Cocaine Crack Cocaine - Freebase Megathread

[mdjrzy23]

Crack IS pure coke, theoretically
The coke you snort is a salt. It has a hydrogen donated from H-Cl but cocaine base (crack) does not have the hydrogen

When you react cocaine HCl with baking soda, you should see bubbles forming. This is carbon dioxide leaving in the form of a gas, that's where the baking soda is going. It turned into a gas and any excess will be left in the water while the cocaine base turns into an oil that is not water soluble

The salt form is water soluble which is why you can snort or inject it

Ughhh either I’m not explaining correctly and yall are misunderstanding exactly what I’m asking or I’m just dumb. Understand I have zero knowledge of chemistry or any of that stuff. It sounds to me like you’re saying crack is actually more pure than powder cocaine, and with less bs in it. And if that is the case, why do people cook it down even more? What I’m trying to figure out is, how does it become or stay “crack”. What is holding all that coke together and making it hard? I’m not new to it, I’ve been smoking and IVing for years. I just never bothered to learn what’s actually going on with the product

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

Ughhh either I’m not explaining correctly and yall are misunderstanding exactly what I’m asking or I’m just dumb. Understand I have zero knowledge of chemistry or any of that stuff. It sounds to me like you’re saying crack is actually more pure than powder cocaine, and with less bs in it. And if that is the case, why do people cook it down even more? What I’m trying to figure out is, how does it become or stay “crack”. What is holding all that coke together and making it hard? I’m not new to it, I’ve been smoking and IVing for years. I just never bothered to learn what’s actually going on with the product

powder cocaine does not have any bs (if you mean baking soda) in it at all, usually

your question has already been answered in this thread - the freebase is an oil which hardens to a solid, it is produced by stripping the hcl molecule from the the cocaine hcl via reacting the cocaine hcl with an alkali like ammonia or baking soda.

There's a ton of info about this all over the internet. Cheers

 

[someguyontheinternet]

Its being held together by intermolecular interactions, mostly hydrophobic interactions is my guess but I could be wrong. Crack can be more pure, that's right. When the base is formed some of the cuts may not go along with the cocaine and will be left in the water but this depends on the method used to make it. If you're water whipping or cooking in a spoon (methods where you don't take the crack from the water after) everything will stay in the crack but if you use a method where the reaction is done in a bunch of water then anything water soluble will stay in the water and anything that gets converted to the non water soluble form (like is being done to the cocaine itself) will separate

You know how oil and water don't mix? Oil floats on top of water, right? That's because water forms hydrogen bonds with itself, this hydrogen bonding will exclude molecules that cannot form hydrogen bonds. A requirement for hydrogen bond forming is the presence of dipoles or ionic charges which cocaine lacks once you get rid of the HCl

See how the one on the right has a charge on the nitrogen? That's the water solubility magic

 

[mdjrzy23]

powder cocaine does not have any bs (if you mean baking soda) in it at all, usually

your question has already been answered in this thread - the freebase is an oil which hardens to a solid, it is produced by stripping the hcl molecule from the the cocaine hcl via reacting the cocaine hcl with an alkali like ammonia or baking soda.

There's a ton of info about this all over the internet. Cheers

By bs I mean filler…cut…whatever you want to call it. It ridiculous to think any of us are getting pure, unadulterated cocaine. I mean suppliers and dealers gotta make their money

 

[mdjrzy23]

Its being held together by intermolecular interactions, mostly hydrophobic interactions is my guess but I could be wrong. Crack can be more pure, that's right. When the base is formed some of the cuts may not go along with the cocaine and will be left in the water but this depends on the method used to make it. If you're water whipping or cooking in a spoon (methods where you don't take the crack from the water after) everything will stay in the crack but if you use a method where the reaction is done in a bunch of water then anything water soluble will stay in the water and anything that gets converted to the non water soluble form (like is being done to the cocaine itself) will separate

You know how oil and water don't mix? Oil floats on top of water, right? That's because water forms hydrogen bonds with itself, this hydrogen bonding will exclude molecules that cannot form hydrogen bonds. A requirement for hydrogen bond forming is the presence of dipoles or ionic charges which cocaine lacks once you get rid of the HCl

See how the one on the right has a charge on the nitrogen? That's the water solubility magic

I’m just retarded I guess. My brain is fried brother. I do understand I little better, and appreciate yall taking the time to explain it. In short, be fucking careful with any form of cocaine, and learn to cook on my own lol!

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

By bs I mean filler…cut…whatever you want to call it. It ridiculous to think any of us are getting pure, unadulterated cocaine. I mean suppliers and dealers gotta make their money

nope, there's plenty of excellent and very pure cocaine for sale on planet earth for sure, I guarantee that 100%. Depends on who ya know, as always

some crack has less cuts in it, some crack has plenty of cut left in it - it depends on the cut and if it freebases or not

 

[someguyontheinternet]

That's a question of the chemistry of whatever cut is being used. Some cuts won't undergo the reaction and will be left in the water but some will. That part is a bit of a gamble so unless you know exactly what cuts are being used its difficult to tell.

There are some methods of removing cuts like acetone washes, ether washes, and doing A/B extractions. Iirc cocaine HCl is insoluble or minimally soluble in dry (no water) acetone and ether but some cuts are so you can dissolve some cuts with those solvents while leaving the cocaine behind. Also when forming freebase, some cuts will form their base before (or after) cocaine base forms so if you time it right you can discard the cut bases while keeping the coke base.

This is due to the pka of the compounds you're dealing with. pka is simply a measure of how easily a molecule will give up the hydrogen and form the base, some do it more or less readily than cocaine so ones that give it up more easily form base before the cocaine does and can be discarded. There's no really good way to tell besides intuition after lots of practice if you don't have access to analytical instrumentation. If the base forming at first doesn't seem like normal coke base to you, you can set it aside from the mixture and then continue basifying

 

[siruspoolzx]

Had a question. When cooking with soda.
Anyways I had a few times where it just didn't separate. Anyways when dried out in the spoon it turned almost mushy. Anyways when heated back up it liquefied.
I tried today with that same issue, but decided to add more baking soda. Anyways it separated.
Was that my issue all along? Not adding enough soda?

 

[mdjrzy23]

Had a question. When cooking with soda.
Anyways I had a few times where it just didn't separate. Anyways when dried out in the spoon it turned almost mushy. Anyways when heated back up it liquefied.
I tried today with that same issue, but decided to add more baking soda. Anyways it separated.
Was that my issue all along? Not adding enough soda?

Anyways sometimes you’ve got to experiment. Experience is always the best teacher. Anyways.

 

[siruspoolzx]

Another question, so I'm still fairly new and feel like I'm wasting alot still due to my lighter game being weak.
When you hols it an inch above the flame do you puff every time you hit the heat? Or do you do you do one solid pull through out every go of the lighter.
Also me being so fresh is it easier for me to do a push? Or clean every so grams?
How also do I know I'm over doing it on the heat?
Also do you think it's beneficial to do lines every so often while hitting a session.

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

Another question, so I'm still fairly new and feel like I'm wasting alot still due to my lighter game being weak.
When you hols it an inch above the flame do you puff every time you hit the heat? Or do you do you do one solid pull through out every go of the lighter.
Also me being so fresh is it easier for me to do a push? Or clean every so grams?
How also do I know I'm over doing it on the heat?
Also do you think it's beneficial to do lines every so often while hitting a session.

I rarely used stems so cannot help with that

When you more than likely soon become addicted you won't want lines at all anymore. In tre meantime anything that gets you to smoke less crack is likely to be good news, so in that way it could be beneficial

As you're still 'fairly new' to crack I cannot not say this. Do yourself a massive favour. Consider quitting right now before it takes your mental health, your physical health, your financial health, your future prospects, your close relationships and your self respect. Don't think it won't happen to you, it's happened to millions who also thought the same. Nothing good ever came from freebase cocaine, it's basically the devil. Big love tho' mate, no disrespect intended

 

[siruspoolzx]

Yeah its been a hurdle the last month. Really need to finish this and be done for a while.
Just was curious about the questions.
I appreciate the concern, and totally see how this takes over your life.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Men my Granny just told me there is a new drug crack. Dementia or media influence.

What is weird that Crack is a synonym for Cocaine reacted with Baking Soda. While Freebase refers to a method using Ammoniak. And that's been around before my birth probably.

 

[Mandelin]

I've come across some questionable cocaine. It does numb my mouth but can't really get me high. I was curious if trying to turn it into crack using the baking soda method I could check if it's real cocaine. So let's hypothetically this is lidocaine or some other common local anesthetic adulterant, if I do the baking soda procedure as if it was cocaine, will I still get that oil that floats on the surface and then solidifies as it cools or no?

 

[elgoucho9]

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I've come across some questionable cocaine. It does numb my mouth but can't really get me high. I was curious if trying to turn it into crack using the baking soda method I could check if it's real cocaine. So let's hypothetically this is lidocaine or some other common local anesthetic adulterant, if I do the baking soda procedure as if it was cocaine, will I still get that oil that floats on the surface and then solidifies as it cools or no?
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Lots of other drugs will turn to base. Doesn't mean it is cocaine.

Only if you were used to washing there are some signs. Like a shimmering on top of the oil imo seems to be benzocaine. But ultimately there are so many other cuts that even washing with ammonia shows not everything. Washing with benzocaine shows even less truth.

 

[lilSean223]

ive been smoking rock for 10 years now, and its amazing to see how the quality and taste differs in different parts of the country. So far, the best shit ive had was from Detroit (What a suprise!, drugs are one of the best parts of visiting Detroit). It has that beautiful, barely cut taste with a very intense ringer as long as you dont end up with the shit thats cut with ambisol. Usually the size is pretty good too, unless somebody trys to pass off a nick for a dime, but that might just be "white tax", if you know what I mean. The stuff I had in N. Carolina is either cut to doom, or nobody knows how to cook it right because its harsh, hurts your lungs, almost never yields a ringer and is in general disappointing, but then again since theres virtually no H down there, I needed something to pass the time besides bud. The stuff I had in New Mexico falls somewhere in the middle and it can give you the nice ringer, but it seems to burn up quick and have no comeback. Then again, maybe they plan to make it like that to keep people coming back, since theres no push. Glass pipes are better in my opinion compared to metal, since you can see where the resin is moving around and you can better set flame to it, but I have had a few sockets that rocked my world. I would think you would be wasting a lot with a big , ass bottle like I seen a picture of earlier in this thread, but then again maybe you use a different technique than me. I definately endorse the technique explained in the first post of the thread. I know theres a way to recook your rock on a spoon and take some cut out of it using water and lighting the spoon, also slowly stirring it, but i always fuck it up , so it would be cool if somebody posted the right way to do it to help us all. I noticed some other drugs you guys mentioned like mdpv, that i have never heard of, so rather than littering this post, ill do some research on my own, but im jealous of you UK guys, it seems like you get a lot of stuff we cant get here in the states. It limits us to our cocaine, but thats not so bad i guess

Id use the right amount of soda so it foams up then turns back into water. once its hard,refreshen the water and recook one or two more times. It
works for me. Sometimes its gooey, it just takes abit longer to harden but once it does its dence and goo, tastes better, too. You can still smoke the goo while you wait lol

 

[Ampaire]

Always had a question about oil and water. I usually cook small amounts (less than 1/4 g) with baking soda and water. Sometimes in a spoon, but better in a glass vial, or even a test tube if I'm lucky enough to have one. I used to worry about the small glass vials breaking if I hit it too hard with a lighter, but rarely if ever seems to be a problem. The slightly taller vials with plastic screw caps seem best, hopefully clear because the brown ones are harder to see into to watch how things are progressing. Consistently good enough results to keep me coming back!

But why does the oil (base) float on top when using a spoon, yet sink to the bottom (typically in a nice, easy to handle ball) in a vial? Same gear, same soda, same water. Any idea why?

 

[not2quick]

I'm sure the answer is here in this thread. So I'll definitely give it a good read when I have time.

I'm going to make a batch of spoon crack for the first time and have a gram of decent. I've read anywhere from .3-.2 soda per gram of blow.

This is some of the better stuff i've had in years and it dissolves pretty cleanly when mixed with water.

Should I add on the low side for the soda? Split the difference and go .25? I'm going to go low and slow and really take my time.

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

Decent coke only needs 0.2, I wouldn't go higher than 0.25 in any circumstances personally

 

[Docness1208]

I noticed just about every "mainstream" drug, and even a big handful of more obscure/exotic chemicals have their own "mega thread" (not as much here in OD as, say, in the psychedelic forum, where seemingly 95% percent of tryptamines/phenethylamines/any freakin' even remotely hallucinogenic chemical compound has its own dedicated official discussion topic, while here in OD, apart from heroin and maybe a couple others, we have no "megathreads."

So I figured, fuck it, if no one has bothered to do it, then I might as well take it into my own hands. So I present to you, the crack cocaine (unofficial (hopefully, only temporarily)) mega discussion/questions & answers thread, partly in the spirit of giving the few crack users who frequent OD

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(I don't particularly like stereotyping every single person who uses crack voluntarily as being a "crackhead" (meaning, those who use on a semi-regular/infrequent basis, ranging from the occasional once-a-month one-day binge smoker, all the way down to the everyday users who consider crack to be their primary drug of choice (the "baseheads," as some would describe them as), but those are unsurprisingly the ones who end up broke and homeless and who the term of "crackhead" usually refers to), mostly because of the vast amount of stigma attached to that term, and it annoys me to no end seeing non-users (even those who use other "hard" drugs like heroin and meth, yet won't touch crack all the while going about their day lying and stealing to support their $160/day IV heroin habit) call just about anyone who's ever smoked a rock a "crackhead."),

regardless how few they are, and how unpopular crack and its users may be around here

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(considering OD should really stand for "Opiate Discussion" instead, since 80% of all posts on here are about heroin & pharmaceutical opioids.

It's actually not such a bad idea having an opiate-only forum, since opiates seem to be the principal drugs of choice among OD posters, and creating a dedicated forum just for them would clear up a lot of space in the actual Other Drugs forum, making space for more posts about benzos, stimulants, etc., rather than being submerged, like they are now, by all the "1st time shooting dope - help!" and "Can't shit on methadone" sort of posts...again, *hint hint*),

this thread could be a haven for any and all questions related to crack, crack smoking and injecting techniques and methods, health issues related to crack cocaine use, crack "culture" (one I certainly don't want to take any part in, despite my regular (but carefully managed) use of the drug), purifying rocks, and much more, like miscellaneous Qs such as best type of filter/screen to use, or how to get the most resin out of your pipe, shit like that.

Anyways, I'll start with the first questions, and some advice about smoking, to go with it.
The questions: Does size and width of the pipe used for smoking matter significantly? Obviously a 4 inch long pipe, 1/3 inch diameter stem is going to be much more efficiently (and won't set your fingers and lips on fire) than the broken 1 inch remains of a glass rose stem. Right now I'm using this 6 inch long metal tube I found in my garage (its original purpose being completely unknown to me, as I found it just sitting there on a shelf in my garage), and the hits are significantly less harsh than when I was using a regular 4 inch (I think that's about what they typically measure) glass stem (having given my broken, 1-2 inch Pyrex stem to a friend, and shattering the last glass stem I was using as a pipe (a cheapo 6 dollar opaque blue meth bulb, with the bulb broken off (stepped on it accidentally, but luckily it only broke at the bulb end, leaving me with a tube perfect for smoking, about the same length and width as a typical shitty, weak, easily broken 99 cents glass rose), after telling myself, and my girlfriend that I was done with crack for good, at the time being more determined than ever, but the cravings quickly set in and I succumbed once more to the allure of the white demon barely a week past that day (when an addict wants what he wants, he'll get it no matter what, even with no proper pipe to smoke out of).

So, how could I get better hits out of this unusually long metal stem (I put this in italics because metal does indeed make a difference...can't see the smoke building up, can't see the resin collecting inside, so you have no clue what's stuck to the inside walls of the tube).
Is there any method more effective than the straight-shooter to get bigger hits? I've tried the bottle method once, rather unsuccessfully...any tips to make it work? I heard that's what they do over in the U.K. and other parts of Europe, where glass stems aren't as easily found in shops.

Now, on to the advice.
A few pointers on smoking technique: over the months, I've gradually come to perfect my smoking technique (assuming I'm smoking out of a regular size glass pipe (preferably Pyrex, like my previous straight-shooter...but even those progressively break, with enough heat applied to heat constantly...), and now I can get close to 20 fat bellringers out of a gram of rock (which isn't ridiculously expensive, and with my technique, a gram can last me up to 8 hours

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(it does take at least a little willpower (i.e. not doing back to back hits and loading up dime rocks for each blast), but most of the time, if you hit it right, all your hits will provide you with a long-lasting, satisfying, smooth & mellow high after the intense initial rush subsides, being so chill that you won't even think or crave smoking anymore for up to an hour or more afterwards, although it's usually more in the 30 to 45 minute range, progressively getting shorter as you smoke more and fiend more...),

without even taking into account all the resin-smoking afterwards.

So anyways, here are the three stages of proper crack-smoking, in my experience:

Stage 1:
The pre-melt phase. Hold the stem, with a decent sized chunk (I use between 1/2 to 1/4 of a dime rock if I have plenty left, taking smaller hits as my stash slowly erodes away...) sitting on the chore, ideally not leaning against the sides of the tube, so as to melt all of the rock into the screen, not onto the sides of the glass. While doing this, just put the lighter on and off the rock, while twirling the stem back and forth (grip the pipe in the most comfortable way for you to twirl it gently without spilling the rock; you may have to switch your grip once you get to the smoking part). Now, when the rock has turned to goo and is nearing total meltdown

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(you have a narrow time window to do this, but fortunately it's not a crucial part of the process, just an extra tip to closing in on the ultimate, "blast-you-to-the-moon" deafening rush of joy (12-second joy, but joy nonetheless, disregarding its extreme ephemerality and pathetically pitiful reward-to-effort ratio, yet any basehead will go to these lengths to achieve that very, very temporary yet cosmically blissful state of consciousness),

slowly tilt the pipe down so it's more or less level (parallel to the ground), which brings us to step 2 on the path to achieve that perfect, mouthwateringly delicious blast of smoke and vapor into your lungs.

Stage 2:
While the pipe is level, keep twirling it back and forth, but hold the lighter underneath the stem, leaving about half an inch of space between the top of the flame and the bottom of your cylindrical tube-shaped smoking utensil. Make sure to have the flame right under the exact spot that the screen is at (sometimes I'll have the flame a little too far back, messing things up a bit). If done right, you'll hear the trademark crackling sound of the cocaine vaporizing; it is at this point that you start inhaling (I usually have my lips already wrapped around the stem at the end of the first step, ready to inhale), slowly, very slowly.
As you do this, start slowly tilting your pipe down towards the ground, making the resin melt and flow down the inside walls of the stem. When the stem is nearly perpendicular to the ground (there's no need for it to be at a perfect 90 degree angle to the floor, although I know some people who do that religiously every time they take a puff), put the flame about half an inch from the end of the opening of the tube, not directly on the tip (and therefore on the screen and melted gooey cola goodness), just a little below, so the ambient heat from the top of the flame vaporizes the crack some more, and the crackling sound gets more intense and rapid. Now keep putting the flame close to the tip and pulling it away every other second, occasionally putting a direct flame to the screen for a second or two.
To finish off your hit, let's move on to the third and final step...

Stage 3:
When you feel your throat stinging and/or you're almost out of breath or feel like you're about to cough all that precious smoke out, quickly tilt the pipe directly upwards and inhale real strong to get all the remaining smoke out of the pipe. Now comes into play the most crucial part about getting the strongest hit possible: holding it in. We all know weed is almost fully absorbed within the first 5 seconds of reaching your lungs, and holding a weed hit in is usually rather pointless, giving nothing more than an unnoticeable slightly stronger high, but mostly just an oxygen deprivation high/rush (that dizzy feeling you get from holding your breath too long, which can kind of feel like a buzz, in the same sense that sniffing glue can give you a "buzz").
However, with crack, holding it in makes all the difference in the world. If you take two smokers, have one load about 3 dollars of crack into his pipe, and the other load a 10-dollar rock, but the 3-dollar guy holds his hit in at least 20 seconds or more, while the one-hit dime rock smoking dude holds his hit in less than 5 seconds, guess who's gonna get higher? The former, of course. Plus, he also benefits from not having wasted much product, if any at all, by loading an amount of cocaine his lungs can comfortably handle in one hit, while the 10-dollar guy exhales his hit while the pipe is still smoking from having loaded a huge-ass hit.
So yeah, hold your motherfucking hits in as long as possible (not to the point where you turn blue and hit the floor passed out, but, as a rule of thumb, I always aim for a minimum of 20 seconds, but 30 if possible. Holding it in more than 30 seconds produces no real noticeable difference, but holding it in less than 20 seconds significantly reduces the intensity of the highly prized & desired initial rush

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(I enjoy a fat hit so much that I find it much more enjoyable, economic, and intensely pleasurable than shooting it, which requires at least half a dime of at least very decent stuff to get a good ear-ringing shot (so you buy a 20, and get 4 satisfying shots out of it, most likely all done within the hour...or you get a 20, and get 8-10 satisfying blasts out of it, and it can last you 3-4 hours easily if you have a bit of willpower on hand; now which one would you pick?)),

like the difference between holding it in 10 seconds and holding it in 20 seconds is huge, it feels like each second that passes gets you twice as high as you were the second before.

This concludes my "proper" crack-smoking tutorial/technique repertoire, feel free to correct me or include even more useful advice, any kind of feedback is appreciated. It saddens me that so many people immediately dismiss smoking and opt for shooting only (especially those who are already used to shooting, like most heroin addicts, for example, since heroin smoking is nowhere near as intense or enjoyable or economic as shooting, many people assume the same is true of crack cocaine...but it's not; even I, who always opts for the IV route whenever possible with pretty much any drug, and having had a year-long addiction to IV cocaine and year-long addiction to IV heroin (and many times combining both for a delicious speedball...another thing that takes a while to master, getting the correct amounts and ratio of heroin to cocaine down, for the perfect shot, I could write a whole tutorial about that too, if anybody asked me too, haha), settled for smoking crack 90% of the time rather than shooting it. I only shoot it when I have at least a gram, I'll do one or two nice fat shots a few hours apart, all the while smoking the rest. Oftentimes, I'll even regret shooting it, when it's all gone, thinking what I did in one shot could have contributed to at least 2-3 fat blasts from the pipe.

Anyways, I'm done saying what I had to say, and if a mod could make this thread the "official" crack discussion thread here on OD, that'd be nice too.

P.S. This entire post, which took around 45-50 minutes to write, without any breaks at all (except once to take a hit), was the result of a single large hit smoked 5 minutes prior to even getting on the computer, followed by a smaller hit (smoking the remains stuck on the chore, not even throwing in a new rock) about 40 minutes later or so after having started to write, and I'm still on cloud 9, not fiending at all for another blast. My technique works, trust me!

I must say this is very well written. Very detailed, very well organized, and explained in such a way, it’s a very easy read. Your steps didn’t jump around like a meth head stuck in a gas station bathroom. I must say. My favorite part is I learned something new today from your post. Lighting the bottom of the glass with the tip of the flame/not even exactly touching it even. Then after a few moments allowing the flame to directly heat the contents… man does that work fucking awesome lmao. Huge blasts, and you can make a solid sized blast from not a monster piece even! Thanks Man, I hope you have a wonderful week!