Coming off Invega/Xeplion (paliperidone) injections v 12

[flystr8]

Can’t wait the benefit of this thing is that i’ll be housed. Still blocked nose.. no comfort and being locked up breaks relationships and all that’good stuff

 

[KubiKook]

Thanks for explaining that. So is there a chance for my appetite to return? I notice I've had more shots than most at a total of 9 injections so are my chances of recovery slimmer? Is it possible to go back to how I was pre-Invega? Unfortunately with the sleep I'm not getting much because of this 30th June shot @50mg, my sleep had gone back to normal and so had my appetite but boom, I got my 9th shot and then things reversed within a few day's time. I think my body came to a place where it could no longer take the dopamine blockade and just shut down completely.

I have no appetite or much sense of thirst. Do you have to force yourself to eat? Have you lost a lot of weight? Do you plan on staying on Invega long term or are you tapering off now?

You looked absolutely stunning

Ha-ha. Thanks so much, Lara.

 

[8up]

Maybe try for a few days without the meds and see what happens

I wonder if cold turkey will 'kill' me...

The Chemical Shock change will affect you a lot. Wean off. Read up about it. Ask you Doctor in Hypothetical only, they won’t recommend out. They only answer a hypothetical FOR Legal Reasons!

With it the Sensations that can return with some being blocked still will be a shock. The configuration is not predictable based upon individual Bodies and Nutrition Available per individual. There are Wild Cards. Slow Reduction with mapping the changes incrementally so you know what’s to come. You need to know the Human Biology and Human Behavioural Sciences, otherwise you’ll feel blind. Knowing it will let you determine a sensation is a product of Factors. Without that you will Panic, Anxiety and Fight it Fight Mode (Panic Attack — Run From Predator), will Kick in. Go slowly and you can come if. Discuss it Hypothetically as I suggested. They would give you the theoretical timing. You can look it up also. It can seem quite slow. Do the correct time.

[FYI This Drug Category makes Johnson & Johnson ~ $4.22BILLION a year, Further Maths says $11.2BILLION].

 

[Brendan Clark]

I have no appetite or much sense of thirst. Do you have to force yourself to eat? Have you lost a lot of weight? Do you plan on staying on Invega long term or are you tapering off now?

Ha-ha. Thanks so much, Lara.

Yeah basically I'm eating to live just now. I've not lost weight yet cause this is a new development of this past week after my last dose. If it were up to me I would never take even one shot but yeah on this CTO the doctor is tapering me off with one more shot left, but I'm going to ask to stop taking all drugs completely or go to aripiprazole. I just hope I'm not permanently damaged.

 

[Brendan Clark]

The Chemical Shock change will affect you a lot. Wean off. Read up about it. Ask you Doctor in Hypothetical only, they won’t recommend out. They only answer a hypothetical FOR Legal Reasons!

With it the Sensations that can return with some being blocked still will be a shock. The configuration is not predictable based upon individual Bodies and Nutrition Available per individual. There are Wild Cards. Slow Reduction with mapping the changes incrementally so you know what’s to come. You need to know the Human Biology and Human Behavioural Sciences, otherwise you’ll feel blind. Knowing it will let you determine a sensation is a product of Factors. Without that you will Panic, Anxiety and Fight it Fight Mode (Panic Attack — Run From Predator), will Kick in. Go slowly and you can come if. Discuss it Hypothetically as I suggested. They would give you the theoretical timing. You can look it up also. It can seem quite slow. Do the correct time.

[FYI This Drug Category makes Johnson & Johnson ~ $4.22BILLION a year].

That's another thing that invega took from me, that "fight or flight" instinct. It's like I don't have any adrenaline, or very reduced. I don't get surprised at things anymore and that sensation of awe when something cool happens is gone too. Trying to stay hopeful that all will return eventually, but it's hard.

 

[Brendan Clark]

The Chemical Shock change will affect you a lot. Wean off. Read up about it. Ask you Doctor in Hypothetical only, they won’t recommend out. They only answer a hypothetical FOR Legal Reasons!

With it the Sensations that can return with some being blocked still will be a shock. The configuration is not predictable based upon individual Bodies and Nutrition Available per individual. There are Wild Cards. Slow Reduction with mapping the changes incrementally so you know what’s to come. You need to know the Human Biology and Human Behavioural Sciences, otherwise you’ll feel blind. Knowing it will let you determine a sensation is a product of Factors. Without that you will Panic, Anxiety and Fight it Fight Mode (Panic Attack — Run From Predator), will Kick in. Go slowly and you can come if. Discuss it Hypothetically as I suggested. They would give you the theoretical timing. You can look it up also. It can seem quite slow. Do the correct time.

[FYI This Drug Category makes Johnson & Johnson ~ $4.22BILLION a year, Further Maths says $11.2BILLION].

Yeah invega is a money making machine. What I wonder is whether its sale and use is going up or down at the moment....?

 

[KubiKook]

You said something I often think myself: “Maybe these medications are preventing the brain from healing after Invega.” This is not a crazy theory — it’s a logical question. Seroquel and Kaplita continue to affect dopamine receptors. Perhaps the true re-adaptation will only begin after they are discontinued. But I also understand your horror at the thought of insomnia returning. It’s not just fear — it’s your body’s memory of torture. You have already shown incredible willpower by reducing Seroquel from 300 mg to 100 mg on your own. This proves that you are capable of influencing the situation. Perhaps the next step could be discussing with your doctor a very slow, microscopic reduction — not for immediate discontinuation, but to check where your true sleep threshold is now, some time after Invega. But only if you are ready. You have already fought for so long that you have every right to take a pause. To simply exist in stability, even if it is medicated, without new battles. I don’t know if insomnia will return. But I do know that you have survived something that would have destroyed many others

My doctor minimizes the toxicity of these meds & the difficulty getting off of them... I'll see what she says next session, but it surely seems like I'm going to have to take matters into my own hands. Yeah, it's so hard, I don't even know if getting off the meds will ameliorate my long-standing ills... However, I DO know I'd be less mentally tormented... I surely don't like & don't need these meds for mental health purposes. Ugh. Damn drug pushers. Anyway, a pause is not what I need... I'm in 'limbo' agony. Some type of change is definitely what I need. The only one that seems to be available to me is the meds one. Hmm. Well, I appreciate the feedback, kudos, suggestions, etc. You always have such thoughtfully well-expressed posts & replies, Lara. Thank you.

 

[KubiKook]

You looked absolutely stunning

By the way, anything new (good) with you?

 

[KubiKook]

Yeah basically I'm eating to live just now. I've not lost weight yet cause this is a new development of this past week after my last dose. If it were up to me I would never take even one shot but yeah on this CTO the doctor is tapering me off with one more shot left, but I'm going to ask to stop taking all drugs completely or go to aripiprazole. I just hope I'm not permanently damaged.

Yeah, that's all I've been doing for almost 18 months. Maybe your appetite will come back soon. Good to hear you only got one shot left. Hopefully, you can recover quickly from it. I'm surely not the testimony to track. I definitely wish I'd known to taper down from that Invega Beast. Well, everybody is different as you know, so I guess on all accounts, we shall see. And 'hope' for the best...

 

[Brendan Clark]

Yeah, that's all I've been doing for almost 18 months. Maybe your appetite will come back soon. Good to hear you only got one shot left. Hopefully, you can recover quickly from it. I'm surely not the testimony to track. I definitely wish I'd known to taper down from that Invega Beast. Well, everybody is different as you know, so I guess on all accounts, we shall see. And 'hope' for the best...

All we can do is wait. Right now I'm in a really bad place because I'm not able to distract myself with anything but this drug. I wasn't like this just two weeks ago or even a week ago. It's worse than torture. And what's sadder is thinking about how this time last year life was going well and I was happy & independent. I could never have imagined the things that have happened this past year. If I do recover from this and go back to my old self I'll appreciate my life so much and never complain again.