there is only 1 reference in all of the existing literature for a toxicological or biological study on 4-BnO-DMT. The study was from like 1962 or something, so I had to library loan it and won't even be able to see it for a few days. For all I know, it could say very little about the compound-- it reviews a whole series of 4-subbed tryptamines.

Nevertheless, the reason I said it looks nasty is because of the benzyl group-- benzyl moieties are very reactive because they can form resonance stabilized cations. I don't have the biological knowledge to offer conjecture as to what the specific metabolites of 4-BnO-DMT might be. Perhaps somebody more knowledgeable in that regard could offer some insight.
 
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Yea, not worth the risk. Just find another vendor with pure finished product. Shouldn't be too hard. Don't be in too big a hurry just to have "an experience" when it means putting your health or life at risk... it smacks of desperation of some kind.

But I second kudos to the vendor for having and providing the NMRI. They ought not be even providing such a mess even as a "free sample". True, all of their supplies are provided Not For Human Consumption I am sure. And perhaps someone would be interested in it to actually do chemical experiments on, but 99.99% of buyers are going to be ingesting it and I am sure they know that so it seems improper to be sending this out, IMHO.
 
Roger&Me said:
I guess, their money would have been better spent having this stuff purified chromatographically instead of running an NMR on it. Like I said earlier in the thread, it doesn't make much sense: an NMR instrument costs like 3/4 of a million dollars and an HPLC costs like 30-40 thousand, so surely anyone who has access to an NMR also has the capability to do preparative chromatography.. I must say these half-ass gray area people behave in odd ways.
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I hear ya man, if anything I think I represents a severe disrespect towards their customers.

OP- please listen to the many people here giving you their advise, if you must consume/vaporize 4-aco-dmt use a purer sample or do the research to do your own liquid chromatography purification.
 
Well I decided against smoking any of this for the time being and ended up doing a bunch of 2ci instead. I still wanna try it but I'm not sure what to do with all this shit but I'm gonna put It away for a little bit, it's probably for the best.

I feel bad about going back on my word to myself cause I said I would do it and now I feel like im kinda chickening out even though I know its not good for me I'm just as sure that it won't be lethal or anything If I try it once and knowing me I'll probably end up trying it on an impulse sooner or later it just wasn't today.
 
Smokey McPot said:
I feel bad about going back on my word to myself cause I said I would do it and now I feel like im kinda chickening out even though I know its not good for me I'm just as sure that it won't be lethal or anything If I try it once and knowing me I'll probably end up trying it on an impulse sooner or later it just wasn't today.
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Being safe isn't 'chickening out', and you say you know it's not good for you but you're sure its not lethal... There's absolutely no way you can know this. You have no foundation for this at all. And even if it doesn't kill you, who knows about potential toxicity or if it's carcinogenic.

You don't even know if the NMR is indeed your sample, just that the NMR is of a very poorly purified product.

Please take a step back and rethink rationalizing not taking this drug as 'chickening out' for your own sake.
 
This thread has kind of erked me.... especially smoky mcpot or whatever his name is, and really just knowing in general that some people think its worth putting their health at risk for a trivial drug experience... that's pretty sad.

Some people just have the weirdest perspective on these drugs, like they're a child who has just stumbled upon a box full of toys. Well they're not toys and if you treat them as such the results likely won't be pleasant for you. Wake up, this is a high-risk activity: you're ingesting gray-area chemicals of unknown providence that you purchased via the internet. If you act like a child and go munching these chemicals indiscriminately, your death might be the subject of our next cautionary sticky thread.
 
Smokey McPot said:
I feel bad about going back on my word to myself cause I said I would do it and now I feel like im kinda chickening out even though I know its not good for me I'm just as sure that it won't be lethal or anything If I try it once and knowing me I'll probably end up trying it on an impulse sooner or later it just wasn't today.
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Not to be a dick, but shit are you two or an extremist or something? You feel bad about going back on something useless between yourself and no one else that could have caused your death? Sounds about right......and Roger&Me is spot, this thread is very sad as well as a dash of frightening. 8( You must really not value your life if you feel like a chicken for not taking an attempt to kill yourself.
 
I just got some of this in the mail and this thread has me worried.

It's very dark and has an almost nail polish-like scent coming off of it (the solvent I imagine). What's the deal with this 4-BnO-DMT stuff? What kind of risks are we talking here?

I think I might try a low dose and see if I notice any qualitative differences between this and pure. I haven't heard anything negative about the vendor. Maybe I'll contact them for more info.
 
Did you read this thread? First of I'm not even sure if I believe that is 4-BnO-DMT as the integration are all completely wrong for it so who knows what it is. It's enough to be putting a random powder you got from some hopefully trustworthy lab in china into your body... but a known impure sample that is Largely not 4-AcO-DMT?
 
So it's known to be largely not 4-aco-dmt, rather than the 75% purity as claimed by the vendor?

I dunno, the vendor seems trustworthy based on SoS reports. I know damn well it's a stupid risk to take… but it's one that I'm liable to take.
 
Einzige said:
So it's known to be largely not 4-aco-dmt, rather than the 75% purity as claimed by the vendor?

I dunno, the vendor seems trustworthy based on SoS reports. I know damn well it's a stupid risk to take… but it's one that I'm liable to take.
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The vendor should be hanged by barbed wire for releasing this junk, full well knowing theres people in the RC community that would actually consume it. :X
 
They say it's 75% pure with 10% intermediary. Does that mean psilocin? Or what it's suspended in?

Regardless, I'll be the lab rat for this one. Hell, what if it's harmless?
 
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