Mental Health Coming off Invega (Paliperidone, Xeplion) injections v 6.0

[loosewheelnut]

How long are you off? when did it recover 100% for you?

It took me around 6-8 months to get it back

 

[UnluckyXeplion]

It took me around 6-8 months to get it back

How many injections did you get?

 

[loosewheelnut]

How many injections did you get?

two shots of paliperidone. The only reason why I'm back is because I had another pysch episode and was put on clopixol depot, which they have subsequently stopped as well. I'm just happy the half life of clopixol is 19 days not 49.

 

[UnluckyXeplion]

two shots of paliperidone. The only reason why I'm back is because I had another pysch episode and was put on clopixol depot, which they have subsequently stopped as well. I'm just happy the half life of clopixol is 19 days not 49.

So for me it will probably take longer to regain my sexual function, I received 7-8 shots of Xeplion. Godamn.
Btw, I don't believe in the half life theory.

 

[loosewheelnut]

So for me it will probably take longer to regain my sexual function, I received 7-8 shots of Xeplion. Godamn.

I think it will still take max a year for you to feel better. It's more about the half lives then how much you took. In my experience if someone hasn't recovered it's probably because they're on another AP that is also giving them bad side effects.

 

[UnluckyXeplion]

I think it will still take max a year for you to feel better. It's more about the half lives then how much you took. In my experience if someone hasn't recovered it's probably because they're on another AP that is also giving them bad side effects.

I'm currently on no meds at all.
Last med was a Xeplion shot 6 months ago.

 

[kiely]

Do not provoke with comments like this please.


Not even TWENTY FOUR HOURS after I made my post about limiting masturbation discussion and you guys are already back at it again.

Please have respect for others in this thread who do not appreciate reading about your masturbation activities.

Would you guys like me to start a separate thread devoted to Invega and libido? Would that help? We are very understanding that it is a huge and very disruptive side effect of Invega and it is clear that you need to discuss it. However we must keep this particular thread a safe and inclusive space for everyone. I am serious about starting the Invega and sexual side effects thread, it has been on my mind the last week or so, because I want you guys to be able to discuss it, but just not in here.


I would also like to address the discussion in this thread of the use of illicit drugs. It is inappropriate to discuss using psychoactive substances including but not limited to stimulants, marijuana, deliriants and hallucinogenics. These substances ARE known to cause psychosis in some individuals and therefore it is potentially dangerous to openly discuss using these substances recreationally, or for self-medication purposes. We have an entire forum with subforums dedicated to discussing the use of these drugs. This thread is not the place for it. Therefore please refrain from discussing previous or current recreational drug use, condoning illicit drug use, or asking for advice on when you think it would be "safe" for you to begin using illicit substances again. Such posts will be edited or deleted by the mods or senior mods, and excessive posting on the subject may incur official warnings. Again, I encourage you to branch out to our other subforums if you wish to discuss using any illicit substances, just not in this particular thread please.

Thank you.

Thank you, Ma'm. Finally ! Somebody that makes absolute clarity. God bless for goodness sake. Well I mean thanks !

Thank you for the helpful information. How . . . does this not make so much sense.

Thank you again for being a resource for content and guidelines towards helpful support and options in this website with the blua and consent.
Also for helping us to be able to have specific subjects and topics.

And hopefully we all can be able to find other sub forums with choices for posting appropriately and accurately in them now.

Anyway. Easy peasy lemony squeezy ! Or I would hope so at least.

 

[Merek]

So for me it will probably take longer to regain my sexual function, I received 7-8 shots of Xeplion. Godamn.
Btw, I don't believe in the half life theory.

I think the half life theory is true I get blood tests for paliparadone every 6 weeks and every 45 days the levels in my system cut down my half, rn I’d estimate i have 1.9ng ml of paliparadone in my blood rn.

 

[Serhat]

2 more weeks and it will be a month off. I hope to see some improvement then

 

[UnluckyXeplion]

I think the half life theory is true I get blood tests for paliparadone every 6 weeks and every 45 days the levels in my system cut down my half, rn I’d estimate i have 1.9ng ml of paliparadone in my blood rn.

I need to take that Paliperidone Test myself.
It's been 6 months, I'm curious if there's any residue left.
How do I order that test? Do I need to go to my doctor for it?

 

[paranoid android]

Yeah I definitely do, do you get those from lingering effects of invega?

i dunno if it's leftover from the invega or abilify but i am still getting adhd like symptoms. It's the only symptom i still have actually

 

[HelpMeInvega]

For any of you on a weight loss journey and have been following the weight loss aspect of things…I’m down to 113lbs! Starting antipsychotics I was really underweight like 100lbs working out like crazy and taking adderall and a ton of fat burners and pre workout and everything but a healthy weight for me has always been between 108lbs and 113lbs so I’ve finally reached it! All well being on latuda! Still find it hard to workout the way I used to and really push like I used to and get a good sweat going. I find I become more fatigued and I’m weaker now than before. But hey a wins and win! Hopefully I can keep the streak going! Healthy diet and working out about an hour of cardio and machines a day and some days a long walk in the evenings.

 

[prinzfrost]

Do not provoke with comments like this please.


Not even TWENTY FOUR HOURS after I made my post about limiting masturbation discussion and you guys are already back at it again.

Please have respect for others in this thread who do not appreciate reading about your masturbation activities.

Would you guys like me to start a separate thread devoted to Invega and libido? Would that help? We are very understanding that it is a huge and very disruptive side effect of Invega and it is clear that you need to discuss it. However we must keep this particular thread a safe and inclusive space for everyone. I am serious about starting the Invega and sexual side effects thread, it has been on my mind the last week or so, because I want you guys to be able to discuss it, but just not in here.


I would also like to address the discussion in this thread of the use of illicit drugs. It is inappropriate to discuss using psychoactive substances including but not limited to stimulants, marijuana, deliriants and hallucinogenics. These substances ARE known to cause psychosis in some individuals and therefore it is potentially dangerous to openly discuss using these substances recreationally, or for self-medication purposes. We have an entire forum with subforums dedicated to discussing the use of these drugs. This thread is not the place for it. Therefore please refrain from discussing previous or current recreational drug use, condoning illicit drug use, or asking for advice on when you think it would be "safe" for you to begin using illicit substances again. Such posts will be edited or deleted by the mods or senior mods, and excessive posting on the subject may incur official warnings. Again, I encourage you to branch out to our other subforums if you wish to discuss using any illicit substances, just not in this particular thread please.

Thank you.

I'm not sure why my most recent post was deleted, but basically, I wanted to say:

1. Another thread devoted to Invega/paliperidone and libido is not recommended.
Erectile dysfunction, loss of size and suppleness, sexual anhedonia, low/no libido, orgasm problems (poor, abnormal, pleasureless, etc.) and even problems with romantic stimuli, enjoyment and activity, are all problems that should be discussed in the main paliperidone/Invega threads, for a few reasons:

Most everyone reports both depression and sexual dysfunction together.

It is also hard to divorce the complete lack of pleasure in sexual matters from the complete lack of pleasure in all other matters, and they can be scientifically surmised to come from the same cause and operate by the same mechanism.

The cause being: the dopamine antagonism which is one of the main mechanisms of antipsychotics, like paliperidone/Invega, and the main mechanism behind antipsychotic effects as well as, by scientific consensus, depression and sexual dysfunction inducing side effects/
Additionally, dopamine inhibition is thought to be the main mechanism by which general anhedonia (depression), musical anhedonia (depression), loss of coffee effects (depression/dopamine system), Neuroleptic Induced Deficit Syndrome (literature on NIDS suspects dopamine inhibition is responsible), and sexual anhedonia/low libido (dopamine inhibition) all occur.

These symptoms which are hallmarks of people who suffer from paliperidone/Invega induced depression and sexual dysfunction, may also occur (with the exception of NIDS, which is by definition medication caused) from non-medication etiologies, while still being explained by dopamine mechanisms.

The point is, the depression and sexual dysfunction are so intertwined for most of us, and it would be hard to discuss one without the other, and discuss recovery in general without discussing them both.

Now, perhaps the concern is with obscenity. Perhaps posters discussing sexual health could talk in sterile and medical general terms. But, nonetheless, I believe the ostensible purpose of these threads, the suffering involved, and the scientific and medical purpose of discussion, should override any concerns about obscenity.

2. "Illicit drugs" discussion should be allowed on these threads, and not relegated to other threads, as a medical therapy for paliperidone/Invega caused depression and sexual dysfunction, for various reasons:
As for the suggestion that these threads are not for discussing drugs, and other threads devoted to "illicit drugs" should be where they are discussed, I said that I disagree, if only for the exception of discussing "illicit drugs" in these paliperidone/Invega threads in the exclusive context of medical therapy for paliperidone/Invega induced depression and sexual dysfunction (as opposed to casual recreational use).

Discussing "illicit drug" use as medical therapy for paliperidone/Invega induced depression and sexual dysfunction would make no sense in the "illicit drug" threads, because of the lack of proper context. We would have to explain to people who are likely unfamiliar with the unique phenomenon of depression and sexual dysfunction caused by antipsychotics, why our depression and sexual dysfunction that is medication caused is so different from regular depression and sexual dysfunction, why no treatments have worked, why there is no cure and treatment, how this came about in the first place, etc. It would make more sense to discuss these matters in paliperidone/Invega recovery threads, since the matter of medical therapy for our medication-induced depression and sexual dysfunction obviously directly relates to the question of recovery.

I understand that some people taking antipsychotics are sensitive to "illicit drugs" exacerbating mental health problems. I understand that some of these same people may also have dependence/abuse and other issues with "illicit drugs." However, like I've said before, many individuals in these threads are not sensitive to "illicit drugs" causing mental health problems, nor do they have dependence/abuse problems, etc.

Additionally, I spoke at length in my longer post about how many of these "illicit drugs" are becoming increasingly legal, and their therapeutic and medical benefit, even for depression, is becoming acknowledged by hard science. Thus, while certain psychiatrists would tell us they are contraindicated for people with psychosis (keep in mind, not everyone suffering from paliperidone/Invega induced depression and sexual dysfunction has had psychosis--some of us, like myself, were flagrantly misdiagnosed and have never had psychotic problems ever, and have no mental health issues, besides the depression and sexual dysfunction caused by medication), others would also argue that they are not and, are in fact, beneficial specifically for the depression we are suffering from.

I also argued that the potential medical benefit and relief that could be provided for this depression, given the magnitude of suffering it has entailed (increased suicidality, isolation, hopelessness, unbearable pain, incurability, untreatability, severity, life-destroying, incapacitating, long-term, sometimes permanent), far outweighs any risks, like psychosis, abuse and dependence, which I already said, are risks that are greater for some of us and practically nonexistent for others.

We can be sensitive and offer disclaimers to such discussion while primarily intending it for people who are not at risk of psychosis or substance abuse/dependence and would be good candidates for increasingly legal and scientifically acknowledged "illicit drugs" used as medical therapy for otherwise incurable, untreatable and terrible paliperidone/Invega induced depression and sexual dysfunction.

Additionally, although the Dark Side section where these paliperidone/Invega threads happen to be, do proscribe discussion of "illicit drugs" and are, essentially, "drug-free" and "sober-living" in philosophy and subject matter, that is not the ostensible theme of the paliperidone/Invega threads. For whatever reason, paliperidone/Invega threads happen to be in the Dark Side section and probably should be in another section, since not everyone in these threads has substance abuse/dependence issues nor sensitivity issues to "illicit drugs" in relation to mental health problems (that includes me).

Additionally, there are some things which would be difficult to discuss in the other threads devoted to "illicit drugs." The phenomenon a lot of us suffer from, which is a complete loss of sensitivity to coffee, alcohol and some of these "illicit drugs," is completely unheard of in all of science. Googling and researching this phenomenon generates zero results. No doctors have ever heard of this. It has long been thought to be scientifically impossible. Therefore, if posters who suffer this unique problem from paliperidone/Invega side effects (it may be a primary effect, since the primary mechanism of dopamine inhibition is likely the direct culprit) bring up this problem in "illicit drug" threads, posters there will be mystified. They have probably never encountered such cases and they would not have the context necessary to discuss the matter. Therefore, the discussion of the loss of sensitivity is best reserved for these paliperidone/Invega threads, and is a worthy topic, from the point of view of public welfare, medicine and science.

Thanks! I hope my post doesn't get deleted. I don't see why it's inappropriate in any way. Send me a personal profile message if you feel my post is inappropriate and what I can do to discuss the matter more appropriately.

 

[Merek]

I need to take that Paliperidone Test myself.
It's been 6 months, I'm curious if there's any residue left.
How do I order that test? Do I need to go to my doctor for it?

Yeah you gotta go to the doctor and ask them to order it for you.

 

[Merek]

i dunno if it's leftover from the invega or abilify but i am still getting adhd like symptoms. It's the only symptom i still have actually

It might be from all the drugs youre taking but yeah if I get adhd symptoms from invega permanently I could live with it but I doubt that will happen.

 

[Merek]

I'm not sure why my most recent post was deleted, but basically, I wanted to say:

1. Another thread devoted to Invega/paliperidone and libido is not recommended.
Erectile dysfunction, loss of size and suppleness, sexual anhedonia, low/no libido, orgasm problems (poor, abnormal, pleasureless, etc.) and even problems with romantic stimuli, enjoyment and activity, are all problems that should be discussed in the main paliperidone/Invega threads, for a few reasons:

Most everyone reports both depression and sexual dysfunction together.

It is also hard to divorce the complete lack of pleasure in sexual matters from the complete lack of pleasure in all other matters, and they can be scientifically surmised to come from the same cause and operate by the same mechanism.

The cause being: the dopamine antagonism which is one of the main mechanisms of antipsychotics, like paliperidone/Invega, and the main mechanism behind antipsychotic effects as well as, by scientific consensus, depression and sexual dysfunction inducing side effects/
Additionally, dopamine inhibition is thought to be the main mechanism by which general anhedonia (depression), musical anhedonia (depression), loss of coffee effects (depression/dopamine system), Neuroleptic Induced Deficit Syndrome (literature on NIDS suspects dopamine inhibition is responsible), and sexual anhedonia/low libido (dopamine inhibition) all occur.

These symptoms which are hallmarks of people who suffer from paliperidone/Invega induced depression and sexual dysfunction, may also occur (with the exception of NIDS, which is by definition medication caused) from non-medication etiologies, while still being explained by dopamine mechanisms.

The point is, the depression and sexual dysfunction are so intertwined for most of us, and it would be hard to discuss one without the other, and discuss recovery in general without discussing them both.

Now, perhaps the concern is with obscenity. Perhaps posters discussing sexual health could talk in sterile and medical general terms. But, nonetheless, I believe the ostensible purpose of these threads, the suffering involved, and the scientific and medical purpose of discussion, should override any concerns about obscenity.

2. "Illicit drugs" discussion should be allowed on these threads, and not relegated to other threads, as a medical therapy for paliperidone/Invega caused depression and sexual dysfunction, for various reasons:
As for the suggestion that these threads are not for discussing drugs, and other threads devoted to "illicit drugs" should be where they are discussed, I said that I disagree, if only for the exception of discussing "illicit drugs" in these paliperidone/Invega threads in the exclusive context of medical therapy for paliperidone/Invega induced depression and sexual dysfunction (as opposed to casual recreational use).

Discussing "illicit drug" use as medical therapy for paliperidone/Invega induced depression and sexual dysfunction would make no sense in the "illicit drug" threads, because of the lack of proper context. We would have to explain to people who are likely unfamiliar with the unique phenomenon of depression and sexual dysfunction caused by antipsychotics, why our depression and sexual dysfunction that is medication caused is so different from regular depression and sexual dysfunction, why no treatments have worked, why there is no cure and treatment, how this came about in the first place, etc. It would make more sense to discuss these matters in paliperidone/Invega recovery threads, since the matter of medical therapy for our medication-induced depression and sexual dysfunction obviously directly relates to the question of recovery.

I understand that some people taking antipsychotics are sensitive to "illicit drugs" exacerbating mental health problems. I understand that some of these same people may also have dependence/abuse and other issues with "illicit drugs." However, like I've said before, many individuals in these threads are not sensitive to "illicit drugs" causing mental health problems, nor do they have dependence/abuse problems, etc.

Additionally, I spoke at length in my longer post about how many of these "illicit drugs" are becoming increasingly legal, and their therapeutic and medical benefit, even for depression, is becoming acknowledged by hard science. Thus, while certain psychiatrists would tell us they are contraindicated for people with psychosis (keep in mind, not everyone suffering from paliperidone/Invega induced depression and sexual dysfunction has had psychosis--some of us, like myself, were flagrantly misdiagnosed and have never had psychotic problems ever, and have no mental health issues, besides the depression and sexual dysfunction caused by medication), others would also argue that they are not and, are in fact, beneficial specifically for the depression we are suffering from.

I also argued that the potential medical benefit and relief that could be provided for this depression, given the magnitude of suffering it has entailed (increased suicidality, isolation, hopelessness, unbearable pain, incurability, untreatability, severity, life-destroying, incapacitating, long-term, sometimes permanent), far outweighs any risks, like psychosis, abuse and dependence, which I already said, are risks that are greater for some of us and practically nonexistent for others.

We can be sensitive and offer disclaimers to such discussion while primarily intending it for people who are not at risk of psychosis or substance abuse/dependence and would be good candidates for increasingly legal and scientifically acknowledged "illicit drugs" used as medical therapy for otherwise incurable, untreatable and terrible paliperidone/Invega induced depression and sexual dysfunction.

Additionally, although the Dark Side section where these paliperidone/Invega threads happen to be, do proscribe discussion of "illicit drugs" and are, essentially, "drug-free" and "sober-living" in philosophy and subject matter, that is not the ostensible theme of the paliperidone/Invega threads. For whatever reason, paliperidone/Invega threads happen to be in the Dark Side section and probably should be in another section, since not everyone in these threads has substance abuse/dependence issues nor sensitivity issues to "illicit drugs" in relation to mental health problems (that includes me).

Additionally, there are some things which would be difficult to discuss in the other threads devoted to "illicit drugs." The phenomenon a lot of us suffer from, which is a complete loss of sensitivity to coffee, alcohol and some of these "illicit drugs," is completely unheard of in all of science. Googling and researching this phenomenon generates zero results. No doctors have ever heard of this. It has long been thought to be scientifically impossible. Therefore, if posters who suffer this unique problem from paliperidone/Invega side effects (it may be a primary effect, since the primary mechanism of dopamine inhibition is likely the direct culprit) bring up this problem in "illicit drug" threads, posters there will be mystified. They have probably never encountered such cases and they would not have the context necessary to discuss the matter. Therefore, the discussion of the loss of sensitivity is best reserved for these paliperidone/Invega threads, and is a worthy topic, from the point of view of public welfare, medicine and science.

Thanks! I hope my post doesn't get deleted. I don't see why it's inappropriate in any way. Send me a personal profile message if you feel my post is inappropriate and what I can do to discuss the matter more appropriately.

Your post is still there they didn’t delete it.

 

[loosewheelnut]

I'm 6 months since my last injection.
Do you guys think that all the Paliperidone in my brain and body is out of my system already?
I have a fast metabolism naturally and I'm a skinny guy.

It takes around 250 days for paliperidone to get out of your system

 

[Merek]

It takes around 250 days for paliperidone to get out of your system

Yeah I did the math that’s about when it will get out of my system by the time you’re 8 months off it should be all out anything after that is likely paliparadone withdrawal or the brain re adjusting to the changes paliparadone made too it once it’s all out of your blood cannabinoids like CBD can help restore your brain with their neuroprotective properties.

 

[loosewheelnut]

Yeah I did the math that’s about when it will get out of my system by the time you’re 8 months off it should be all out anything after that is likely paliparadone withdrawal or the brain re adjusting to the changes paliparadone made too it once it’s all out of your blood cannabinoids like CBD can help restore your brain with their neuroprotective properties.

Yes after 8 months it didn't feel like I was really in distress anymore, I just felt mildly sedated it was fine.

 

[paranoid android]

It might be from all the drugs youre taking but yeah if I get adhd symptoms from invega permanently I could live with it but I doubt that will happen.

it could maybe have something to do with the zyprexa im on i guess also i do have borderline adhd according to a psychologist i saw. But it's gotten so much worse since i was first put on invega. I even find it hard now to focus on watching a movie