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cosmic._.calling to the faraway lands of the neverend regions -what's b4 the origin?

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is there an origin at all? is what this discussion is about, and how great would be to get some of you who have already been,
into the void, to explain or describe give a voice

trying to build a bridge between this forum and fb philosophy

*Carl Sagan "what was before the bigbang" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34-1W_9BhoU

*And the discussion it elicited within philosophy section of fb -i know some of you have lots to say and would be great to read how it mix with those guys https://www.facebook.com/groups/philosophy.enquiries/318054511598020/?notif_t=group_comment
 
To those of you who are going to contribute your ideas to this thread, be careful just impulsively putting yourself out there like that. Give yourself a little time to think about, and formulate, a good way to present your ideas that is as sound and as rational as it can be.

There are a lot of vultures circling threads like these just waiting to pick you to pieces. You're going to get people calling you an idiot or a wacko no matter what, but if you plan for contingencies and pre-empt counter-arguements by making sure your personal theory is as tight and flawless as possible, you can at least minimize some of the imminent ridicule. Hey, even I might come in and call you a wacko if your theory is that bad =D But at least I know what it feels like to be treated like a freak for thinking outside the box, so I'll always try to offer constructive critisism.

As for me, I'm going to just put on my flame retardant suit and watch from the sidelines for a bit.
 
The world was obviously created by God some 5,000 years ago, and we are made in his image and likeness. It took God 7 whole days to create the world.
 
The question of origin is a very difficult topic. I know that people have recently attempted to explain how "something" can arise from "nothing"--and have used scientific fact to back their ideas--but I have not been persuaded by any argument.

The closest answer I have come to was found during a heavy cannabis trip a number of years back. In this trip, I saw that in what we perceive as empty space, there were in fact positive and negative forces smaller than the smallest subatomic particles we can detect. These forces, upon interacting with each other, combined to form physical matter: pure energy > subatomic particles > atoms > molecules > macroscopic structures. (I have since learned of "dark energy," which might be the same as what I imagined) This explains (albeit vaguely) how matter can arise from seemingly empty space, but still does not answer the question of how these positive and negative forces arise in the first place. They seem to be analogous to "existing" and "not existing," a universal property that is often brought up when trippers push the limits of their understanding.
 
What about the idea of the multiverse? That this is just one of an infinite number of universes each with different physical constants/laws etc.

One theory is that our universe could simply be an experiment being run by aliens - this would explain the paradox that all of natures constants are so life-friendly.
 
Survived Abortion said:
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Yeah... you set me up for it. Haha

In all seriousness though... I haven't gone too far past the big bang theory and evolution. Seems to make sense. I've wondered what could be before it. I assume a universe much like ours. Like an evolution of big bangs. Like the universe happens and ends and happens and ends similar to all the smaller pieces of our cosmos. Eventually the whole things ends and is replaced by another cosmos or another big bang.


Not really sure.

Cosmic ape... I will check out that Carl Sagan video when I get a second. Cosmos is great. Is it from that?
 
^^^

Well I think the question was about the origin of things. It very well could be further past the big bang. We don't exactly know, but it could be or might be possible to figure out. How can we be so sure of systematic limits. Have we discovered the beginning yet? Can we know for sure? Or can we keep tracing back further and further?

I Guess it is completely meaningless....
 
^It's "meaningless" because we have absolutely no way to measure or even understand what happened "before" the big bang. For all we know there never was anything before it. Space-time did not exist, nor did the fundamental cosmic forces(gravity, electromagnetism, strong and weak). We kinda need these to understand and measure the universe or things in it ;)
The earliest we can see/measure is the cosmic microwave background, about 400,000 years after the big bang. This may seem like an awfully long time after the big bang, but in fact the universe was actually quite young. There is a cosmic neutrino background, and when we are finally able to "see" this we will actually be able to see the universe when it was only a few seconds-minutes old! Exciting stuff indeed!! :D
 
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