Heroin confused about how much heat to cook my dope

[tablehead]

I noticed that If I dont heat my mixture to the point of boiling it is a very dark color and after drawing into the syringe I sometimes see particulates floating around in the liquid solution.

However if I heat it enough for it to boil for just a second, the liquid becomes alot more clear and the particulates disapear when I draw into the syringe. But little black flakes are left behind in the cooker. Sooo which method should I use, and why are particulates getting through my filter...

 

[dokomo]

Unless you're shooting brown heroin where you have to add citric acid (common in europe) you don't need to apply ANY heat whatsoever.

In fact, adding heat only serves to get more insoluble binders and fillers to dissolve. As the liquid cools, these precipitate back out (this happens in your bloodstream as well.)

Long story short--DONT HEAT. Heroin is very water soluble and will dissolve just fine. Simply mix with cold water and filter. I also feel compelled to strongly recommend micron filtering your shots to remove/reduce bacterial contamination as well as binders/fillers. Theres a link in my signature line below.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

yeah like dok said heat is not usually needed and it is a common mistake/practice that people make/do.. I know the dope i used to do required no heat and in fact we used plastic spoons so heating would have been retarded if we did it lol.. anyways micron filtering is a good idea but then there is the question of how many times can you use one filter and how to keep it sterile between uses or it could get quite expensive using a new one every shot.
But if your dope has a lot of shit floating in it and it can make its way in your veins than it's deff. a investment to make.

So in other words... i completely agree with dokomo's post.

 

[tablehead]

Unless you're shooting brown heroin where you have to add citric acid (common in europe) you don't need to apply ANY heat whatsoever.

In fact, adding heat only serves to get more insoluble binders and fillers to dissolve. As the liquid cools, these precipitate back out (this happens in your bloodstream as well.)

Long story short--DONT HEAT. Heroin is very water soluble and will dissolve just fine. Simply mix with cold water and filter. I also feel compelled to strongly recommend micron filtering your shots to remove/reduce bacterial contamination as well as binders/fillers. Theres a link in my signature line below.

So, when i look in the syringe and see all these little peices floating around in it, thats completely normal, and I shouldnt worry? It really seams like I NEED to heat it, especially to sanitize the water I use. Can I take a picture of these particles floating around in the syringe and show you,,, But I dont think it matters, I cant imagine any particles in the syringe are good for me...Blood clot??

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

the shit floating around gets in when you DONT heat??
it should be the other way around.. you should use cold water (like was said) and just mix in the heroin and filter through a cotton and none of those insolubles should make it through the cotton into the rig and if it is than deffinately micron filter.

 

[tablehead]

so when the parcipitates back out thats binders and fillers n shit? Is it ok to shoot? cause i cant filter them out no matter what I do.

Let me clarify, the small particulates I see in the syringe I can see in theliquid before drawing up. IF i HEAT I can see these particulates start to stick and group together and turn into big little clumps which are then to big to be drawn up. In my case I think it is necessary to heat.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

than it would be best to start micron filtering your shots .. i wouldn't inject random shit that's floating in the rig.

Your call bro.

i would snort it until you can get some micron filters.. check out http://www.gpzservices.com/items/products/filtration/-br-syringe-filters/list.htm and http://www.gpzservices.com/items/products/syringe-only/list.htm

 

[Cane2theLeft]

So, when i look in the syringe and see all these little peices floating around in it, thats completely normal, and I shouldnt worry? It really seams like I NEED to heat it, especially to sanitize the water I use. Can I take a picture of these particles floating around in the syringe and show you,,, But I dont think it matters, I cant imagine any particles in the syringe are good for me...Blood clot??

Heating it more isn't preventing them from getting in your shot, it just melts them into it so you can't see them and you feel better.

Whether using microns, a back-loaded syringe full of cotton or whatever, you need to filter better.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

Heating it more isn't preventing them from getting in your shot, it just melts them into it so you can't see them and you feel better.

Whether using microns, a back-loaded syringe full of cotton or whatever, you need to filter better.

^ great idea..

i have pushed 5 suboxones through 1 cottonball compressed at the bottom of a 5ml luer lock and after pushing 30ml through all it i re filtered the solution through a micron and no orange was even in the micron at all! it looked like a brand new micron after i was done, so back loading cotton is very effective.. again, good idea Cane.

 

[dokomo]

Heating it more isn't preventing them from getting in your shot, it just melts them into it so you can't see them and you feel better.

Whether using microns, a back-loaded syringe full of cotton or whatever, you need to filter better.

Exactly.

OP, you definitely should NOT shoot anything where you can see visible particulates. Heating your shot does NOT sterilize it despite what you may think. You'd have to boil it for more than 20 minutes straight for sterilization.

Again, NO heat is needed. As cane said, heat just makes you feel better because you can't see anything, but in reality you're packing all sorts of binders/fillers/god knows what else into your bloodstream and into your lungs and small blood vessels.

 

[tablehead]

^ great idea..

i have pushed 5 suboxones through 1 cottonball compressed at the bottom of a 5ml luer lock and after pushing 30ml through all it i re filtered the solution through a micron and no orange was even in the micron at all! it looked like a brand new micron after i was done, so back loading cotton is very effective.. again, good idea Cane.

Explain how this back-loading cotton works. How to do it...

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

take a cotton ball or if using a smaller rig than a piece of cottonball and pull the plunger out the back of the syringe put the cotton in and then the plunger back in and push it all the way down towards the tip.. then remove the plunger again, add heroin and COLD water until almost filled and put the plunger back in and push it through the cotton into a clean spoon (repeat if you want) and then using a new rig, regular filter with a cotton in the spoon and pull it up in the rig and you have a solution filtered very well.

 

[Znegative]

I used to just do cold shots of heroin, but I've noticed with some of the junk that's out there you do have to heat a little to draw up all the heroin. This is usually the type of heroin that looks like mud when you spray the water on, and has little lumps in it even after you stir it. I'm on the east coast so I'm not sure if I've just aquired some weird type of tar a few times, or if it was just cut with horse shit, but I did notice a difference when I shot it after heating then when I didnt.

Also, when heating, I never let it really boil. I wait for the bubbles on the side of the water to start sizzling a little and then I stop. I know morphine is easily destroyed by heat, (Or at least I've heard that) so I always fear that heating heroin to much will fuck it up too.

Really good powder though is stupid to heat though honestly. For the most part cold or hot shots don't seem to make a difference

 

[CheesyNKY]

Yeah a lot of the shit I get it seems like I HAVE to heat. When just adding cold water, theres still like little rocks and junk left at the bottom of the gear. I've always been under the impression the heating was a way to stereilize / and break down shit.

 

[Fireandrain]

"I used to just do cold shots of heroin, but I've noticed with some of the junk that's out there you do have to heat a little to draw up all the heroin. "

My concern is always that not heating it enough results in chunks getting stuck in the cotton.

 

[ThePharmicist]

Unless you're shooting brown heroin where you have to add citric acid (common in europe) you don't need to apply ANY heat whatsoever.

What about when you're shooting tar? You need to heat tar when you're shooting that. The key is to not heat it to much – otherwise yes, you will be releasing more crap into your solution.

 

[dokomo]

What about when you're shooting tar? You need to heat tar when you're shooting that. The key is to not heat it to much – otherwise yes, you will be releasing more crap into your solution.

No, you don't. The diacetylmorphine in black tar is perfectly water soluble. And you're releasing a lot of crap into your solution ANY time you heat it AT ALL (just to be clear.)

 

[pantiespending]

:Bummppp: Sorry for revisiting such an old thread but damn did I hear someone say they see particulate matter floating about in their syringe so their first idea is to cook it into the solution wow were some of you dropped as children we all need to appreciate the complexity of our veins and circulatory system or else cause permanent damage to ourselves.

God if anyone has time come to pa where stamp bags regularly are tested at purity levels of 78% to even 88% pure I take for granted the clean white powder in which i recieve. Hell I mix in a plastic spoon just add water, stir slightly and watch it turn a beautiful amber color.....filter.....draw....insert......drop plunger.....God Damn what a rush

Everyone here has pretty much hit the nail on the head and has provided relatively sound information. Heroin or Diacetylmorphine is was water soluble it was designed to be exactly that way meaning that with out heat, pressure, solvents and excessive stirring the heroin will dissolve effortlesly into your water solution. I realize that this is an old thread but im bumping it because it is very important topic and will help achieve this sites overall goal of harm reduction. With a quick stir your solution will be ready to go and bang. As many previous posters have stated all that is achieved by heating is dissolving the insolubles into the water. Due to the fact that heroin is soluble at room temp, when one cooks their spoon they are effectively helping, the cutting agents, additives and anything else that may be found in your dope, dissolve into your solution. I realize because the state in which i reside has an abundance of china white and columbian white it may seem to me that it does not make sense to cook it. HAving shot dope in other areas where the h is not so pure i could easily conclude why this is many persons first thought. The user mixes in water into the solution the part of their dope that is the actual diacetylmorphine is the first to dissolve and than it may look as though as there is dope left to be dissolved. However this is nothing more than cut and impurities floating about in your solution and a junkies first thought is hey I want to get the most from my dope and applies light heat to assist these additional particles(not heroin) to be dissolved. In the end these particles that will dissolve with the addition of heat will reappear as their solution cools and come back out even in the blood stream. Needless to say this is very dangerous. Insoluble particles can cause blood clotting or stop up capillaries and alvioli in ones lungs and cause devastating effects on ones body. In short always always cold shoot and always always filter it is our job as educated drug users with tools to our aid such as bluelight use safely and set an example for everyone else. If we were all smart enough to do some research we may be able to keep from harmin ourselves or spreading false information that is dangerous to the users of drugs. Please fellow bluelighters be smart and maybe one day this pointless period of prohibition that does nothing more than facilitiate crime, violence, gangs and criminal enterprises may one day hopefully end..... Peace and safety through knowledge for all

:End Rant: Idk where that came from oh ya I just did a 5 bag shot of some kill thats where it originated lol


:edit: the only exception to the rule is heroin #3 which needs and added solvent(citric or other acid to dissolve into water) correct me if im wrong but the formulations have just not been refined as well as #4 and still do not require the addition of heat but just an acid i.e. lemon juice or vinegar also I believe #3 is only found in Europe as I personally have never came across anything besides powder #4 or shitty black tar(argue all you want black tar is never as good as solid white/tan powder and has a much higher PH therefore making it much harder on ones veins) but IDK anyone who prefers tar over powder except smokers of H but rhey I guess if your thing is to fuck your circulatory system up or BTH is all you can find, use away

 

[jones-in_J]

Everyone overlooks scramble like we get a lot of the time in baltimore- that shit has to be cooked. For raw #4 like you get most places though i agree, no heat

 

[pantiespending]

ya sorry thats why I added correct me if Im wrong I knew nothing of scramble can any one elaborate on what scramble is exactly or what categorizes scramble I am not sure I have never heard of this... Thanks