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Consciousness

I am in the midst of another conversation on another thread about the 7 higher dimensions and how matter must occupy space (or not occupy) within them in order to exist. It is possible that thought and conciousness exist beyond the classic 3/4 dimensions we're familiar with? If so is it possible that one conciousness can come into contact with another conciousness outside of 3D space?
 
^^^Sweet, so freaks everywhere are trying to figure this nonsenes out. I want some inroads. Who am I????? I used to know. I've become a perfects tranger to myself.
 
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uhh sorry but that just tripped the laugh circuit
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mulberryman said:
I am in the midst of another conversation on another thread about the 7 higher dimensions and how matter must occupy space (or not occupy) within them in order to exist. It is possible that thought and conciousness exist beyond the classic 3/4 dimensions we're familiar with? If so is it possible that one conciousness can come into contact with another conciousness outside of 3D space?
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The hypothetical "sterile neutrino" is theorized to travel outside of our 4-dimensional "brane" into the higher spatial "bulk" after being created during neutrino "flavor oscillation", and to interact only via gravity and no other fundamental force. Perhaps something like this underlies consciousness, or there is something like a "menton", or mental particle, that travels outside the brane (and the brain) and could interact with other mentons in ways that translate into thought. But goddamn that's a big "perhaps".
 
I guess a better question would be just what is the nature of conciousness? Is it merely an illusionary byproduct of the electrochemical reactions occuring in our brains, or does it have dimension to it? Does thought exist as a real thing, or is this only the wishful thinking of those who would beleive that our ideas, perceptions, beleifs, emotions, and ideals can have an inherent purpose, even when not directly applied to the physical world?
 
And look what we do with this incredible gift - either numb it with endless television or beat it into submission with alcohol...

Are we really the best evolution could manage in four and a half billion years =D. I think someone hasn't kept their eye on the ball in the 'lets make these big, pushy apes aware of their own existance' stakes =D.

If some deity is responsible for us, I hesitate to call them perfect as their latest model seems to have a few bugs in the machinery. I wonder if there is some sort of celestial recall of misfunctioning products like supermarkets have on faulty goods - we're well on the way to being the evolutionary 'botulism infected hazelnut yoghurt'...

=D
 
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What about the final days of the dying universe, when we have evolved into extremely slow-thinking slightly concious wisps of gas and floating plasma
 
Dondante said:
Physics tells us that the world is pure information. Consciousness seems to be something over and above a physical picture of reality; there is an intrinsic quality to it.
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If the world is pure information, awareness is the screen on which information is projected.
 
Following the skeptical stance, the only thing you can be sure of is existance itself. There is an observer and there is something being observed. That's all that is directly in front of you empirically. Any conceptions of there being a reality outside your direct experience is ultimately an interprative conception. In that sense the world that you know is information, it's what is projected in the awareness that is you. We never experience this world we interpret as being outside of us. All we are directly engaging are perspectives. As such all that can be empirically said to exist are perspectives. From a certain perspective, this is the same thing as information.
 
willow11 said:
TO YOUGENE ^^^How can you even be sure of existence?
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Rene Descartes famous conclusion,'I think therefore I am'. What the existance is (ie the model you construct from sensory input) can never be proved to be there in the way that you conceive it, it's only certain that you exist...

As Ebeneezer Scrooge comments upon first seeing the ghost of Jacob Marley in 'A Christmas Carol', "You're not real, just the result of some undigested cheese" - we have no idea if what we perceive with our senses is a true reflection of the world outside our conciousness, we just have to work on the basis that they're most probably true and react to them as such
 
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I think a distinction needs to be drawn between pure formless awareness and consciousness. Consciousness is the structures that interiorize the "outside" into your awareness. Awareness is what is aware(apologize for the circularity) of this interiority. Things like emotions, logic, self-awareness, these are all objects that you are aware off. They are not awareness itself.
 
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But how can self-awareness not be awareness. If not for the self, could there be awareness. We often speak of group awareness, but is this really a real thing? Is it not just a collective of individual conciousnesses? I think therefore I am, but without the I, how can there be an am?
 
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