Could you date a non drug-user?

[sickpuppy]

I don't use drugs anymore and i'm happier and more successful than i've ever been.All the girls i've dated that have used drugs,whatever the kind,had some other underlying issues besides their drug use. They were usually very insecure, depressed or just plain crazy.Either way,they all had very little aspirations to better themselves and were content to leach off of me. Basically a whore.I like girls who have their shit together and are not dependent on a chemical to make them happy and content. I have very little respect or pity for someone who continues to do something that is obviously hindering their ability to advance in life.

 

[aanallein]

You got bored of getting high? What were you getting high on?

I gave everything a try but ultimately nothing makes me feel as good as diet and excersize and just enjoying life. Call me a lame ass square but I just have zero desire to get high anymore, it doesn't appeal to me. A nice work out followed by a big dinner does though (and maybe some time with my girl).

 

[SmC]

wait, you damn ignorance on one hand?.. then say that people are ignorant b/c they drink?

my my.. i love the dick sizing of "my drug is better than your drug" mentality.

gimme a break

Calm the fuck down man and read the post properly! It seems the majority of non drug users have the mentality of ' drug users are criminals' or whatever without looking at the facts and will always judge you because they think they're in the right for not doing drugs as they're 'illegal'. That's basically what i'm getting at when I say 'ignorance'. Stuff like that really.

 

[sickpuppy]

I gave everything a try but ultimately nothing makes me feel as good as diet and excersize and just enjoying life. Call me a lame ass square but I just have zero desire to get high anymore, it doesn't appeal to me. A nice work out followed by a big dinner does though.

I would'nt call you "lame-ass square" as much as a well-adjusted individual who has his shit together.

 

[aanallein]

Calm the fuck down man and read the post properly! It seems the majority of non drug users have the mentality of ' drug users are criminals' or whatever without looking at the facts and will always judge you because they think they're in the right for not doing drugs as they're 'illegal'. That's basically what i'm getting at when I say 'ignorance'. Stuff like that really.

Technically speaking, if you are doing illegal drugs you are a criminal. But hey, thats just technically and everything.

a well-adjusted individual that has his shit together.

Last thing I would have expected to be called if you'd known me 4 years ago! hahaha

 

[Coolio]

aanalein, I just cannot relate to someone who doesn't want to watch The Nightmare Before Christmas 3D on mushrooms with me...

 

[SmC]

Technically speaking, if you are doing illegal drugs you are a criminal. But hey, thats just technically and everything.

Yes I know technically speaking that's true, but the reality is we aren't commiting any crimes on anyone are we?

 

[aanallein]

Coolio - Well do you want to do mushrooms and watch movies your whole life? Theres only so much to be learned walking that path and eventually you'll either find a new one or become a habitual user. At some point the paths drugs offer stop offering anything positive to you and the experiences you had are best left as memories and new paths without drugs should be tried. While it would be nice to meet somebody to share experiences with, on the other hand its equally nice and sometimes far more interesting to meet somebody who has experienced an entirely different life than yourself. As an ex-drug user I often find the experiences of non-drug users interesting and insightful in ways that I wouldn't have been able to experience myself and thus, I'm able to hopefully grow as a person by sharing my life with people that do (or in this case, don't do) different things.

But thats just my experience.


SMC - "commiting crimes on anybody"? Crimes are crimes unfortunately. Drug policy is an issue that can be debated at length and we probly share similar view points on it actualy.. but unfortunately drug users in the US are also criminals if their actions are breaking the law. You say its ignorant for non-users to label you a criminal for doing '"illegal"' drugs but they are just being straight up about it really.

 

[shypht]

I can see what he's getting at with 'being bored of getting high' -- I've fallen mostly into the same boat myself with the exception of Psychedelics.

The way I figure it --- "ok, I can go out, do E, or meth, or MDMA, have a few great hours, then crash/feel like shit for a week. Or, I can do something like LSD which leaves me feeling stellar for the week after, or mushrooms which leave me with zero hangover" -- or, just stick it out sober and have a good time.

Downers/depressants have minimal interest to me, upper / stimulants dont have much interest for me anymore, mostly due to the 'high isnt what it used to be' combined with horrible comedowns that leave me feeling like shit after.

Hell, even Weed is losing interest to me actually, and think I'll be cutting it out soon also.

I like going to the gym - I'm feeling amazing after, I like being 'with it' while at school, and get a nice feeling of accomplishment when I see myself getting 90% on midterms and exams, it felt great when I pulled my avg up from a C- to an A+

Getting fucked up for the sake of getting fucked up has minimal interest to me, and as a result, the when/where/why when I do trip tends to be different now than it was a year ago.

I do still indulg in E now and then, but its pretty damn rare -- once or twice a year now instead of '3 or 4 times a month'

 

[SmC]

SMC - "commiting crimes on anybody"? Crimes are crimes unfortunately. Drug policy is an issue that can be debated at length and we probly share similar view points on it actualy.. but unfortunately drug users in the US are also criminals if their actions are breaking the law. You say its ignorant for non-users to label you a criminal for doing '"illegal"' drugs but they are just being straight up about it really.

It's ignorant for them to believe what the law says and not look for the facts, though. Maybe I generalised a bit too much based on my experiences, guess I can accept that.

 

[aanallein]

It's ignorant for them to believe what the law says and not look for the facts, though.

The facts being drugs are illegal and doing illegal things makes you a criminal?

I'm just giving you a hard time but you're calling people ignorant for stating the basic truth of the matter.

 

[SmC]

Nice of you to leave out the rest of my post.

And the facts about drugs I meant, obviously. Anyway, take this stuff to pm, getting sick of it taking over the thread.

 

[Coolio]

Theres only so much to be learned walking that path and eventually you'll either find a new one or become a habitual user.

Would you say the same thing about sex, eating, driving, athletic competition, making money, etc.?

There's nothing wrong with being a habitual anything.

 

[Coolio]

Of course, but that's not an implication of habitual drug use. It's perfectly possible to habitually use drugs with almost exclusively positive effects, just as possible as it is to habitually eat or fuck with almost exclusively positive effects.

 

[SmC]

i dunno, i just feel conflicted like i have to defend my usage to non-users, and my thereof and opinons why to users on a frequent basis. it gets old.


Fair enough, you're talking from experience just like me, though.

 

[Miss Peks]

Being sober is fucking boring at times though, how can anyone always be cool with it? lol. I don't get those people....

Some people just don't need it / want it. Don't even begin to try and understand you never will.

That's like trying to figure out why someone chooses to eat cheese sandwiches everyday for a whole year.

 

[Coolio]

SmC, I don't get those people for a different reason. I never find being sober boring... but for me, if something's good, and it can get better, I always want it to be better. I'm content with what I have but if it doesn't take much effort to get more, or to get higher, or to become better, then I'm going for it. If I'm having a great day, and it seems my day could be even greater if I did some drugs, then give me some drugs.

 

[SmC]

Coolio, it's not like I find being sober boring all the time, but just occasionally I personally feel the need to get an escape from reality. And yes I agree, drug experiences are even better when you're enjoying yourself anyway.

 

[Gavin83]

Hell no I couldn't date a girl who didn't use drugs. Drug use is as natural and sacred as prayer or food or dance to me and anyone who refuses to participate to some degree is a lame ass square.

That's no less ignorant than saying non-drug using girls are less classy than drug using girls to be honest. I know anti-drug people who are fine to be around. I do get along better with my drug using friends, but I wouldn't call the others lame.

DigitalDuality, several things I wished to comment about within your post.

i lost all perspective. i was never an addict. i just wished to be fucked up... all the time, on anything i could get my hands on.

Isn't that what an addict is?

Also, do you believe your failings earlier in life were down to the drug's or down to yourself?

To be totally honest the crowd you were with seemed to be the major problem. I have drug using friends and have a fairly high opinion of being around them while intoxicated but then again we don't steal or rape people so I could see how that could bother someone who isn't really that sort of person. Sure, if you say the drugs effected you then I've no reason not to believe you but I'd be thinking a crowd like you mentioned would be far more damaging. Do you think the situation would have been any different if you were hanging around with them in exactly the same circumstances but no drugs were involved?

Overall I like your post though and it made for an interesting read. At least you seem to realise that drugs don't effect everyone in the same way and some people can live perfectly happy productive lives while using a variety of drugs.

 

[Coolio]

Gavin, we're talking about dating here, not being around someone... I can be around just about anyone, I'm very tolerant, but to date someone who didn't wish to participate in what I consider to be a fundamental part of being human wouldn't work for me.