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Craving thread – v. Hold On

This is VERY helpful.

stardust.hero said:
I havn't had what I call the hunger type of craving in about a week. My boyfriend put something into perspective for me which was really helpful.

I used to enjoy Mephedrone and rolling in general (unhealthy binging episodes for days kind of thing). One night about 3 years ago he and I and a group of about 7 of our friends went to a spot by the bay (in NJ) and for some reason I was convinced since one of them was back from TX (a lot of backstory but irrelevant) everyone was rolling. I sat there all night miserable complaining to him that everyone was rolling and I wasn't.

I was talking to my boyfriend about how much I love heroin and I am sure the hunger for it will never die and he reminded me of that night. At this day in time I can be offered a "roll" and turn it down. I infact don't even like those types of drugs anymore. For some reason it awakened me. I won't always hunger for it. Because I remember at that time (with our friends) that same hunger was very real and very similar to what I feel about opiates today.

It's been an amazing revelation that I feel set free. Since he's told me this my entire mindset has changed. Yes I still do love heroin but I no longer believe that I will be in this state forever. I will get better and I will refuse it. It hasn't taken away my cravings or love completely but something in me did change.

So for any if you out there can get anything from that like I did I hope you can relate. Perhaps you've been addicted to another substance that you now find repulsive. Just remember that and where you are at now. It was so easy for me to get trapped in my own mind and believe I could never get out of it. But things will always change. <3

Hold on guys <3
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stardust.hero said:
I was talking to my boyfriend about how much I love heroin and I am sure the hunger for it will never die and he reminded me of that night. At this day in time I can be offered a "roll" and turn it down. I infact don't even like those types of drugs anymore. For some reason it awakened me. I won't always hunger for it. Because I remember at that time (with our friends) that same hunger was very real and very similar to what I feel about opiates today.

It's been an amazing revelation that I feel set free. Since he's told me this my entire mindset has changed. Yes I still do love heroin but I no longer believe that I will be in this state forever. I will get better and I will refuse it. It hasn't taken away my cravings or love completely but something in me did change.

So for any if you out there can get anything from that like I did I hope you can relate. Perhaps you've been addicted to another substance that you now find repulsive. Just remember that and where you are at now. It was so easy for me to get trapped in my own mind and believe I could never get out of it. But things will always change. <3

Hold on guys <3
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I can relate
Your lover man helped me out a lot with some very drastic incite

I'm still doing good and a lot of it is on account of you and him, thank you guize so much for friendship and support
 
Well, today would have been day 13 without psychs or stims, and I screwed the pooch, and the pooch was loose.

The cravings were hitting me in the sense of: "Hey man, you know what? You don't need to take as much this time, man. Your tolerance went down, and now you don't have to use so much. Just do it once in a while, you know, man?" Well, those kind of demons at my ear and when I saw the nasal spray in my truck and remember that it contained ethylphenidate, at a pretty good proportion of, one spray and it is effective--I used. Feeling crappy about it. It was yesterday. I KNOW that if I'd had more, I would have used more. Well. Interestingly, I had some drinks in social company (I convinced myself that a social event is excusable) anyway.

Just for today... I never gave it a chance. This time I will.

Black dragon from hell, I curse thee and lament the day I ever let you touch my soul.
 
Just A Guy said:
Well, today would have been day 13 without psychs or stims, and I screwed the pooch, and the pooch was loose.

The cravings were hitting me in the sense of: "Hey man, you know what? You don't need to take as much this time, man. Your tolerance went down, and now you don't have to use so much. Just do it once in a while, you know, man?" Well, those kind of demons at my ear and when I saw the nasal spray in my truck and remember that it contained ethylphenidate, at a pretty good proportion of, one spray and it is effective--I used. Feeling crappy about it. It was yesterday. I KNOW that if I'd had more, I would have used more. Well. Interestingly, I had some drinks in social company (I convinced myself that a social event is excusable) anyway.

Just for today... I never gave it a chance. This time I will.

Black dragon from hell, I curse thee and lament the day I ever let you touch my soul.
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Step 1.. admitting you are powerless. It's a doozy I agree. We've all felt those feelings. Very difficult to accept you can't moderate.

You caved, but you came back here, realizing it was a mistake. That's a good sign. Learn from it.
 
What do you do?

What do you do when you get cravings?

I'm just wanting ideas to play around with when I have cravings.

What I do now is play xbox(360) online. I play CoD and Battlefield so if any gamers come across this that wanna play, just hit me up. (GT: ElitexGHOSTx187 or ElitexGhostx187, I can't remember if I capitalized it all or not). But I have to cut back on my gaming so I need other ideas. I may lift weights or something cuz I got a few here at home but going to a gym isn't something I can do or afford right now and running isn't for me. I've been smoking cigs for like 8yrs and can't run for more than 2 min at a time haha.
 
Distractions are the only way.

If I still there and think about it it just makes me miserable.

Exercise, video games, and cooking are my biggest go-tos.
 
I like to read, mostly books on Buddhism, or some other philosophy such as Marcus Aurelius, or Thoreau;
the sort of writings that create a general sense of meditative state.

I also enjoy stretching, slow tai chi-like movement and sitting in meditation.

And watch Star Trek, the original series; for some reason every time I need to clean up it helps me keep my mind right.
It's full of good against evil scenarios, and good always wins.
 
Movement: stretching, yoga, swimming (good one), sex (another good one), walking outdoors, running, hiking--all of these help me immensely and take my mind off of how unhappy I am and how terrible I feel. Boxing would be a good one--punch away the discomfort.

Making stuff is also helpful. Cooking, drawing, make music, photography, any kind of art. Again, distract the mind completely. Creating stuff is a great way to occupy your brain and your time.

Anything you can do that pulls you out of the "I am in pain and I want to die" mindset, and changes it to a productive, positive one is going to help you. Nothing is worse than laying in bed obsessively thinking about how much your body hurts and muscles aches. We opiate addicts tend to do that often.

The best advice I can give you, which works without fail, is taking a hot bath or or shower, and stretching/doing yoga when you get out. Obviously if you have access to a hot tub you need to jump in that, asap. Yoga after a hottub/hot bath is a delicious, therapuetic gift you can give yourself during withdrawl.
 
Zwanya said:
Movement: stretching, yoga, swimming (good one), sex (another good one), walking outdoors, running, hiking--all of these help me immensely and take my mind off of how unhappy I am and how terrible I feel. Boxing would be a good one--punch away the discomfort.

Making stuff is also helpful. Cooking, drawing, make music, photography, any kind of art. Again, distract the mind completely. Creating stuff is a great way to occupy your brain and your time.

Anything you can do that pulls you out of the "I am in pain and I want to die" mindset, and changes it to a productive, positive one is going to help you. Nothing is worse than laying in bed obsessively thinking about how much your body hurts and muscles aches. We opiate addicts tend to do that often.

The best advice I can give you, which works without fail, is taking a hot bath or or shower, and stretching/doing yoga when you get out. Obviously if you have access to a hot tub you need to jump in that, asap. Yoga after a hottub/hot bath is a delicious, therapuetic gift you can give yourself during withdrawl.
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Sex isn't an option for me right now and won't be for a while:( since my fiancé is in rehab. I love to draw but every time I sit down to do it, I draw a blank and don't have ideas of what to draw. And yeah hot baths help me a lot with RLS but it hasn't been that bad lately for me to take a bath just to feel better. The RLS is starting to fade away, thank goodness. I've done nothing but lay in bed for the past week. I've been out of the house a couple times to go places with my dad and when I got to visit my fiancé on Sunday. But I can't go out by myself, my dad doesn't trust me going out anywhere right now but it's supposed to warm up this week and he's gonna make me go outside and work. We got a big bank in our back yard with a bunch of brush that needs to be cleared so il be doing that I'm kinda looking forward to it cuz it'll take my mind off things.
 
herbavore said:
Oxy_ghost, have you ever heard of zentangles? Basically it is doodling but this couple has come up with this name and they teach it as a sort of meditative practice as well as an artform. I found it when I was looking for a new project for my elementary age students and then I got so hooked on it I stayed up for hours just drawing patterns. Images can be seen here: https://www.google.com/search?q=zen...ntangles-sampler-this-time.html;1600;1163with
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Nah I've never heard of that but I checked out the link and that's a really good idea. I like drawing random designs and stuff so I think I'll give this a try. It looks fun and interesting. Thanks for posting that!

Thank you whoever merged this thread, I should've searched harder before creating a new one:/ but now I can find more ideas:)
 
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When I get cravings I just don't give into them, meditate, and let them pass. If it's for the taste of a certain type of alcohol I just remember how it tastes or if it's an Anise based drink I just make a chai with anise in it and drink it. If I'm craving a stimulant I just drink a very strong coffee or espresso based drink that I make.

I stay busy doing exercise, reading, some writing, cooking, cleaning, doing yardwork, getting rid of things to be donated to a thrift store or for people who need clothing, learning new languages, watching movies or TV, and meditation helps as well.

Good luck! The cravings do lessen or sort of go away after you stay sober for a long period of time.
 
DrinksWithEvil said:
dunno Moe when iI was on subs for six months that was worse than heroin withdrawal
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This is my experience. Suboxone lingers for so long, the acute withdrawal is an endurance race rather than the quick attack of cold turkey.

PAWS is what has caused me to fail in the past (over a dozen attempts, getting through the first few weeks of active withdrawal) so I'm looking for a way to mitigate that.

Currently taking Remeron, Abilify and Suboxone (almost finished taper).

Any pharmaceutical additions you've had or heard successful for PAWS/Suboxone detox? (I think I've got the therapeutic/social end figured out)
 
A shot of alcohol. Trying to cut out the morning drinking on my days off. And the night drinking I want to tone down\eliminate. For now kratom is keeping me from drinking much but I know I'm gonna get a tolerance to kratom at some point and I have to be comfortable with the mild buzz it gives me. That's the problem with anything. I always think how just one more hit and I'll be there and I'll feel really good. 2 problems with that 1. Its never enough 2. I should be thinking about how much better I would feel with one less hit. One less beer. Or whatever. Currently I'm just dealing with a drinking problem. I just don't want the stress of me cutting out booze to lead to relapsing on dip, cigs, or anything else I've put so much time into quitting.

I rode my bike a lot, went to an AA meeting, went grocery shopping, and had a long lunch with my mom. Anything to not drink. Maybe I'll call grandma.
 
^^I think that is a dopamine type response^^
Dopamine release results in the promise of result, without ever quite realizing said result.
I get the same thing whenever I use cocaine...
 
m060mm said:
This is my experience. Suboxone lingers for so long, the acute withdrawal is an endurance race rather than the quick attack of cold turkey.

PAWS is what has caused me to fail in the past (over a dozen attempts, getting through the first few weeks of active withdrawal) so I'm looking for a way to mitigate that.

Currently taking Remeron, Abilify and Suboxone (almost finished taper).

Any pharmaceutical additions you've had or heard successful for PAWS/Suboxone detox? (I think I've got the therapeutic/social end figured out)
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Awsome:
Mirtazapine is sometimes prescribed as an appetite stimulant for cats experiencing anorexia due to medical conditions such as chronic kidney disease. It is especially useful for treating combined poor appetite and nausea in cats.. - Wiki
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But seriously, how is mirtazapine working for you? The reason I ask is that I found that an SNRI is very helpful to me in regard to the apathy and malise I associate with opiate withdrawal. This maybe due to the fact that neropeneprine is strongly associated with drive and reward (along with dopeamine, and less so, seratonin)

Also, may I ask the reason you are perscribed the Abilify? Basically I am asking if you take the antidepressant and the adjunct for anything prior to the addiction.As far as any other pharmacological options, gabapentin and clonodine will help a ton with the initial few weeks of the Sub detox.

When I quit Subs after about a half a year of taking them I found that switching to a shorter acting opiate for two weeks helped a shit load.
This may not be an option for everyone as some people find that they do not have the will power to stop afterwards.......



 
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ExInMil said:
Awsome:
But seriously, how is mirtazapine working for you?

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[/I]When I quit Subs after about a half a year of taking them I found that switching to a shorter acting opiate for two weeks helped a shit load.
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Frankly that's exactly what I wanted to hear, so I'll take it with a grain of salt.

Mirtazapine started as excellent. Now, a few months later, mirtazapine has good days and bad days - bad days ie. severe depression that feels completely untreated. I just have a thing against SSRI's, and they've proven useless in the past. They made me a hypochondriac (along with a shitty therapist/psychiatrist). Bupropion was great except that it obliterated my working memory.

An SNRI at a relatively moderate-high dose caused(?) auditory hallucinations which caused me to discontinue it. I'd had stuck with it, pleased with the results, otherwise. It did make me a little edgy.

Abilify is at an antidepressant-augmentation dose (5mg - I tried 3.33mg but it was a pain in the ass). The SNRI, mirtazapine and Abilify all started within my addiction, although I'd tried various (six or seven) other antidepressants before using heroin.

Thanks for the recommendation regarding clonidine (I've found very useful) and gabapentin (I've only abused, with heroin). I may try switching to a shorter acting opiate for two weeks, limiting the dose to only take away the notable withdrawal symptoms.

Mind sharing which short acting opiate you found useful?

Oh - and not that awesome. Mirtazapine caused me to gain 14% of my healthy bodyweight within the first few weeks before leveling off. It's all fat. Currently motivated to get back to exercising though, so..

Cheers
 
^^ If you do end up using a short acting opiate for a couple weeks, be careful! Don't use enough to get back into a habit.
 
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