Stimulants Concerta - Coming up freak out

[Amandalynn913]

Last week, I took probably around 21-30 MG's of Concerta. I took Ritalin like 2 years ago, didn't take another stimulate until the Concerta. About an hour after I took it, I more/less freaked out. I thought I was having an allergic reaction and what not(which I wasn't). I just took more, how can I reduce this "coming up" freak out. I'm fine when it peaks, ect. It's just that when it hits me, it hits me hard. I do have benzo's and blood pressure reduction meds, but if it hits me I don't feel like adding more drugs to the mixture

 

[Tryptamino]

well, if you don't want to add benzos, there's not much you can do aside from stop taking it. I personally have always gotten the exact opposite feeling during the onset, the comeup of stimulants was a small rush of exhilaration and anticipation. Nowadays when I do stims, it's even like a wave of relaxation. I think mind over matter would serve you just fine, just stay aware that it's gonna be fine, and if it's only 30mgs, then trust me, you'll be fine, if you survived it once you'll survive the same dose again, MPH builds tolerance FAST. If you still can't do it, you could try taking a benzo, although you'd have to dose kinda low. What kind of benzos and blood pressure meds do you have?

 

[Amandalynn913]

I have like .5MG's of both Xanax and Klonopin. <I don't believe in heavy dosing, in even rec. I'm only 90 lbs

 

[PinK~cloud]

It sounds anxiety related. Like, youre unfamiliar with the feeling so it freaks you out. Come ups can induce anxiety, especially with stimulants. Concerts can cause more physically harsh symptoms (ie rapid heart beat, jitteriness, etc). However, the severe anxiety could actually be releasing "fight or flight chemicals" which would make the anxiety much worse, and the body load more intense.
If I were you I'd try to just prepare yourself for it mentally. Understand that you will be okay, since you were fine the other times you did it (as long as you stay at the same or lower dose).
Once you become acclimated to the effects you should more or less get over the freak outs.

-PK

Edit: although benzos can really help with the freakouts, they often times just kill the stimulants' effects on me. So it seems counter productive, even though many people are co-prescribed them. See, benzos basically calm the neurotransmitters (I believe), countering the effects of the concerta. It's worth a try tho. Best of luck and be safe.

 

[laCster]

concerta is dirty, anxiety and stimulation is a common side effect

 

[Tryptamino]

I have like .5MG's of both Xanax and Klonopin. <I don't believe in heavy dosing, in even rec. I'm only 90 lbs

Just for future reference, benzos aren't recreational on their own, if you are abusing them in this manner, you shouldn't have them IMO save them for something they're useful for, like anxiety, sleep, seizures, and stimulant comedowns. Abusing them just makes you really tired and stupid for a few hours. And especially don't ever combine them with alcohol. Ok, that's my piece on benzo politics. Lol.

Well anyway, I'd try taking .25 mgs of clonazepam with your MPH, because the form you have, concerta, is an ER medication so it lasts a while, and alprazolam is fairly short-acting, which could be problematic because of rebound anxiety, while clonazepam has a very long duration of action, possibly out-lasting the MPH, thus soothing the crash, killing two birds with one stone. If you are still having anxiety, it should be safe to take the other half of the .5. Don't dose too high though, not only is it dangerous, but it can kill the high. IMO, stimulants and benzos, when properly balanced, are perfect, although I don't have much experience with DRI's like MPH (or cocaine) mixed with benzos, but I did mix them with other depressants such as opiates and alcohol, which I do NOT recommend, however judging by my experiences with those combinations, benzos should mix well with MPH. My only warning is to be very careful, as MPH is really hard on your heart, and mixing it with too high a dose of benzos could end badly, although since you said you don't dose high, you should be perfectly fine.

IMO, however, the anxiety is simply because you weren't entirely familiar with the drug's effects, so the sudden rush of exhilaration startled you, and when it leveled out, you were fine. Try taking it by itself one more time before resorting to benzos, I think you'll find that the anxiety will be diminished, but if not (which is likely, seeing as this is MPH, the dirtiest stimulant there is), follow the instructions I posted in the second paragraph of this post. If you don't have any considerably intense anxiety, save your benzos for the comedown (again, clonazepam is preferable for this), that's when you really need it.

In the future, if you take stimulants, I'd stay away from MPH, it's very dirty and side effect ridden, and the crash is a BITCH once you've abused it a few times. The only Rx stimulants commonly available that are "clean" are dextroamphetamine and it's somewhat non-abusable derivative, vyvanse, which has no comedown from what I've experienced, although the high isn't very impressive, it's main use to me is an all-day pick-me-up.

concerta is dirty, anxiety and stimulation is a common side effect

stimulation isn't a side effect, it's like the main effect of the drug, it's just a stimulant, not a euphoric stimulant by any means, unless you wanna to call the mental "high" that it gives you "euphoria", which I sure as hell wouldn't.

 

[cj]

Just for future reference, benzos aren't recreational on their own, .

Huh? speak for yourself. I feel fucking exzcellent from the xanax I just ate.

 

[ugly]

laCster you are on a roll. #winning.

Concerta is not a great stimulant. If that's all you have, consider skipping it completely.

If you continue to dose with Concerta, you are going to have to take control of your come up. Get situated with incense, music, candles, television, or whatever it is that you do when you are really relaxed. Learn how to chant ohm.

If you find the onset that uncomfortable, rethink your decision to use Concerta. I wouldn't recommend additional pharmaceuticals to help you come up.

Be ready for the onset and handle it. Maintain your mindset and handle your onset. If you can't, please don't use any more Concerta. I believe a difficult come-up is a red flag or a bad omen. just my 3 cents.

 

[Amandalynn913]

Just for future reference, benzos aren't recreational on their own, if you are abusing them in this manner, you shouldn't have them IMO save them for something they're useful for, like anxiety, sleep, seizures, and stimulant comedowns. Abusing them just makes you really tired and stupid for a few hours. And especially don't ever combine them with alcohol. Ok, that's my piece on benzo politics. Lol.

Well anyway, I'd try taking .25 mgs of clonazepam with your MPH, because the form you have, concerta, is an ER medication so it lasts a while, and alprazolam is fairly short-acting, which could be problematic because of rebound anxiety, while clonazepam has a very long duration of action, possibly out-lasting the MPH, thus soothing the crash, killing two birds with one stone. If you are still having anxiety, it should be safe to take the other half of the .5. Don't dose too high though, not only is it dangerous, but it can kill the high. IMO, stimulants and benzos, when properly balanced, are perfect, although I don't have much experience with DRI's like MPH (or cocaine) mixed with benzos, but I did mix them with other depressants such as opiates and alcohol, which I do NOT recommend, however judging by my experiences with those combinations, benzos should mix well with MPH. My only warning is to be very careful, as MPH is really hard on your heart, and mixing it with too high a dose of benzos could end badly, although since you said you don't dose high, you should be perfectly fine.

IMO, however, the anxiety is simply because you weren't entirely familiar with the drug's effects, so the sudden rush of exhilaration startled you, and when it leveled out, you were fine. Try taking it by itself one more time before resorting to benzos, I think you'll find that the anxiety will be diminished, but if not (which is likely, seeing as this is MPH, the dirtiest stimulant there is), follow the instructions I posted in the second paragraph of this post. If you don't have any considerably intense anxiety, save your benzos for the comedown (again, clonazepam is preferable for this), that's when you really need it.

In the future, if you take stimulants, I'd stay away from MPH, it's very dirty and side effect ridden, and the crash is a BITCH once you've abused it a few times. The only Rx stimulants commonly available that are "clean" are dextroamphetamine and it's somewhat non-abusable derivative, vyvanse, which has no comedown from what I've experienced, although the high isn't very impressive, it's main use to me is an all-day pick-me-up.



stimulation isn't a side effect, it's like the main effect of the drug, it's just a stimulant, not a euphoric stimulant by any means, unless you wanna to call the mental "high" that it gives you "euphoria", which I sure as hell wouldn't.

I only have the xanax and klonopin because I have horrible insomnia and ambien and other sleep meds give me nasty nightmares. But I'm pretty sure you're right about my body just not being used to the effects. I took some 2 and a half hours ago, feel perfect... Super awake. Super focused. Thank you for the WELL INFORMED reply though. Very helpful.

 

[Tryptamino]

Huh? speak for yourself. I feel fucking exzcellent from the xanax I just ate.

Well it's a sedative, it relieves anxiety, and a common side effect is loss of equilibrium, so it could be perceived to be similar to alcohol, but I've only heard of benzo-induced euphoria from temazepam users and people who combine benzos with drugs like alcohol, methamphetamine, and opiates, which I know for a fact do induce fairly stronger euphoria than any of those drugs would on their own, however those combos are all dangerous, and combining benzodiazepines with alcohol or opiates has a very high risk of overdose. Benzos will make you feel good, sleepy, and relaxed, but nothing more than that. IMO it's less recreational than caffeine, but is very useful to relieve anxiety, insomnia and other issues. If I'm having an anxiety attack, the relief that benzos will provide could be equated with euphoria, but to someone who is not anxious at all, or at least at the time of dosing, recreational effects are very minimal. Most people who claim that benzos are recreational and hail it as their DOC have chronic anxiety, but perhaps don't realize it.

But, like I said, temazepam definitely produces some level of euphoria, even if it's nothing like opiate euphoria.

Not saying that they aren't a good thing to have, if I still had consistent access to benzos, my life would be a whole lot easier.

They're tools, not toys. Very soft tools. Lol.

I only have the xanax and klonopin because I have horrible insomnia and ambien and other sleep meds give me nasty nightmares. But I'm pretty sure you're right about my body just not being used to the effects. I took some 2 and a half hours ago, feel perfect... Super awake. Super focused. Thank you for the WELL INFORMED reply though. Very helpful.

No prob, glad to help :D

 

[Tony Williams]

Use 0.25mg Xanax. Maybe 0.5mg TOPS

Xanax is bad for this - Diaz is better - lorazapam IME is eviler than both.

In stim freakouts Diaz just helps it but you know that's it. Xanax, I used on the tail end of stims and remember after being panicy doing tiny methylone lines all night I do >400mg I forget till 10am after eating myface apart. I od'ed on dodgy M1 years back a dangerious batch 350mg over a night I spent all day in panic going crazy telling my friends I am writing a will and thinking I was gunna die, 0.5mg Xanax ****************** must of spent all day doing nothing and eat a banana the day after from od memory was impaired and depressed for >5day. Scary part is the Xanax how you feel - you feel from DYING inside and scared to normal and in some cases like taking more stims,

I once had chest pains - no stims so I popped loraz (2mg I think) and out comes 500mg 4mmc/4mec - no idea what I did that for.

Anexity I get from ODing what I am still alive today for benzos stop that!!!

Concerta is awesome BTW. One side effect is sickness or feeling like vomiting, might eat more with it

 

[Tryptamino]

Concerta is awesome

In all seriousness, though, that is probably the first time I've ever heard someone say that. Ever. Especially since you have a lot of experience with stronger stimulants like 4-MEC.

 

[Promethazine]

Yeah I'd save those Xanax for the comedown but whatever.

 

[ugly]

i luv the dude

 

[Tony Williams]

LOL yeah, I rarely use other stims (mdma, meph) and I have them in an abundance. I like concerta/rit and eth as they're mild but nice. Since May I've used Ethylphen near daily past weeek or so it's been back to concerta (in fact past 3) and before may I went through 6g of Concerta so may of been Feb-now ....

Truth be told I am quite un-motivated, my room is abit cleaner than a hardcore crack den (there's blood on the walls I see). and I never actually clean it. but I am always (cleaning it - I make a start on it then don't). Rit seems to help (looks arond neeeds moar). I blame the computer. Facefuck, Gaytube, Druglight, Herowid. I need away of mentally preparing my brain for cleaning.

 

[PinK~cloud]

Off topic but that picture of the dude is now my phone background.
I'd talk to a doc about it if you're prescribed it. There's some "chiller" stims out there