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Confederate flag on state property/on state flags?

Of course slavery was a part of it, but states rights was the biggest factor. Essentially the south didn't want the fed telling them what to do and then they wanted to cut off their cash cow ie slavery. I'm not some bigot asshole just a history buff. The state flags represent the state and its history idgaf it it offends people looking for sympathy or gives liberal white people a reason to feel as though they are dealing out reparations. That shit is stupid political nonsense. It is important we preserve history so we remember our mistakes and not to erase everything and pretend it never happened. Maybe I'll go get a 53-01 ga flag and put it on my truck fuck all these yuppys and their manufactured plight
 
Fair enough on the history. When you wore the flag t-shirt in high school, didn't some of the students at least make comments to you? You must have had some black friends as well as white friends. Did any of your black friends say anything about it or find it offensive?
 
Fair enough on the history. When you wore the flag t-shirt in high school, didn't some of the students at least make comments to you? You must have had some black friends as well as white friends. Did any of your black friends say anything about it or find it offensive?

I had black acquaintances but the school was very strange. White people didnt really associate with black people. Still very segregated in SW georgia and there is a lot of white flight and a lot of racism on both sides of the equation. I wanted to use reverse racism as a term but this isnt the lounge. The black people mostly just were not bothered by the confederate flag at that point in time. In fact I remember a number of people that hung the flag from their center mirror; I wasnt sure if it was a gang thing or what. My theory is the issue gained prominence as highlighting racial inequality/injustice manufactured or legitimate became monetized. We live in a society where being offended is an industry and this issue was just begging to be capitalized upon.

So here is KY they are going to remove a statue of Jefferson Davis(president of the confederacy) from the state capitol it was just announced today. So do we get a list of people that were on the wrong side of history and start erasing their legacy? Do you see the dangerous precedence here. This is not necessarily a right/left issue but the progressives certainly lead with this most of the time.
 
I'm not some bigot asshole just a history buff. The state flags represent the state and its history idgaf it it offends people looking for sympathy or gives liberal white people a reason to feel as though they are dealing out reparations. That shit is stupid political nonsense. It is important we preserve history so we remember our mistakes and not to erase everything and pretend it never happened.

yes, of course. it represents 1.1% of georgia's history. lets cling to that as the most important part of its 250 odd years as a state. it's 4 year reign as a member of confederacy. those four years man. the most important thing this state ever did. good fucking christ do you hear yourself? like when you speak words out loud. unless of course you mean when it meant more than that. for longer. like when it was reintroduced to terrorize black people from the southern strategy onwards? then it's a bit more of our history. but you don't believe that because it isn't about racism, right?

I in no way associate the battle flag with racism but since it has been tainted by hate groups I do not choose to fly it. I am simply a history buff.

you keep saying this. but it doesn't mean anything. you're trying to use your interest in something disgusting (the era of chattel slavery in this country) as a way to wave this off as a concern that actually had been used in the machinations to kill people. i'm bemused that you think this is some how just like a weekend warrior kind of thing, that you can just be a well informed casual racist on some things. the civil war was about slavery. period. that's all it was about. you can try to obfuscate as much as you want, but that's it. Lincoln said no, the south said fuck you we're team slavery, and they went to war. that is literally all that happened. blah blah blah it was about the economy. yes. the economy of buying and selling human beings and working them to death. which is called slavery. it's like revolting that you could think anything other wise, but i guess i'm not surprised.

White people didnt really associate with black people.

The black people mostly just were not bothered by the confederate flag at that point in time.

because you spent so much time not associating with you that they felt comfortable in telling you how much of a racist asshole you were? because they spent so much time interacting with white people who openly wore confederate flags?

like i've heard some dumb shit come out of your mouth but that has to be some of the dumbest shit i've ever heard. it's so white boy to be like "how could i have known i was being racist? no black people said anything to me." 8)
 
I had black friends but they were the ones that lived in my neighborhood. Segregation was still alive and well in my part of GA I am sure 90s ATL was much more progressive. My parents were not from there so I was never exposed to ingrained racism. I was never racist towards anyone and never have been. My black friends couldnt of cared less about my rebel flag shirt mostly because it was meant to be ironic and it was in jest poking fun at the inbreds at the school. Zell Miller was the man.

You never answered my question what are your thoughts on GAs current flag?

Attempting to erase history is one of the most detrimental things progressives can do to our society imo. It happened and nothing will ever change that. Lincoln didnt give a shit about slavery, but northern interests did not like the fact that they had to pay wages so slavery got the ax.
 
I don't think history is being erased. It's more like the period in history symbolized by the flag and Jef Davis no longer represent the ideals of most people in GA.
 
lol can you even tell me what the civil war was fought over?

A president from a party with a strong abolitionist component was elected, with little support from the southern states, and the southern states decided that they didn't want to be part of the US anymore. Part of that was due to diverging economies and disagreements over the increased federalization of the US, but the status of blacks in America was very much part of the reason as well.

From the infamous Cornerstone Speech:

But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other — though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution — African slavery as it exists amongst us — the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew."


Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery — subordination to the superior race — is his natural and normal condition. [Applause.] This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind — from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity. One of the most striking characteristics of insanity, in many instances, is forming correct conclusions from fancied or erroneous premises; so with the anti-slavery fanatics; their conclusions are right if their premises were. They assume that the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights with the white man. If their premises were correct, their conclusions would be logical and just — but their premise being wrong, their whole argument fails. I recollect once of having heard a gentleman from one of the northern States, of great power and ability, announce in the House of Representatives, with imposing effect, that we of the South would be compelled, ultimately, to yield upon this subject of slavery, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics, as it was in physics or mechanics. That the principle would ultimately prevail. That we, in maintaining slavery as it exists with us, were warring against a principle, a principle founded in nature, the principle of the equality of men. The reply I made to him was, that upon his own grounds, we should, ultimately, succeed, and that he and his associates, in this crusade against our institutions, would ultimately fail. The truth announced, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics as it was in physics and mechanics, I admitted; but told him that it was he, and those acting with him, who were warring against a principle. They were attempting to make things equal which the Creator had made unequal.
 
Wtf.. Looks like Amazon pulled the flag too. Walmart didn't really surprise me but this is ridiculous. I guess if we just ban everything that might offend some people and take away law abiding citizen's guns psychopaths will stop murdering people. smdh
 
Wtf.. Looks like Amazon pulled the flag too. Walmart didn't really surprise me but this is ridiculous. I guess if we just ban everything that might offend some people...
says the man who wants to ban a constitutionally-protected form of free speech because it offends him.
...and take away law abiding citizen's guns psychopaths will stop murdering people. smdh
can you post links to, say, 5 posts in this forum where somebody is arguing for taking away guns from law-abiding citizens. hell, post just 2.

i think we can all agree that it would be better if it was a little harder for psychopaths intent on murder to get their hands on guns quite so easily?

alasdair
 
confederate flag

I went to this stupid baptist church earlier and the pastor was defending the flag said if we ban it we have to ban skull and bones flag. The same thing to hI'm. Saying if we ban one flag we have to ban all that offend ppl. What is he even talking a out with skull and bones?
 
Do u buy his slippery slope argument? Can u tellme what he meant by skull and bones? I guess his argument is that we could start banning legit history
 
Didn't Yankee soldiers rape slaves?

yes and hitler was nice to dogs and a vegetarian and martin luther king was a republican. doesn't mean i'm going to start hitting my dog or voting against my own interests or eating veal to prove a shitty point on the internet.
 
Kenny dont be the problem be the solution. I want my kids taught real history not this rainbow love fuck nonsense pussy asses are tying to conjure up these ddays. Confederates had great minds on their side with their hearts in the wrong place. We dont need to erase it we need to redefine it. Why let the evil fuckers steal what is rightfully ours? It is all perception/reactionary. Believe it or not Im on your side baby girl.
 
Yes. lets ban guns and make all the drugs legal. That'll definitely keep law abiding citizens safe, especially since criminals will find a way to get guns regardless. Hey, lets do away with the first amendment while we're at it since some californian yoga enthusiasts get offended by it.


God help us if one of you delusional, vegan hippies actually gets in a position of power one day.
 
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