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Because I can see this one with my own eyes. Asymmetrical fires cannot cause a symmetrical collapse.
I can show you a ton of videos of buildings coming down due to implosions, then go look at footage of buildings that have come down due to fire.
Just look at the Grenfell tower in London, it burned all night and wasn't even close to collapsing. WTC7 was far more structurally sound, and even if the structure was damaged it wouldn't have been every column simultaneously (unless they were blown).

Silverstein even said "pull it" which is controlled demolition slang - he also took out a new insurance policy against the towers not long before they collapsed collecting billions in the process (lucky guy)
Then WTC7 wasn't mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report.
It says a lot that most people are unaware that this building even fell that day.

And how exactly do you conceal the couple weeks setting up the demolition charges when there are people already working in the building?
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By working quietly. Pretend you're doing maintenance etc.
 
The elevator shafts were actually undergoing major maintenance 3 months prior.

And the 11 mossad agents arrested filming it with bombs in there van.

Theres literly 100+ inconsistencies and barely any that actually fit the 'government story'.

They even had to rewrite the initial 9/11 report 2 years later due to so many a, False Information and b, facts that were proven wrong.

Thats more than enough for me. But I respect everyones right to opinion!
 
Yeah I find that the people who hold very strong opinions towards the official story are generally unaware of all the facts.

The FBI recently released some (redacted) photos of the 'Dancing Israelis' that were arrested on 9/11 as they were spotted cheering and celebrating after the first plane hit.

Didn't make the news!
 
Could you provide evidence that he made billions from the towers collapse? Because I have investigated this exact argument in the past and each time I arrived at the conclusion that there's no way he could have made a net profit when you add in the losses he would have suffered from the loss of the building.

Also can you provide me evidence that "pull it" is specifically jargon referring to giving the order to detonate a building? Cause I've looked into that too and wasn't able to find evidence of that.

And that's putting aside the fact that it's asking me to believe that this conspiracy was so well executed as to successfully wire up and detonate the buildings under the cover of airplane impact damage, but were too stupid to not outright publicly say to blow it up.

Also, work quietly? How exactly are you supposed to work quietly. You're wiring up a building to collapse, wouldn't that require tearing down walls to get to the supports? And what about building security. The WTC had been previously bombed in the early 90s, am I really supposed to believe that nobody noticed or detected them wiring up the building for demolition right in front of everyone?

Or is the argument that absolutely everyone was bought off or something? How is any of that more plausible than the official explanation.

The trick of the 9/11 conspiracy is it floods people with piles of supposed facts, so that people intuitively believe that it has to be true if even a small number of the claims are true. But that's a mistaken impression. There are just as many explanations for all the supposed facts if you look into all of them.
 
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JessFR said:
Could you provide evidence that he made billions from the towers collapse? Because I have investigated this exact argument in the past and each time I arrived at the conclusion that there's no way he could have made a net profit when you add in the losses he would have suffered from the loss of the building.
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I'm happy to provide sources but please do your own research properly. You've had over a decade to find this information

JessFR said:
Also can you provide me evidence that "pull it" is specifically jargon referring to giving the order to detonate a building? Cause I've looked into that too and wasn't able to find evidence of that.
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Call a demolitions company in your country and ask them. This doesn't prove anything btw it was just interesting.

JessFR said:
And that's putting aside the fact that it's asking me to believe that this conspiracy was so well executed as to successfully wire up and detonate the buildings under the cover of airplane impact damage, but were too stupid to not outright publicly say to blow it up.
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lol a year before, the PNAC think thank said that they want to start conducting multiple regime change wars in the Middle East, but need a catalyst to instigate it, "a new Pearl Harbor". They are often that blatant and they continuously get away with it.

JessFR said:
Also, work quietly? How exactly are you supposed to work quietly. You're wiring up a building to collapse, wouldn't that require tearing down walls to get to the supports? And what about building security. The WTC had been previously bombed in the early 90s, am I really supposed to believe that nobody noticed or detected them wiring up the building for demolition right in front of everyone?
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"George W. Bush's brother was on the board of directors of a company providing electronic security for the World Trade Center, Dulles International Airport and United Airlines, according to public records. The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for years to the Bush family." - What a coincidence.

JessFR said:
Or is the argument that absolutely everyone was bought off or something? How is any of that more plausible than the official explanation.
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It's called compartmentalization. Are you away of Norman Mineta's testimony regarding Dick Cheney before the plane hit the Pentagon? Go watch it, it's very interesting.

JessFR said:
The trick of the 9/11 conspiracy is it floods people with piles of supposed facts, so that people intuitively believe that it has to be true if even a small number of the claims are true.
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There's actually a ton of disinformation and false leads that were injected into the '9/11 truth movement' which made the researchers look crazy or turn people off looking into it because there is soooo much nonsense. It's important to differentiate the facts from the fiction.

JessFR said:
There are just as many explanations for all the supposed facts if you look into all of them.
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Not really, there is plenty suspicious regarding the 9/11 attacks that cannot be easily explained.
 
I don't have time to cover the rest of your post right this second, but I just wanna mention something quickly.

Your source doesn't tell me anything. I asked for evidence that silverstein made a net profit. Not if he made any money in gross terms form the insurance. There's a big difference.

There's a reason I said "each time I arrived at the conclusion that there's no way he could have made a net profit when you add in the losses he would have suffered from the loss of the building."
 
Ex-mercenary claims South African group tried to spread Aids
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Ex-mercenary claims South African group tried to spread Aids

New documentary details unit’s disturbing obsession with HIV
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A South Africa-based mercenary group has been accused by one of its former members of trying to intentionally spread Aids in southern Africa in the 1980s and 1990s.

The claims are made by Alexander Jones in a documentary that premieres this weekend at the Sundance film festival. He says he spent years as an intelligence officer with the South African Institute for Maritime Research (SAIMR), three decades ago, when it was masterminding coups and other violence across Africa.

The film also explores the unexplained murder of a young SAIMR recruit in 1990, whose family believe was killed because of her work on an Aids-related project run by the group in South Africa and Mozambique.

And it also claims the group’s then leader had a racist, apocalyptic obsession with HIV/Aids. Keith Maxwell wrote about a plague he hoped would decimate black populations, cement white rule, and bring back conservative religious mores, according to papers collected by the film-makers.

Maxwell had no medical qualifications but ran clinics in poor, mostly black areas around Johannesburg while claiming to be a doctor. That gave him the opportunity for sinister experimentation, Jones says in the film, Cold Case Hammarskjöld. The film-makers were investigating SAIMR because it claimed responsibility for the mysterious 1961 plane crash that killed Dag Hammarskjöld, then UN secretary general.

“What easier way to get a guinea pig than [when] you live in an apartheid system?” Jones says in the film. “Black people have got no rights, they need medical treatment. There’s a white ‘philanthropist’ coming in and saying, ‘You know, I’ll open up these clinics and I’ll treat you.’ And meantime [he is] actually the wolf in sheep’s clothing.”
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Robert Mueller helped Saudi Arabia cover up its role in 9/11 attacks: suit
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Robert Mueller helped Saudi Arabia cover up its role in 9/11 attacks: suit

After a lengthy investigation, special counsel Robert Mueller charged Russia made “multiple, systematic efforts to interfere in our election” and said the incursion “deserves the attention of every…
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After a lengthy investigation, special counsel Robert Mueller charged Russia made “multiple, systematic efforts to interfere in our election” and said the incursion “deserves the attention of every American.”

But former FBI investigators say their old boss didn’t feel the same concern when they uncovered multiple, systemic efforts by the Saudi government to assist the hijackers in the lead-up to the 9/11 attacks — a far more consequential, to say nothing of deadly, foreign influence operation on America.

As the head of the FBI at the time, they say Mueller was not nearly as interested in investigating that espionage conspiracy, which also involved foreign intelligence officers. Far from it, the record shows he covered up evidence pointing back to the Saudi Embassy and Riyadh — and may have even misled Congress about what he knew.

9/11 victims agree. “He was the master when it came to covering up the kingdom’s role in 9/11,” said survivor Sharon Premoli, who was pulled from the rubble of the World Trade Center 18 years ago.

“In October of 2001, Mueller shut down the government’s investigation after only three weeks, and then took part in the Bush [administration’s] campaign to block, obfuscate and generally stop anything about Saudi Arabia from being released,” added Premoli, now a plaintiff in the 9/11 lawsuit against Saudi Arabia.

In fact, Mueller threw up roadblocks in the path of his own investigators working the 9/11 case, while making it easier for Saudi suspects to escape questioning, multiple case agents told me. Then he deep-sixed what evidence his agents did manage to uncover, according to the 9/11 lawsuit against the Saudis.
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I believe Alasdairm vouched for Robert Mueller's credibility on multiple occasions.
 
JessFR - here's a legitimate 9/11 whistleblower for you. Michael Springmann was indirectly involved when he was ordered to fast-track dodgy visas while working at a consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. He refused and was replaced, but this an example of compartmentalization - people not truly knowing what they may be involved in.

 
JGrimez said:
I believe Alasdairm vouched for Robert Mueller's credibility on multiple occasions.
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what does that even mean? i wasn't involved in his appointment...

i did once write this however.

alasdairm said:
mueller was appointed fbi director by george w. bush and served under him for 10 years. he's a republican and his appointment as special counsel was welcomed by both republicans and democrats in a rare show of bipartisan agreement.
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which is just, you know, facts.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
what does that even mean? i wasn't involved in his appointment...

i did once write this however.

which is just, you know, facts.

alasdair
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I from the start tried to expose how dodgy and compromised Mueller was, I remember you distinctly vouching for his credibility, even when a ton of information was publicly available regarding him. His involvement in 9/11 and Uranium One should have been cause for concern themselves, but because he was going after Trump at the time you were defending his reputation.
 
JGrimez said:
I remember you distinctly vouching for his credibility...
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if that is true, post a link to the post. thanks.

i'm still waiting to find out what "unbelievable explanation" i offered in the epstein case, by the way.

i've asked 3 or 4 times and you've either not seen my requests or have chosen to ignore them. so, again, what "unbelievable explanation" did i offer?

alasdair
 
If I said that about you it's because you were laughing at the "conspiracy theorists" along with Jess so I assumed you agreed with her stance, because otherwise why would you be mocking the conspiracy theorists? If you believe there was foul play involved in the Epstein death then you are now part of the conspiracy theory crowd. Welcome Ali.
 
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