I wish we could have everyone get on board with this. It won't fix much in the grand scheme of how fucked up the US is, but it's a compassionate start.
Cops Like Me Say Legalize All Drugs. Here’s Why.
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ro4eva;12474642 said:
It's actually the reverse, most codeine is actually synthesized (methylated) from morphine extracted from papaver somniferum. Codeine is found in much lower amounts than morphine in most varieties except thebaine ( used to make oxycodone and hydrocodone amongst others) varieties.
Your body then does the handy trick of metabolising via o-demthylation through the cyp2d6 enzyme the codeine back into morphine, I suppose the main reason is to prevent widespread availability of morphine itself, which can be injected and easily turned into heroin unlike codeine.
People need to stop viewing all drug use as a problem that needs to be treated. I shouldn't be criminalised for wanting to use drugs for knowledge, spiritual enlightenment or just to relax and party. It's a real breath of fresh air to experience the mentality changing.iamthesuck;12312188 said:
This is an excellent opportunity to not only educate people but common sense demands that as the saying"if you keep doing what you've always done,you'll get nothing but the same" which births insanity.
I think it's kinda the same as legalizing prostitution,keeping people medically safe.people are gonna do whatever,might as well be as safe as possible! I've dealt with too many incarcerated mentally ill people never should have been in jail.things must change..put an animal in a cage,fine..men don't belong locked in cages as animals.
I think it's kinda the same as legalizing prostitution,keeping people medically safe.people are gonna do whatever,might as well be as safe as possible! I've dealt with too many incarcerated mentally ill people never should have been in jail.things must change..put an animal in a cage,fine..men don't belong locked in cages as animals.
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for drugs, of course they do not. for theft, assault, murder, etc, they definitely do.badmamaWiWi;12539763 said:
For me, i see it as hypocritical for anyone to claim to believe in justice, while supporting caging people for 'victimless crimes'. If justice is the concern, then a 'crime' w/o a victim, is not a crime. Although, my u
nderstanding is that it's illegal to commit suicide as well, lol
pmoseman;12550497 said:
I wouldn't want to be stolen from, assaulted, or murdered. But I do like being trafficked to, just like any other drug user. That's the fundamental difference between these crimes. Drug trafficking does not go against the Golden Rule. The only victim of an honest drug trafficker is the government, whose oppressive control is being undermined.
pmoseman;12550497 said:
There's a whole heap of reasons why it's right and very few why it isn't.
Our societies condone the supply of psychoactives in the form alcohol , caffeine, nicotine and numerous pharmaceuticals. There is no difference between those commodities and the demand and subsequent supply for illegal drugs.
Do you even use drugs? if not why are you here and if so you're a bloody hypocrite.
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traffickers don't give drugs, they sell/trade them to people who want to acquire them. It's illogical to think that traffickers should be imprisoned, w/o also thinking users should be imprisoned.pmoseman;12550497 said:
i like to think we have some ppl who are ex-users who now are against drugs, and abstinent-for-life ppl (law enforcement etc types), on these boards - nobody should get much pleasure out of a uniformly pro-drug circlejerk echochamber!oldirtybizza;12550782 said:
I agree wholeheartedly w/ the end of your post tho, re hypocrisy. I am just baffled when i encounter people who use something, and do not think it should be legal. I haven't seen/heard this much in life, but some years' ago I was discussing prohibition w/ an adult family member, who occasionally takes a percocet or smokes a joint w/ their buddies when they go on "men's outtings" w/ the guys. He told me he agreed the stuff should be illegal. I'm still unable to wrap my head around this, it's like saying "drunk driving should be illegal, but i still intentionally plan to do it several times this year on special occasions and am do not think it is wrong when i do so"
My dad was cop fir many years and has been saying similar things for the majority of those years, albeit he isn't a member of any "movements" that I'm aware of, he does stop and sign the petitions to legalize when they come around.
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Good for him. If only he actually would do something. Words are words and actions are actions. At least, from what you can tell, his heart seems to be in the right place...
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^have you done anything?
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The point was that it has nothing to do with whether you or I have "done anything." Rather, it is merely that works are one thing and actions are another. Perhaps words are a form of action, but it's just as true that so too is shitting, pissing, eating, masturbating, having sex and sleeping. I was being harsh to the her, true though. Nonetheless, important distinction to keep in mind, lest one enjoys living in la la land.
Where should I start? And perhaps this would be better for a pm conversation, as I certainly would be careful of what I might perhaps state on a public forum. Not that pm's are really much better. Not like I have anything to really worry myself along these (or any) lines. But you know...
Unless there's a topic, like the work street nurses do, you'd prefer to discuss here, or at least in the context of when the street nurse is trying to work from within and attempt to subjugate the system. Not easy to do though, whether you're a cop or anything else. Sure certain people are in better positions to have more significant impacts, but you can imagine how this might make it more problematic in some cases, as well as unrealistic. The status quo, and everything.
Generally, I've noticed that people tend to go along with whatever system benefits them, whether they do so implicitly or explicitly. Kind of like Whiteness. I don't mean literally white skin; I'm refer to White Privilege, where skin color doesn't have much application - as in any caucasian or anyone of any color can be just as much of a nigger, as in the concept of Untermensch, as anyone else).
But I digress...
Where should I start? And perhaps this would be better for a pm conversation, as I certainly would be careful of what I might perhaps state on a public forum. Not that pm's are really much better. Not like I have anything to really worry myself along these (or any) lines. But you know...
Unless there's a topic, like the work street nurses do, you'd prefer to discuss here, or at least in the context of when the street nurse is trying to work from within and attempt to subjugate the system. Not easy to do though, whether you're a cop or anything else. Sure certain people are in better positions to have more significant impacts, but you can imagine how this might make it more problematic in some cases, as well as unrealistic. The status quo, and everything.
Generally, I've noticed that people tend to go along with whatever system benefits them, whether they do so implicitly or explicitly. Kind of like Whiteness. I don't mean literally white skin; I'm refer to White Privilege, where skin color doesn't have much application - as in any caucasian or anyone of any color can be just as much of a nigger, as in the concept of Untermensch, as anyone else).
But I digress...
Im sorry for what your brother went through. Addiction is a powerful thing and I know it too well myself but all I have to say is WOW and thank you for your perspective as an officer of the law!! If only there were more like you out there. GO LEAP!!!! The overcrowding of jails and prisons and trillions of taxpayers dollars spending due to drug-related incidents is rediculous and something has to change with the so called "war on drugs"!!
Go you!! For speaking out as a member of law enforcement! This county would be much better place if there were more officers like you.
Go you!! For speaking out as a member of law enforcement! This county would be much better place if there were more officers like you.
Wasn't it Chris Rock who said "the government doesn't want you to use drugs, they want you to use THIER drugs..."
That's it in a nutshell. When you combine the religious mentality of "if it feels good it must be bad" with corporate interests you get a government locking up people for using drugs that make them feel better. Once you are arrested your SOL. You have no become unemployable. You are not allowed to get government assistance of any kind. So what do you do? Say screw it, I already have a record I'll just sell drugs, rob, etc. You have nothing left to lose really. Or at least that's the position they put you in.
Its wrong to do drugs. But it's okay to do their drugs. The puppets, I mean politicians, have been graciously "donated" (aka bought off) to push pharmaceuticals onto the American people and make billions of dollars profit on just a single drug. Theirs is good, yours is bad. Big Pharma also kills people, sells dangerous products, etc and they just pay the fine and never face criminal charges. Pay a fine of 1/32 of your profit off of a dangerous drug you sold knowingly to the public.
Ugh, I could go on and on but I am going to stop here. Just remember its just these past 100 years where drugs have been outlawed and considered "unmoral and bad". In the early 1900s there was an ad for morphine and hypodermics in the Sears catalog. It showed a picture of a housewife cooking and cleaning and being "content". It was considered a normal thing. Til the Chinese immigrants came over and the politicians wanted them gone because they were taking work away from "the white Americans". Since you can't outlaw being Chinese they outlawed what was stereotypically associated with their culture, opium. Same with blacks and cocaine. Mexicans and weed.
That's it in a nutshell. When you combine the religious mentality of "if it feels good it must be bad" with corporate interests you get a government locking up people for using drugs that make them feel better. Once you are arrested your SOL. You have no become unemployable. You are not allowed to get government assistance of any kind. So what do you do? Say screw it, I already have a record I'll just sell drugs, rob, etc. You have nothing left to lose really. Or at least that's the position they put you in.
Its wrong to do drugs. But it's okay to do their drugs. The puppets, I mean politicians, have been graciously "donated" (aka bought off) to push pharmaceuticals onto the American people and make billions of dollars profit on just a single drug. Theirs is good, yours is bad. Big Pharma also kills people, sells dangerous products, etc and they just pay the fine and never face criminal charges. Pay a fine of 1/32 of your profit off of a dangerous drug you sold knowingly to the public.
Ugh, I could go on and on but I am going to stop here. Just remember its just these past 100 years where drugs have been outlawed and considered "unmoral and bad". In the early 1900s there was an ad for morphine and hypodermics in the Sears catalog. It showed a picture of a housewife cooking and cleaning and being "content". It was considered a normal thing. Til the Chinese immigrants came over and the politicians wanted them gone because they were taking work away from "the white Americans". Since you can't outlaw being Chinese they outlawed what was stereotypically associated with their culture, opium. Same with blacks and cocaine. Mexicans and weed.
quarterrican30;12575007 said:
My very conservative Dad is a retired neurologist and former University professor who wrote a plea for the legalizing of recreational marijuana at the federal level in the N*** almost a decade ago. You gotta take into account the voice of the silent majority. Not surprised JWB didn't but Obama should be more proactive.
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Being the dick again, a lot of things should be different. There's the world as it is, and the world as it should be. Of course, then there's also the world you inhabit 
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I think that words are very important when it comes to legalization, because ending prohibition will be through political means, meaning social acceptance, meaning this is an important conversation to be had many times before public sentiment is such that politicians will favor voting against prohibition. A cop's words carry far more weight to non-using, drug-naive folk; in fact, just simple words from a cop will mean much more than the most logical, impassioned argument from a hippy w/ a clipboard.
i don't know what there is to 'do' outside of words. I don't take issue w/ nurses helping in needle clinics, or w/ ppl using silk road, but neither of those are means towards legalization.
I think that words are very important when it comes to legalization, because ending prohibition will be through political means, meaning social acceptance, meaning this is an important conversation to be had many times before public sentiment is such that politicians will favor voting against prohibition. A cop's words carry far more weight to non-using, drug-naive folk; in fact, just simple words from a cop will mean much more than the most logical, impassioned argument from a hippy w/ a clipboard.
i don't know what there is to 'do' outside of words. I don't take issue w/ nurses helping in needle clinics, or w/ ppl using silk road, but neither of those are means towards legalization.
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I'm not sure how Harm Reduction Treatment Clinics, including NPs in at Needle Exchanges, isn't part of a path towards a sane drug policy, decriminalization and legalization.
Are you familiar with the ideas behind Angela Davis' argument on how prisons are obsolete and can be practically/politically (policy wise) dismantled? Essentially, in a way it can be boiled down to using money spent on prisons and spend it where it's more necessary. Such as spending more appropriately on public health, education, employment services, adequate housing, etc. etc. E.G. the things the vast majority are truly in need of, the things most people are most in need of. Instead of spending the state's money primarily on things like LE, some on edu, a bit on pub health, and a tad on housing and even less on employment services, and one then here and there.
Spending more on real public health essentials wouldn't just create/support more exchanges and true Harm Reduction and evidence based forms of treatment, but it would also help to re-frame the "drug issue" from one narrowly limited to public safety towards one primarily focused on public health. For obvious reasons that would work to highlight the contradiction and problems inherent in the War on Drugs and prohibition, which would work to promote a more popular consensus on the need for legalization.
Needle exchanges alone won't do much though, true. But still can't see how spending more on them (as they're still largely illegal, let alone financially solvent) would be destructive in such a way. And apologies, horrible rendition of her argument on my part, but that's what I can do in 40 seconds off the top of my head. Check out the concise Are Prisons Obsolete? (Angela Davis).
Anyways, I do agree with you though. While I think direct forms of action are very important, the words and especially language (words and how we use and understand them) we use to discuss drugs, the war on drugs, etc. etc. is of vital importance. Such folks are doing a huge service, don't get me wrong. For right now, perhaps it's enough for them to speak up and speak out about the truth of what they and their cohorts are actually doing, in place of the usual "drugs are evil," "just say no," "Protect and Service" bullshit.
I'm not entirely inclined to believe that though. That it's enough. Even for now. But the more people doing what they can, the better off we'd all be.
Are you familiar with the ideas behind Angela Davis' argument on how prisons are obsolete and can be practically/politically (policy wise) dismantled? Essentially, in a way it can be boiled down to using money spent on prisons and spend it where it's more necessary. Such as spending more appropriately on public health, education, employment services, adequate housing, etc. etc. E.G. the things the vast majority are truly in need of, the things most people are most in need of. Instead of spending the state's money primarily on things like LE, some on edu, a bit on pub health, and a tad on housing and even less on employment services, and one then here and there.
Spending more on real public health essentials wouldn't just create/support more exchanges and true Harm Reduction and evidence based forms of treatment, but it would also help to re-frame the "drug issue" from one narrowly limited to public safety towards one primarily focused on public health. For obvious reasons that would work to highlight the contradiction and problems inherent in the War on Drugs and prohibition, which would work to promote a more popular consensus on the need for legalization.
Needle exchanges alone won't do much though, true. But still can't see how spending more on them (as they're still largely illegal, let alone financially solvent) would be destructive in such a way. And apologies, horrible rendition of her argument on my part, but that's what I can do in 40 seconds off the top of my head. Check out the concise Are Prisons Obsolete? (Angela Davis).
Anyways, I do agree with you though. While I think direct forms of action are very important, the words and especially language (words and how we use and understand them) we use to discuss drugs, the war on drugs, etc. etc. is of vital importance. Such folks are doing a huge service, don't get me wrong. For right now, perhaps it's enough for them to speak up and speak out about the truth of what they and their cohorts are actually doing, in place of the usual "drugs are evil," "just say no," "Protect and Service" bullshit.
I'm not entirely inclined to believe that though. That it's enough. Even for now. But the more people doing what they can, the better off we'd all be.