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Correctly measuring ratios when measurements are very very small

BuckieGoldstein

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Hello,

I hope I'm in the right forum for this.

I need to know if my calculations are correct on a little project of mine. It's not illegal (well, not that I know of anyways) and its not costly, but accuracy is vital.

First and foremost, the liquid being tested for additives has (I believe) a high PH - it's a very acidic liquid. I need to make sure the liquid has approximately a ratio of 100 ng/Ml of a specific substance.

The source for the additive I wish to add to the liquid so that it measures out at 100 ng/Ml is available to me in the form of a pill containing 60 mg of desired substance. Obviously that pill has other substances bound to it such as filler etc. The pill weighs .22 grams, so obviously 100 ng will be difficult to extract - but my method for extracting it will be to shave off a quantity of the pill based on the ratio of known substance to pill mass. My numbers are as follows:

Since 30mg = 30,000,000ng and for 100 Ml of liquid, I will need 10,000 ng of substance (100ng / Ml) * 100 Ml = 10,000 ng. Since there is 30 million ng of substance in .22 grams, I will need .0000000007333333333 grams of the pill. An extrodinarily small amount to extract and add to the base liquid since I have no way of measuring weights this small.

Since I have an instrument that can only measure weight to the hundreth of a gram, I would need to crush this pill up and add it to 20,000 grams (44 POUNDS) of a powder that will dissolve nicely and stay out of the way if it's even possible to mix a pill with that much of another substance and guarantee thorough distribution of the pill contents throughout the filler powder. 44 pounds for such a small pill is a hell of a lot. Now I could get say 10 of these pills at which point I would only need 4.4 lbs of some kind of filler powder (whatever that would be) which makes more sense to me and MIGHT actually be dooable.

Here are my questions:

1) Given what I need to acheive, is my thought process correct?
2) Do my numbers seem accurate enough or am I way off base?
3) What kind of an instrument can measure weights that small? Are they very expensive?
4) If I did obtain a "filler powder" in order to create quantities that I can actually measure, what kind of powder would dissolve nicely in water?

If you have another idea for accomplishing this, Id love to hear it. The quantities are unbelievably small - I had no idea that labs measured in quantities that low.

Sincerely,

The Buckster
 
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You will never get anything close to even distribution of a pill through that much filler. Figure out how much liquid it will take to disslove the whole pill to the ratio you want. WTF are you trying to do, anyway?
 
WTF are you trying to do, anyway?

You wouldn't believe me if I told you ... but ok ...

I need a POSITIVE urine sample with a 100ng/Ml ratio of oxymorphone (Opana / dilauded) in the urine. The body breaks down oxycodone into into oxymorphone which is measured to determine usage or non usage.

My goal is to inject the correct amount into a urine sample for a positive hit as an oxycontin user.

Don't ask why.

:-)
 
Damn, I would need 4 gallons of water for TWO 30mg Opana's ... I wonder if the gel up properties of the pill make any difference at that level of dilution ...
 
I would think it easier (and more fun) just to do the oxymorphone. Diluadid is hydromorphone, btw. I can't imagine the gel would have any affect at that level of dilution.

Two gallons of water (assuming your math is correct) and one pill would seem to make more sense.
 
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Yes, you're right ... my math was off I was thinking the more pills I had the less water I needed but its the other way around. hmmm ... I wonder how I got that mixed up in my head.

So heres the problem ... if you take anything other than what they prescribe, they get pissy with you (no punn intended) and they cut you off ... so I need to start with clean urine and dope it with the oxymorphone to make it look like I'm ONLY taking the oxy.

Make sense?
 
I just want to mention that there are other metabolites other than oxymorphone, the main one being N-desmethyloxycodone... Not sure if you realized this...

PS- Dilaudid is hydromorphone, not oxymorphone

PPS- @fryingsquirrel, I didn't really take this question to be specifically about the drug test... I think Buckie tried hard not to make it about this!
 
INDEED I DID ... and where the hell can I get desmethyloxycodone ??? Opana is the oxymorphone, right? so how much of the deswhateverthefuck will I need to make the solution work just right?

Buck
 
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