converting my tar to powder ???

['medicine cabinet']

^because then it wouldnt be cheese...hah.

i was going to say, stick it under a heat lamp and go at it with a razor blade ever hour or so, it will eventually get to a powder like consistency. i know it works because ive had to do it before.

or you could cut it with some type of powder like a pill of tylenol PM, but id prolly go with lactose...totally soluble and wont affect the high.

 

[phr]

Sorry, you're incorrect. Tar, even though it is often reported as 98% pure lethal heroin is never, according to my own analysis and forensic literature, anywhere near that level of heroin. It's almost always, for good stuff anyway, in the neighborhood of 30 - 40 % heroin. This is exactly what you would expect for acetylated opium as the best opium has, at most 50 % morphine (however, most is more in the 10 %-40 % range), and the methods used by the Mexican chemists that make tar in no way approach the levels reached by using the Thiboumery and Mohr Process (TMP) or the Robertson and Gregory Process (RGP).


Their heroin conversion is also not efficient and there is at least 10% (of the initial percentage of) remaining morphine as well as 3-MAM and 6-MAM (which occur in even the best chemists work without cleanup); but the giveaway that they start with opium and them acetylate it is the ratios of the sum of codeine plus 3-acetylcodeine, which are equal to 10 % of the sum of the heroin, MAM and free morphine. This is the number you get in nature and suggests that no cleanup was attempted a priori. There also is about 20 % noscapine and derivatives and 20% papaverine and derivatives, again supporting use of straight opium.

I'll have to look up the figures; morphine % in opium, and ratios of other opiate alkaloids in tar and in opium.

Your ratios argument is certainly the strongest one. If you have any references, please post them. They don't necessarily have to be links; authors, studies, etc. are fine. I'll be able to find them myself.


Interesting that there really isn't any literature out there about how tar is actually made.


Have you ever tried tar? If so, how would you compare it with the SA dope?

 

[yiggy]

TO EVERYONE THAT WANTS TO KNOW WHAT BLACK TAR HEROIN IS...

I dont believe tar is simply acetylated opium...

here is what i believe and have figured over the years through chemistry studies and my own work.... i think in mexico they do homebake... which means taking morphine from pills. Extracting it and then Using acetic anhydride and baking it. Then they EXCLUDE THE CLEANUP.... and when its not cleaned u get black tar. Which is very strong heroin. just not as clean, but it is probably at least 60% heroin, 20-30% morphine and some intermediates like MAM.

Any questions ill be glad to answer

explain the alkaloids that commonly show up on a Gas spec? they are all opium alkaloids.

 

[yiggy]

Why tylenol PM? Why not something inert?

exactly.

also tylenol of ALL things is the worst because its not water soluble so it will just clog ur nose!

 

[paradoxcycle]

Have you ever tried tar? If so, how would you compare it with the SA dope?

By SA dope, I am assuming you mean Sigma-Aldrich brand heroin, and there is no comparison. The tar is a dirty high, although it can be quite potent; however, it causes more welts and hives, redness and itching (basically the 4 signs of an immunogenic response when you include increased temperature). The rush from tar has never, IME, been impressive. I have always liked white dope the best (from Columbia and the Golden Triangle) followed by the light brown or tan South Western Asia dope (from the Golden Crescent plus Myanmar/Burma and Afghanistan). Tar and its inferior cousin Mexican Mud (which is just cut tar with almost anything) have never impressed me other than the price.


Sigma's stuff is about $500-$600 a gram and it is absolutely worth every penny of it, although compared to street dope, the price is higher than good white Columbian dope, but finding it is always difficult for me. The rush is as perfect as heroin can be (it is not anywhere close to fentanyl or PFF or AMF). I don't mess with heroin anymore so it has been a while, and if I do slip up I use para-fluorofentanyl as it is my new favorite. But since I'm no longer depressed, my life is not a constant search for drugs. I rarely do too much else except maybe some ketamine or some fentanyl derivatives, but I limit these to no more than once a month.

 

[jdizzle]

He means South American dope^

 

[phr]

^
Right.


I'm not even gonna bother about how one would get access to Sigma chemicals without working in some sort of related field.

 

[hatethered]

lol i knew id get laughed at by bringing the whole "cheese" thing up and yes, i've used lactose and it works great. it beats the hell out of using tylenol pm.

^because then it wouldnt be cheese...hah.

i was going to say, stick it under a heat lamp and go at it with a razor blade ever hour or so, it will eventually get to a powder like consistency. i know it works because ive had to do it before.

or you could cut it with some type of powder like a pill of tylenol PM, but id prolly go with lactose...totally soluble and wont affect the high.

 

[paradoxcycle]

^
Right.

Columbian dope these days seems to be the best of the choices available. I always have liked white dope better than tan or brown dope, but finding Columbian dope has not been something that was easy. I can find all kinds of SA cocaine, but not heroin. They did try to introduce it to the US by giving away a few free kilos with every 100 kilos of cocaine purchased so people could try it, but I have never been a drug seller so I only know these things second-hand.

 

[phr]

You're on the East Coast? I think you said you're in the same area as me, Philly. What you're gettin' on the street is Colombian.

 

[paradoxcycle]

I do travel though