Coming off Invega/Xeplion (paliperidone) injections v 12

[Brendan Clark]

Damn y'all, it's getting tougher & tougher to get through the day, nothing to do (I know it's my choice, but I just can't connect into any meaningful hobbies or activities, I'm in a perpetual thick fog of memories & misery, nothing at all to look forward to, time after time of nothing but severe suffering, desperately wanting to get better, desperately wanting to get off these 'sleep' meds... How can my brain heal from the first med when I'm being 'doubly' drugged with these meds?! I think I'm ready to rid myself of these two poisons, come what may, insomnia, etc. Any thoughts?

Maybe try for a few days without the meds and see what happens

 

[Brendan Clark]

The Body is Built on Fields and Fundamentals of Physics of Cosmos. In Engineering, it can always be Modulated to be what you expect but not outside of the Physics.

That means, likely it can be repaired or a built in Evolutionary Embedded Natural Fix will attempt to fix it and will simply need you to provide it with the correct Vitamins, Minerals, Salts, Sugars and Hydration also Elements, Iron for example. Mapping out what the Body is attempting is the Key.

Things like Cravings are an Indicator. I know it sounds odd but the Bathroom Smell @ number 2 actually programs you for Diet for a few days, you know what you require. Always Drink Plenty of Water, but not Excessive, don’t over work your Kidneys or Bladder, you need those to last. Be aware of any Aches and Pains, remember the locations of Headaches. Drink plenty of Water, have enough Salt, have enough Sugar, those three are Essential for Repair. Sleep as much as possible, you get 50% of that back in lifetime added on at the end anyway. Promote Repair. Catalog your Sensations of what I have written and anything else of note. Please avoid Highs, nothing will replace the Dopamine System. Naturally you have a healthy amount, Dopamine, Serotonin and Endorphins. Highs simply make you think that natural amount is too little as you train yourself up for excessive amounts and the Brain Protects itself thinking you are in a hazy area of Plants and you can’t get away from it. Look up the Hot Hand Rule.

Things like Weed, Cave persons ate once, a bit, then it made them feel ill, then they know the smell is to be avoided, programming for Toxins in an area, that’s what that is for. Remember back then in that state you could be eaten, they would avoid it.

Thanks for explaining that. So is there a chance for my appetite to return? I notice I've had more shots than most at a total of 9 injections so are my chances of recovery slimmer? Is it possible to go back to how I was pre-Invega? Unfortunately with the sleep I'm not getting much because of this 30th June shot @50mg, my sleep had gone back to normal and so had my appetite but boom, I got my 9th shot and then things reversed within a few day's time. I think my body came to a place where it could no longer take the dopamine blockade and just shut down completely.

 

[KubiKook]

Maybe try for a few days without the meds and see what happens

I wonder if cold turkey will 'kill' me...

 

[InnerReturn]

Oh, yeah, it's a bit of a conundrum. When my withdrawal symptoms hit, I had complete insomnia, couldn't sleep a wink. I tried natural remedies first, melatonin, and other supplements & herbs, didn't work, then I tried Ambien & Sonata that my mom had, didn't work, then I had to seek out a psychiatrist & was prescribed Xanax & Klonipin, didn't work, then finally after exhausting all these options, the doctor prescribed Seroquel, starting at 25mgs & ending with 300, which only gave me 2 or 3 hours of sleep for months, then desperately, I was wiped out, she added Caplyta,
first 21 & then 42 mgs, which gave me 6 or 7 hours... On my own, I went back down to 100mgs of Seroquel because the higher doses didn't give me any more sleep, and that's where I'm at now.

The fear is that going off this combo, will send me back to no sleep. I'd rather be on just the Caplyta, it's a little more benign, I think, but it isn't generally prescribed for sleep. I may still try tapering off the Seroquel, but I'm surely hesitant; I can't bear going back to little or no sleep. I don't know what to do. I definitely want to be off both of these poisons. Maybe they're preventing my brain from being able to heal from the Invega withdrawal. Maybe not. Either way, I was so opposed to all psych meds for so long, after having been on Prozac & Klonipin for depression & anxiety for almost 16 years during my 20's & 30's. I had finally gotten to a place of only consuming organic healthy stuff. I guess I needed something more powerful, because I ended up with
a full-blown mania with some kind of separation from reality in 2019 & 2025. Both episodes were fairly short but caused me enough problems to land in the hospital...

The first stay I was still manic but back to reality, I put in a 72-hour notice & was released in three days. The second stay was the same, full compliance with the program, absolutely no danger to myself or others, on the contrary, I actually utilized my degrees & good people skills to help other patients, befriended staff too, but my 72-hour notice wasn't honored. I was taken to court on day 11, which by that time I was totally fine, articulated my case quite well, yet for some reason, probably liability purposes, the judge chose to mandate meds, and consequently, my soon-to-be nightmare was born ~ Invega Sustenna was prescribed. They gave me 3 days of pills, on day 4 injection 1, and day 7 (my 18th & last day on the unit) injection 2.

I'm not sure, but I don't think two injections 3 days apart is typical, maybe too much. Either way, I was free, went to pick up my cat at my mom's house, and then happily headed home. I was okay for a month or maybe a little bit more, and then I started getting crushed by all these horrible symptoms... My mom & dad were taking shifts for 4 months, spending the entire day with me, preparing meals, cleaning up, yada-yada; we just sat there day after day. I spent the nights alone. I was highly suicidal, and my family had an intervention, and sent me to Alternative to Meds Center in Arizona, where I spent a nightmarish two months. Nothing helped there. I flew back & stayed at my mom's house. Eventually tried TMS. Didn't help. Then, I crazily agreed to ECT, did it for 3 months or so. All it did was negatively affect my memory. Nothing else. And here we are, a couple of months later, with no sense of help or hope in sight... Good night, Lara. (??????????)

You said something I often think myself: “Maybe these medications are preventing the brain from healing after Invega.” This is not a crazy theory — it’s a logical question. Seroquel and Kaplita continue to affect dopamine receptors. Perhaps the true re-adaptation will only begin after they are discontinued. But I also understand your horror at the thought of insomnia returning. It’s not just fear — it’s your body’s memory of torture. You have already shown incredible willpower by reducing Seroquel from 300 mg to 100 mg on your own. This proves that you are capable of influencing the situation. Perhaps the next step could be discussing with your doctor a very slow, microscopic reduction — not for immediate discontinuation, but to check where your true sleep threshold is now, some time after Invega. But only if you are ready. You have already fought for so long that you have every right to take a pause. To simply exist in stability, even if it is medicated, without new battles. I don’t know if insomnia will return. But I do know that you have survived something that would have destroyed many others

 

[InnerReturn]

Hey, just for something a little more lighthearted... This was me at my peak when I was a bodybuilder & boxer.

You looked absolutely stunning

 

[flystr8]

That's crazy that Invega is causing y'all insomnia. Is that a typical symptom? I got insane insomnia from the Invega withdrawal. Damn, I used to sleep 8-9 hours straight, like clockwork. Monsters.

bro make a vow to universe you’ll never be back in a ward - and never tell friends what happened inside or where you’ve been -

for me i’m stressed cause it’s early days and still under section

 

[flystr8]

I am currently healing with other practices but it’s crazy they put a injection in my but ( i always look good but whenever on this drug it stops my smile makes me a monster like them, i can’t believe doctors administrated it

can’t talk about past no more just current symptoms i can’t even sleep or think like i normally would … monsters…

100mg how long anyone know it’s in system for and how to bypass it?? any hacks??

 

[flystr8]

Can’t wait the benefit of this thing is that i’ll be housed. Still blocked nose.. no comfort and being locked up breaks relationships and all that’good stuff

 

[KubiKook]

Thanks for explaining that. So is there a chance for my appetite to return? I notice I've had more shots than most at a total of 9 injections so are my chances of recovery slimmer? Is it possible to go back to how I was pre-Invega? Unfortunately with the sleep I'm not getting much because of this 30th June shot @50mg, my sleep had gone back to normal and so had my appetite but boom, I got my 9th shot and then things reversed within a few day's time. I think my body came to a place where it could no longer take the dopamine blockade and just shut down completely.

I have no appetite or much sense of thirst. Do you have to force yourself to eat? Have you lost a lot of weight? Do you plan on staying on Invega long term or are you tapering off now?

You looked absolutely stunning

Ha-ha. Thanks so much, Lara.

 

[8up]

Maybe try for a few days without the meds and see what happens

I wonder if cold turkey will 'kill' me...

The Chemical Shock change will affect you a lot. Wean off. Read up about it. Ask you Doctor in Hypothetical only, they won’t recommend out. They only answer a hypothetical FOR Legal Reasons!

With it the Sensations that can return with some being blocked still will be a shock. The configuration is not predictable based upon individual Bodies and Nutrition Available per individual. There are Wild Cards. Slow Reduction with mapping the changes incrementally so you know what’s to come. You need to know the Human Biology and Human Behavioural Sciences, otherwise you’ll feel blind. Knowing it will let you determine a sensation is a product of Factors. Without that you will Panic, Anxiety and Fight it Fight Mode (Panic Attack — Run From Predator), will Kick in. Go slowly and you can come if. Discuss it Hypothetically as I suggested. They would give you the theoretical timing. You can look it up also. It can seem quite slow. Do the correct time.

[FYI This Drug Category makes Johnson & Johnson ~ $4.22BILLION a year, Further Maths says $11.2BILLION].

 

[Brendan Clark]

I have no appetite or much sense of thirst. Do you have to force yourself to eat? Have you lost a lot of weight? Do you plan on staying on Invega long term or are you tapering off now?

Ha-ha. Thanks so much, Lara.

Yeah basically I'm eating to live just now. I've not lost weight yet cause this is a new development of this past week after my last dose. If it were up to me I would never take even one shot but yeah on this CTO the doctor is tapering me off with one more shot left, but I'm going to ask to stop taking all drugs completely or go to aripiprazole. I just hope I'm not permanently damaged.

 

[Brendan Clark]

The Chemical Shock change will affect you a lot. Wean off. Read up about it. Ask you Doctor in Hypothetical only, they won’t recommend out. They only answer a hypothetical FOR Legal Reasons!

With it the Sensations that can return with some being blocked still will be a shock. The configuration is not predictable based upon individual Bodies and Nutrition Available per individual. There are Wild Cards. Slow Reduction with mapping the changes incrementally so you know what’s to come. You need to know the Human Biology and Human Behavioural Sciences, otherwise you’ll feel blind. Knowing it will let you determine a sensation is a product of Factors. Without that you will Panic, Anxiety and Fight it Fight Mode (Panic Attack — Run From Predator), will Kick in. Go slowly and you can come if. Discuss it Hypothetically as I suggested. They would give you the theoretical timing. You can look it up also. It can seem quite slow. Do the correct time.

[FYI This Drug Category makes Johnson & Johnson ~ $4.22BILLION a year].

That's another thing that invega took from me, that "fight or flight" instinct. It's like I don't have any adrenaline, or very reduced. I don't get surprised at things anymore and that sensation of awe when something cool happens is gone too. Trying to stay hopeful that all will return eventually, but it's hard.

 

[Brendan Clark]

The Chemical Shock change will affect you a lot. Wean off. Read up about it. Ask you Doctor in Hypothetical only, they won’t recommend out. They only answer a hypothetical FOR Legal Reasons!

With it the Sensations that can return with some being blocked still will be a shock. The configuration is not predictable based upon individual Bodies and Nutrition Available per individual. There are Wild Cards. Slow Reduction with mapping the changes incrementally so you know what’s to come. You need to know the Human Biology and Human Behavioural Sciences, otherwise you’ll feel blind. Knowing it will let you determine a sensation is a product of Factors. Without that you will Panic, Anxiety and Fight it Fight Mode (Panic Attack — Run From Predator), will Kick in. Go slowly and you can come if. Discuss it Hypothetically as I suggested. They would give you the theoretical timing. You can look it up also. It can seem quite slow. Do the correct time.

[FYI This Drug Category makes Johnson & Johnson ~ $4.22BILLION a year, Further Maths says $11.2BILLION].

Yeah invega is a money making machine. What I wonder is whether its sale and use is going up or down at the moment....?

 

[KubiKook]

You said something I often think myself: “Maybe these medications are preventing the brain from healing after Invega.” This is not a crazy theory — it’s a logical question. Seroquel and Kaplita continue to affect dopamine receptors. Perhaps the true re-adaptation will only begin after they are discontinued. But I also understand your horror at the thought of insomnia returning. It’s not just fear — it’s your body’s memory of torture. You have already shown incredible willpower by reducing Seroquel from 300 mg to 100 mg on your own. This proves that you are capable of influencing the situation. Perhaps the next step could be discussing with your doctor a very slow, microscopic reduction — not for immediate discontinuation, but to check where your true sleep threshold is now, some time after Invega. But only if you are ready. You have already fought for so long that you have every right to take a pause. To simply exist in stability, even if it is medicated, without new battles. I don’t know if insomnia will return. But I do know that you have survived something that would have destroyed many others

My doctor minimizes the toxicity of these meds & the difficulty getting off of them... I'll see what she says next session, but it surely seems like I'm going to have to take matters into my own hands. Yeah, it's so hard, I don't even know if getting off the meds will ameliorate my long-standing ills... However, I DO know I'd be less mentally tormented... I surely don't like & don't need these meds for mental health purposes. Ugh. Damn drug pushers. Anyway, a pause is not what I need... I'm in 'limbo' agony. Some type of change is definitely what I need. The only one that seems to be available to me is the meds one. Hmm. Well, I appreciate the feedback, kudos, suggestions, etc. You always have such thoughtfully well-expressed posts & replies, Lara. Thank you.

 

[KubiKook]

You looked absolutely stunning

By the way, anything new (good) with you?

 

[KubiKook]

Yeah basically I'm eating to live just now. I've not lost weight yet cause this is a new development of this past week after my last dose. If it were up to me I would never take even one shot but yeah on this CTO the doctor is tapering me off with one more shot left, but I'm going to ask to stop taking all drugs completely or go to aripiprazole. I just hope I'm not permanently damaged.

Yeah, that's all I've been doing for almost 18 months. Maybe your appetite will come back soon. Good to hear you only got one shot left. Hopefully, you can recover quickly from it. I'm surely not the testimony to track. I definitely wish I'd known to taper down from that Invega Beast. Well, everybody is different as you know, so I guess on all accounts, we shall see. And 'hope' for the best...

 

[Brendan Clark]

Yeah, that's all I've been doing for almost 18 months. Maybe your appetite will come back soon. Good to hear you only got one shot left. Hopefully, you can recover quickly from it. I'm surely not the testimony to track. I definitely wish I'd known to taper down from that Invega Beast. Well, everybody is different as you know, so I guess on all accounts, we shall see. And 'hope' for the best...

All we can do is wait. Right now I'm in a really bad place because I'm not able to distract myself with anything but this drug. I wasn't like this just two weeks ago or even a week ago. It's worse than torture. And what's sadder is thinking about how this time last year life was going well and I was happy & independent. I could never have imagined the things that have happened this past year. If I do recover from this and go back to my old self I'll appreciate my life so much and never complain again.

 

[KubiKook]

All we can do is wait. Right now I'm in a really bad place because I'm not able to distract myself with anything but this drug. I wasn't like this just two weeks ago or even a week ago. It's worse than torture. And what's sadder is thinking about how this time last year life was going well and I was happy & independent. I could never have imagined the things that have happened this past year. If I do recover from this and go back to my old self I'll appreciate my life so much and never complain again.

Yeah, I'm surely with ya, BC, torture doesn't even begin to explain the depths of this hell... No distractions at all. I've used the word 'unimaginable' many times. I'm also so saddened by the memories of my life before Invega, same as you, I was happy & independent, enjoying my home with my cat, entertaining family & friends weekly, good food & drink, reading & writing, playing guitar, enjoying sun & a smoke on my deck, all the songbirds & other wildlife moving about, eating my seeds & nuts, drinking from the birdbath, butterflies flittering about, making their way upon the blooms... Oh man, bro, such devastating loss, I know. Impossible to believe it has led me here... Well, I truly hope you can make it back to your 'magical' place again. As for me, 'hope' has become entirely elusive... I don't even know that feeling anymore. Maybe somehow it will rise in me again.

 

[Brendan Clark]

Yeah, I'm surely with ya, BC, torture doesn't even begin to explain the depths of this hell... No distractions at all. I've used the word 'unimaginable' many times. I'm also so saddened by the memories of my life before Invega, same as you, I was happy & independent, enjoying my home with my cat, entertaining family & friends weekly, good food & drink, reading & writing, playing guitar, enjoying sun & a smoke on my deck, all the songbirds & other wildlife moving about, eating my seeds & nuts, drinking from the birdbath, butterflies flittering about, making their way upon the blooms... Oh man, bro, such devastating loss, I know. Well, I truly hope you can make it back to your 'magical' place again. As for me, 'hope' has become entirely elusive... I don't even know that feeling anymore. Maybe somehow it will rise again...

Yeah Dan it sounds like you were making the most out of life before this. It's clear you had an appreciation for nature. I hope you can go back to doing that one day or something else that brings you satisfaction and a sense of fulfillment. Do you find it also discouraging when you see the world going on as normal and people living their lives just as usual (not that they're having it all perfect but they have moments of happiness, which is the way it's supposed to be) and here we are wishing we even had a fraction of what they have, just even one miniscule bit of joy would make our day? What's also depressing is not being able to convey properly to people what you're going through, and people thinking you're exaggerating etc. That's what's going on with my psychologist in this mental health hospital/programme which is forcing me to take the drug. She tells me to try different activities and I say the drug is affecting me, and then she says I shouldn't ruminate over it, but she doesn't understand the pains afflicted by this drug.

 

[KubiKook]

The Chemical Shock change will affect you a lot. Wean off. Read up about it. Ask you Doctor in Hypothetical only, they won’t recommend out. They only answer a hypothetical FOR Legal Reasons!

With it the Sensations that can return with some being blocked still will be a shock. The configuration is not predictable based upon individual Bodies and Nutrition Available per individual. There are Wild Cards. Slow Reduction with mapping the changes incrementally so you know what’s to come. You need to know the Human Biology and Human Behavioural Sciences, otherwise you’ll feel blind. Knowing it will let you determine a sensation is a product of Factors. Without that you will Panic, Anxiety and Fight it Fight Mode (Panic Attack — Run From Predator), will Kick in. Go slowly and you can come if. Discuss it Hypothetically as I suggested. They would give you the theoretical timing. You can look it up also. It can seem quite slow. Do the correct time.

[FYI This Drug Category makes Johnson & Johnson ~ $4.22BILLION a year, Further Maths says $11.2BILLION].

Yeah, all the monsters of Big Pharma profiting so mightily on such misery. Tragic!