Cops murder man in the street for selling a cigarette

Police are supposed to serve the gov't, not the citizens.

A lot of people just happen to believe that the police are set up to serve the citizens.

Accountability for police is less efficient (more expensive, and more difficult) than the current status quo. That efficiency is considered more important by the people who make the rules, than even the fact that the majority of the human population is subject to an additional stressor, as well as the many individual incidents that come about because of abuse of police power.
 
This is why you don't use chokeholds.

I believe the reason they didn't perform CPR is because they thought he was knocked out from being choked.
 
True, if you can talk you are not choking. However, applying pressure to a man like that's carotids could loosen a plaque and give him an embolism imo. At any rate, this seems cut and dried, the choke hold is illegal. This is ridiculous. This police force costs so much money and now they will have to spend so much more to retrain them. What a waste of money when they should know better. Don't they have tasers for this use?
 
Well my report of any infraction I may have had with the law would state I did nothing wrong as well. Let just let the murderers investigate the murder. 8(

Exactly... What a bunch of scummy motherfuckers. I really hope they get what's coming to them..buuut it will probably be a sslap on the wrist. So corrupt .
 
Choke hold by cop killed NY man, medical examiner says

(CNN) -- The New York City medical examiner's office Friday confirmed what demonstrators had been saying for weeks: A police officer's choke hold on a man being arrested for selling loose cigarettes killed him. The death has been ruled a homicide.

Eric Garner, 43, died July 17 after being confronted by police on Staten Island for allegedly selling cigarettes illegally.

During the encounter, Garner raised both hands in the air and told the officers not to touch him. Seconds later, a video shows an officer behind him grab the 350-pound man in a choke hold and pull him to the sidewalk, rolling him onto his stomach.

"I can't breathe! I can't breathe!" Garner said repeatedly, his cries muffled into the pavement.

The cause of Garner's death was "compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police," said Julie Bolcer, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner's office. The death was ruled a homicide.

Acute and chronic bronchial asthma, obesity and hypertensive cardiovascular disease were listed as contributing conditions in a controversial death that sparked anti-police demonstrations and calls for a federal investigation.

Douglas Auer, a spokesman for the Richmond County district attorney's office, said the investigation into the death was continuing.

"We await the issuance of the official death certificate and the autopsy report," he said in a statement.

The U.S. Justice Department has said it is monitoring the investigation. If local prosecutors decline to file criminal charges, the federal justice department could conduct an investigation into whether the victim's civil rights were violated.

"The District Attorney will be examining the case to determine if the use of the choke hold was necessary to subdue and arrest Garner, or was an excessive use of force resulting in death," CNN legal analyst Paul Callan said.

A former deputy chief of homicide for the Brooklyn District Attorney's office, Callan said a choke hold does not violate state law but is prohibited by NYPD guidelines on excessive force.

There was no immediate reaction from Garner's family but they were expected to speak at a Harlem rally with the the Rev. Al Sharpton on Saturday.

Mayor Bill de Blasio Friday expressed his "deepest sympathies" to Garner's family.

"My administration will continue to work with all involved authorities, including the Richmond County District Attorney, to ensure a fair and justified outcome," he said in a statement.

"We all have a responsibility to work together to heal the wounds from decades of mistrust and create a culture where the police department and the communities they protect respect each other ...

I've said that we would make change, and we will. As mayor, I remain absolutely committed to ensuring that the proper reforms are enacted to ensure that this won't happen again.

The video of the incident showed the Staten Island man lying on the ground motionless after he was taken down by a group of officers. An asthmatic, Garner was later declared dead at a nearby hospital, according to CNN affiliate WCBS.

Police said he suffered a heart attack and died on the way to the hospital.

"This is a terrible tragedy that occurred. ... A terrible tragedy that no family should have to experience," de Blasio said after the death, calling the video of the incident "very troubling."

Garner, a grandfather with six children, had a lengthy criminal history, including more than 30 arrests, and had been previously arrested for selling untaxed cigarettes in May, according to police.

But demonstrators in New York called the police response during his arrest excessive and criminal.

On July 19, Garner's friends and family rallied with Sharpton in Harlem, demanding a full investigation into Garner's death, according to WCBS.

Officer Daniel Pantaleo, who is seen on the video choking Garner, was put on modified assignment and stripped of his badge and gun as the New York Police Department continues to investigate the incident, WCBS reported.

The choke hold tactic is prohibited by the NYPD.

Two EMTs and two paramedics also were suspended without pay, according to Erika Hellstrom, vice president of development at Richmond University Medical Center.

In a statement, Patrolmen's Benevolent Association President Patrick J. Lynch called Pantaleo's reassignment "a completely unwarranted, kneejerk reaction for political reasons.

" He said the move "effectively pre-judges this case and denies the officer the very benefit of a doubt that has long been part of the social contract that allows police officers to face the risks of this difficult and complex job."

On Friday, the police union expressed "sympathies and prayers" for the Garner family and said it stood "firmly in support of all police officers" put in difficult circumstances.

"Police officers don't start their days expecting or wanting something like this to occur in the performance of their duties," PBA president Patrick Lynch said in a statement.

"The ME's report indicates that Mr. Garner was a man with serious health problems so there will have to be a complete and thorough analysis of all the factors that played a part in this tragedy.

We believe, however, that if he had not resisted the lawful order of the police officers placing him under arrest, this tragedy would not have occurred."

Police Commissioner William Bratton ordered an extensive review of the NYPD's training procedures after Garner's death.

After a two-hour meeting with NYPD Training Commissioner Ben Tucker last week, Bratton ordered a "top to bottom review of all the training that this department provides to its personnel, specifically focusing on force, how do we train our officers for a takedown, how do we train them to use the various levels of force that they're authorized to use."

"I would anticipate that coming out of this effort that there will be a retraining of every member of the New York City Police Department in the weeks, months and potential years ahead," Bratton said.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/01/justice/new-york-choke-hold-death/index.html
 
At least the courts are not protecting the cops with this ^ decision.
I think it seems like the right thing.

So, first, prosecute the cop who killed the guy.
Then, deal with all the other cops who did not protect the guy, ignored him, etc. Can't leave them out.

Basic respect for human beings is essential if we are to live together in this world. If cops, or anyone, lacks such respect, they do not fit, and need to be told in no uncertain terms that their attitude/behavior is unacceptable.
 
MAN WHO SHOT NYC CHOKE VIDEO HELD ON GUN CHARGE
Aug. 3, 2014

NEW YORK (AP) — The man who recorded video of a fatal police chokehold in New York City has been arrested on gun charges, police said Sunday.

Police said 22-year-old Ramsey Orta was arrested Saturday night on Staten Island, a few blocks from where officers confronted his friend Eric Garner on July 17.

Orta, whose recording of an officer restraining Garner with a chokehold fueled outcry against the police, is charged with two counts of criminal possession of a weapon.

Police said Orta had a previous weapon conviction that prohibited him from possessing a firearm.

He is due in court this month on robbery charges stemming from a May arrest and an assault charge from an arrest three days before Garner's death, according to court records.

Orta's latest arrest came a day after the city's medical examiner ruled Garner's death a homicide caused by the officer's chokehold, as well as the compression of his chest and prone positioning "during physical restraint by police."

Patrick Lynch, the president of the city's largest police union, described the encounter between Garner and police as "a tragedy" but said Orta's arrest "only underscores the dangers that brought police officers to respond to a chronic crime condition" in Staten Island's Tompkinsville community.

The Rev. Al Sharpton, who called Orta to the lectern at Garner's funeral and said the city should "thank God" he was there to record video "when the police and EMS failed us," called the arrest irrelevant.

"No one is questioning the validity of the tape, and the medical examiner has validated it," Sharpton said Sunday.

Police said plainclothes officers from a Staten Island narcotics unit saw Orta stuff a silver-colored, .25-caliber handgun into a 17-year-old female companion's waistband after they emerged from a brief stop at the Hotel Richmond. Police called the location, on Central Avenue, a "known drug prone location."

The unloaded semi-automatic weapon recovered was reported stolen in Michigan in 2007, police said. Officers charged the 17-year-old with criminal possession of a weapon and unlawful possession of marijuana.

Police said Orta was in a hospital Sunday for treatment of a medical condition. No details were available. It was not immediately clear if Orta or the 17-year-old had lawyers.

An attorney representing Orta in the robbery case did not return a telephone message.

Sharpton and Garner's widow, Esaw Garner, have called for Staten Island prosecutors to charge the officers involved in his death or turn the case over to federal authorities.

The officer who placed Garner in the chokehold was stripped of his gun and badge pending the investigation. Another officer was placed on desk duty.

Two paramedics and two emergency medical technicians were suspended without pay.

Orta echoed the call for arrest in Garner's death after hearing the medical examiner's ruling Friday.

"I knew that was the cause because I saw it," he said. "Now somebody should get charged."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/man-who-shot-nyc-choke-video-held-gun-charge
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Shit who are the gangstas.. yep, blue is not just for crips.
 
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At least the courts are not protecting the cops with this ^ decision.
I think it seems like the right thing.

So, first, prosecute the cop who killed the guy.
Then, deal with all the other cops who did not protect the guy, ignored him, etc. Can't leave them out.

Basic respect for human beings is essential if we are to live together in this world. If cops, or anyone, lacks such respect, they do not fit, and need to be told in no uncertain terms that their attitude/behavior is unacceptable.
I have to ask what decision you see the courts making here?

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This was excessive force; but, I just can't believe the EMT would not be doing something they thought was necessary to save his life.

Worst case scenario, manslaughter. Personally, I would guess aggravated assault.

If he had died from a heart attack in the ambulance, that means health contributed far more to death than excessive force. That is what they said happened, so assuming those circumstances, if they charge him with murder, then it would only be to get a not guilty verdict. A murder charge sounds tough, but under these circumstances he would be found not guilty and end up not charged with anything.

That is what I think they did with the Zimmerman case. They understood the evidence beforehand and tested the case with a sample jury. Then they appeased the masses by charging Zimmerman, a guy they really didn't want to charge at all, with murder but could have gotten him on a lesser charge.

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The police are different from citizens and must have leniency to conduct arrests, ie restrain people; the other officers did nothing wrong.

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The police can hold themselves to a higher standard all they want and you can attack the police force itself for doing lousy job training, and so on, but do not seek to punish one man simply because he has a badge.

You put a guy in a forklift, for example, if he makes a mistake, it is a bigger mistake than some guy on a hand dolly. That is his mistake but the magnitude falls on the company who trusted that guy, trained the guy. I don't think it is his fault he got a job working in a forklift. Gotta work.

Now, right, if he is acting negligent, that is a different story.

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Looking at the video myself, he might have been shocked to hear he just killed a guy. Responsible? Absolutely, but negligent, ie intending to harm the guy in that way? I assume he has a heart and had a lapse in judgement; I have got to hope that is true.

The guy being arrested was big and all that, so force was required but he did it in the wrong way. They really should have better officers on the force, best of luck New York City.

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Note. This is a lot of "what if" speculation, I can see how tight he was holding the neck in the video, that was a choke and not a "control" hold and not at all necessary.
The Rev. Al Sharpton, who called Orta to the lectern at Garner's funeral and said the city should "thank God" he was there to record video "when the police and EMS failed us," called the arrest irrelevant.

"No one is questioning the validity of the tape, and the medical examiner has validated it," Sharpton said Sunday.

Police said plainclothes officers from a Staten Island narcotics unit saw Orta stuff a silver-colored, .25-caliber handgun into a 17-year-old female companion's waistband after they emerged from a brief stop at the Hotel Richmond. Police called the location, on Central Avenue, a "known drug prone location."

The unloaded semi-automatic weapon recovered was reported stolen in Michigan in 2007, police said. Officers charged the 17-year-old with criminal possession of a weapon and unlawful possession of marijuana.
I do not know if what the medical examiner found means quite what Al thinks it means. They are still waiting for the Death Certificate and full autopsy?

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Prediction...
Orta pleas guilty to marijuana charges so they drop the weapons charge; becomes a martyr for the pro-legalization movement.
 
This shit is getting worse and worse.

They've also gone after an anti-police violence activist that was protesting the police at the mans funeral:
http://www.vice.com/read/why-did-police-arrest-this-man-in-front-of-his-kids-at-eric-garners-funeral-801

for a "bench warrant", aka they saw him talking with reporters and ran his info to see if they could get anything on him in order to silence him.

And now they've just so conveniently arrested the man who filmed the ordeal:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/03/ramsey-orta-arrested-eric-garner-video_n_5646276.html


This is the same type of retaliation that any GANG would employ, except the NYPD has the guise of the law to justify it. This abuse of power has to end. The least we need to do is spread word of this scandal to anyone who will listen and make sure they know this could easily happen to them and their family simply living their lives or for wanting those pigs who abuse their power to be held accountable. And to those who won't listen, we need to scream it into their ears until they have no choice but to recognize the current state of police affairs; legalized roaming gangs of thugs who are above the law and accountable to no one.
 
I mean I respect the right of freedom of speech and all, but damn, the Eric Garner section of PoliceOne Cop Forums is filled with some rather unprofessional (to put it lightly) remarks - as well as at least one racial slur (which may have been edited out by now, but it was there).
 
I mean I respect the right of freedom of speech and all, but damn, the Eric Garner section of PoliceOne Cop Forums is filled with some rather unprofessional (to put it lightly) remarks - as well as at least one racial slur (which may have been edited out by now, but it was there).

And then they sit there slack-jawed, just absolutely dumbfounded over why cops are so hated and distrusted in this country. They're the ones who've initiated this "Us vs. Them" game with the American public and that unprofessionalism, to put it lightly, that you saw is just a reflection of the type of animosity and cynicism cops carry against the average citizen.
 
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