Come down from long (~24-30 hours) phenethylamine trips

[bloodshed344]

This is just pure speculation but I would think that psychedelic psychosis would be somewhat similar if it is sleep deprivation being the main cause instead of too high of a dose.
However I would again speculate that it would take the form of a bad trip type of scenario as opposed to amphetamine psychosis having the characteristic extremely realistic visuals, although both would very likely cause large amounts of paranoia.
IMO it's like comparing apples and oranges, they are different drugs so there will be more differences when both put you in a state of psychosis, but on the other hand for both to be classified as a psychosis then there would obviously need to be some similarities.
As well I don't think the term "psychedelic amphetamine" is entirely accurate, they are phenethylamines, and while all amphetamines are classified as phenethylamines, not all phenethylamines are amphetamines.

I said psychedelic amphetamines but I meant phenethylamines too.

To Never Knows Best: Yes, I see your point for sure. I'll still probably attempt 100 mg 2C-I in one go, just based on previous experience this shouldn't be too big of a deal, or do you think 100 mg of 2C-E would be better? 2C-I is more visual but it's also more stimulating. 2C-E has more of a sickening bodyload.

But honestly I like the feeling of a long, redosed phenethylamine trip.

I want to know, what could be the cause of a psychedelic comedown? There definitely was one in my circumstance, not just sleep deprivation. I felt the typical sad thoughfulness and also some physical symptoms of comedown. I believe phenethylamines have a greater tendency to cause comedowns than other psychedelics too.

and holy toast, psychedelic amphetamines are the DOx drugs such as DOM. I know my basic nomenclature.

I can only imagine how terrible the diarrhea must have been during and after this trip. EEEEEK

And gee, what a wonderful and innovative use for psychedelics. Clever jokes and word play 8(

The laughter I had during that trip is the first time I'd felt truly happy in about half a year. From now on be more respectful. When you can't even pick up the full scope of the event I'm talking about you can't judge it. Maybe you're not an experienced tripper, in that case you need to learn what it's really about. Sometimes laughter with friends is better than ego destruction and being stuck in warp zone.

 

[bloodshed344]

I can only imagine how terrible the diarrhea must have been during and after this trip. EEEEEK

And gee, what a wonderful and innovative use for psychedelics. Clever jokes and word play 8(

The laughter I had during that trip is the first time I'd felt truly happy in about half a year. From now on be more respectful. When you can't even pick up the full scope of the event I'm talking about you can't judge it. Maybe you're not an experienced tripper, in that case you need to learn what it's really about. Sometimes laughter with friends is better than ego destruction and being stuck in warp zone.

 

[slownerveaction]

This is just pure speculation but I would think that psychedelic psychosis would be somewhat similar if it is sleep deprivation being the main cause instead of too high of a dose.

I second this point whole-heartedly.

 

[Solipsis]

I think intense trips are often exhausing not necessarily because of physical exertion but rather psychological effects with great impact. The more intensive experiences are the more work it takes to process and integrate the experiences which we do by sleeping, it is believed we do this by dreaming to be specific. I think that if you have a strong psychedelic trip that is pushy and warping you need that sleep and rest to recover. Maybe this reduces the time it takes to get sleep deprived if that rest is not granted, and of course residual psychedelic effects may be synergistic with the delusional effects of an unstable and sleep-deprived mind.

Recounting experiences, even irresponsible ones some (i.e. others) might irresponsibly call 'heroic', is not always dicksizing in and of itself. But downplaying the potential risk and damage, for example to get HPPD or precipitated psychotic episodes, etc does goes against our HR policy. Chronic effects are often hard to associate with the causes and it is IMO a bad idea to underestimate problems overdoses can lead to, even if acute toxicity seemed limited. The fact that you did not need hospitalisation is no proof that it is not harmful and we are not here to share with each other an impression that this is acceptable behavior.

Honestly, look for other ways to get the mix of psychedelic and stimulant or super-intense effects you seek. Use high doses of a physically benign drug like LSD instead, for example. In any case, in cases like this don't downplay it but add a disclaimer reminding others that it is not recommended and we do not consider it normal... considering people don't always get the hint when you talk about delirium in font size 1. Read the forum guidelines.

 

[bloodshed344]

I think intense trips are often exhausing not necessarily because of physical exertion but rather psychological effects with great impact. The more intensive experiences are the more work it takes to process and integrate the experiences which we do by sleeping, it is believed we do this by dreaming to be specific. I think that if you have a strong psychedelic trip that is pushy and warping you need that sleep and rest to recover. Maybe this reduces the time it takes to get sleep deprived if that rest is not granted, and of course residual psychedelic effects may be synergistic with the delusional effects of an unstable and sleep-deprived mind.

Recounting experiences, even irresponsible ones some (i.e. others) might irresponsibly call 'heroic', is not always dicksizing in and of itself. But downplaying the potential risk and damage, for example to get HPPD or precipitated psychotic episodes, etc does goes against our HR policy. Chronic effects are often hard to associate with the causes and it is IMO a bad idea to underestimate problems overdoses can lead to, even if acute toxicity seemed limited. The fact that you did not need hospitalisation is no proof that it is not harmful and we are not here to share with each other an impression that this is acceptable behavior.

Honestly, look for other ways to get the mix of psychedelic and stimulant or super-intense effects you seek. Use high doses of a physically benign drug like LSD instead, for example. In any case, in cases like this don't downplay it but add a disclaimer reminding others that it is not recommended and we do not consider it normal... considering people don't always get the hint when you talk about delirium in font size 1. Read the forum guidelines.

But drugs aren't an acceptable behavior. That's the response Never Knows Best would put anyway, haha.

I get your point. I want to know though, long lasting psychedelics, as in more than 20 hours have a tendency to cause psychosis more often, right?

To Kidklmx: I've had only good times on phenethylamines really. The only bad experience I've ever had was with a cannabinoid. Dosing phenethylamines heroically is nothing compared to that stuff. If you guys are getting this worked up over some 2C's, then you should probably be a lot more strict in the cannabis forum and tell people to treat cannabinoids like nbomes becauase in my experience it's easier to eyeball the latter. Not that I recommend doing so, but jus saying. There are certain priorities, and cannabinoids have led to a number of alarming overdoses, and a number of organ damage (particularly brain and kidneys) and death reports.

 

[kidklmx]

Maybe because of sleep deprevation, but I think constant redosing of shorter-lasting ones is much worse.* Could be that the psychedelic amphetamines bind to the various transporters and thus have the possibility of stimulant psychosis, but got nothing to back that idea up. Psychedelics and the Human Receptorome doesn't say so, but kinda tough to trust that article completely

*That's with equal lenghts in mind, a huge dose (which you'd need for the same intensity) of, say, DOB can't be good for your brain either. Just be careful with this stuff, especially you because IIRC you have had some bad run-ins with other phenethylamines in the past.

p.s Good response on the dick-sizing comment, but like Solipsis said a little disclaimer would be nice. Now I don't believe anyone in their right mind would see this thread and be like "Now THAT is a great idea, I must do it", especially not a beginner that doesn't know what he's doing, but still..