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[Combo Subthread] Psychedelics & Amphetamines

First off, some psychedelics are potentiated by amphetamine. LSD has been reported to become much more intense on any amphetamine compound. So please be aware of your dosage and comfort level.

Secondly speaking of comfort level I hope you can handle the panic. Amphetamine will definitely add a bit of edgieness, anniety, and possibly paranoia to your trip. Individuals vary alot in this effect of amps so know yourself before you think about doing this.
 
theWorldWithin said:
Secondly speaking of comfort level I hope you can handle the panic. Amphetamine will definitely add a bit of edgieness, anniety, and possibly paranoia to your trip. Individuals vary alot in this effect of amps so know yourself before you think about doing this.
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Finally somebody says it!

Amphetamines + almost any psychedelic = a white knuckle ride to hell

I will never, ever, repeat that mistake.

Kudos, how about skipping your daily amphetamine dose on a day you plan to take psychedelics. Unless you are so accustomed to regular amphetamine use that you don't even notice it anymore, I suggest taking your psychedelics "clean".
 
I don't know. I think combining low amounts of 2C with amphetamine will still be a winner. 2CB, at least, is already pretty stimulated for me (in a good way), but lacks that energetic push that could make it orgasmic.

Out of curiousity did you combine with a phen or a tryp Bluedolphin? I dont think I'd want to mix a stimulant with a tryptamine, personally.
 
I have sampled 2C-I and (d,l)-amphetamine before. The doses were 25mg and 22.5mg (sublingually), respectively and the experience was...absolutely fantastic to say the least. Than again, I now take (d)-amphetamine daily for ADD (back then, I was still on methylphenidate, which I had to let clear out of my system if I wanted the amphetamine to have an effect), so I now find amphetamine to mix well with just about anything :).
 
egor said:
If you have been on it for a while and are tolerant to the effects, dont expect a ton of interaction
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I've smoked weed after being tolerant to adderall for a while and the two drugs definitely still interacted strongly.

If there was really that much tolerance from taking it daily, doctors would have to be constantly upping the dose. When you take prescribed amphetamine compounds, you take them to get their effects, so when ever you take them you will be effected by them and they will interact with other substances; just like with people who are taking amphetamines for the first time at slightly lower doses.
 
OK here's a follow-up question.

Has anyone found that they react poorly to 'vanilla' 2C's, but react more properly when supplementing with speed (or any other drug, for that matter)?

I react dismally to all of them. I lose all energy and acquire a general malaise. The people I've done them with have a marvelous time, save one, who is very much like me. We both seem to react poorly to the same drugs, particularly 2C's and Cocaine (which acts as an anesthetic more than anything else), and exceptionally to others like Shrooms, ecstasy and speed.

I'm not an expert by any means, but I've come to think that this negative reaction may be a result of some sort of dopamine deficiency. I'm thinking that if amphetamines are used as a dopamine supplement, my reaction to the 2C's will be more appropriate.

I suppose the only way to know for certain is to experiment, but has anyone tested a similar theory?
 
blue)dolphin said:
Finally somebody says it!

Amphetamines + almost any psychedelic = a white knuckle ride to hell
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I agree. 5-MeO-DIPT and 2C-halogenated compounds are the only exceptions to that rule that I have encountered.
 
I would say 2ce+mdma suck, the mdma just boosts the 2ce but dusnt synergize or add an xtc like elements to it(like happyness,body high etc...)
 
the other night i ate some adderal and railed enough 2c-b to turn the floor into a river for a while. it was pretty fun with no discomfort (other than, you know, the 2c-b eating away at my nasal cavity) but i did feel a bit more jittery than i would have liked. otherwise it was great.
 
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According to my caculations these 2 chemicals seem to be silimiliar.... Very Interesting hmmm
 
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Well, they're both phenylethylamines...is that what you are getting at? The effects are pretty different, though subjectively there is some similarity (particularly during the early parts of an intense 2CE trip - periph stimulation, racing thoughts, etc).

But, don't expect just a few hours of stimulation taking 2CE.
 
Most 2C's seem pretty stimulating to me. When I go on my forest walk while tripping on 2C-B or 2C-D foe example, I find that I walking up the hill seems to require less effort. And I can also do strenuous exercise for longer (e.g. push-ups or lifting myself up on a metal bar).

But yeah, they're not exactly just stimulants. There's so much else to them.
 
I have found MDMA+2C-B to be a very nice and visually intense combination, but when combining 2C-B with speed the visual part becomes decreased and not as powerfull and complex.
2C-B is the best on its own, maybe with a bit of N2O and good weed.
 
Seems like they would combine pretty well I would only worry about muscle tension cause I get a lot of that from amphetamine and 2c's alone, especially 2c-e.
 
Following the glowing report of 2CD + amphetamine on erowid, I tried this combo...and it is really nice....really really nice. Lots of energy, visuals, euphoria, but no 'mindfuck' from tryptamine type trips. party time stuff.
 
Amphetamine (and other stimulants) and psychedelics

The conventional lore is that stimulants + psychedelics = bad trip, or at least they increase anxiety. The more I read about people's experiences, the more obvious it becomes that that isn't generally true. In particular, I think it varies with people's disposition towards stimulants.

Anecdotally, I've heard of amphetamine both suppressing LSD visuals, and greatly increasing them. With 'shrooms, I've heard people say that the amphet + shroom combo is almost decent practice for DMT.

I personally *love* stimulants. I am very careful around them, because I know that they will kill me if I am not. The only psychedelic I've done in combination with amph was 4-AcO-DMT and the experience (22mg 4-AcO and 30mg Adderall) was great although extrordinarily intense. I've never had visuals that strong before or since, and I'd rate it a 3.9+ on the Shulgin Scale. I was with friends so I was pretty grounded for being so fucked up, but had I been alone, a ++++ certainly was within the realm of possibility. It was certainly stronger than the 38mg dose of 4-AcO that I did.

Anyway, I've had trouble finding many reports of combinations with amphetamine
(or other stims) and psychedelics, so I was wondering what you folks have tried. Please include your disposition towards stimulants as well. =D
 
My first trip a few weeks ago was 1 tab of acid, 200 - 400 mg of methamphetamine and an indeterminable amount of weed.

The first half was very euphoric. Had fun socializing, made all sorts of cool connections with people, and omg the music felt amazing like nothing else. The closest I can come to describe it was like an explosion of orgasms rolling through your body, touched me really deeply too.

Around 3 hours into it I took a little more meth and that threw me over the edge. Heart started racing, which made me panicy, the fact that I felt like I had liquid running all over my body and couldn't shake the fear that I'd somehow spilt a drink over me or had gotten piss on my clothes in the bathoom even though I constantly checked that I was dry every few seconds. I mostly spent the next 3 hours wandering in a daze, completely whacked out of reality. It wasnt' a 'bad' trip, I managed to hold myself together throughout the second half, but (other than random moments throughout which were truly magical), the second half was definately not the same pleasant experience.

After about an hour or so into the trip I could barely communicate with people, whenever I thought/felt/saw/experienced something amazing I'd get the urge to go share it with a friend, but as soon as I found someone to talk to I found I could never find words to convey the magnitude of what I wanted to share, so I'd just mumble or stare or go 'hey uhm, wow, just wow.'

For about 6 hours afterwards my sense of reality was still distorted, I could talk, but it took a lot of effort to string words that made sense together. I eventually got some sort of sleep a good 14 hours or so after first dosing, and woke up feeling happy, though very scattered and disjointed.

Anyway yeah, I think the meth both enhanced and ruined the experience. For the 'euphoric' phase it really kicked me into a positive mood, gave me tons of energy, opened me up socially and made me feel really good. It was when I took too much and it started making my heart go crazy that it threw my trip off. Though even through all the paranoia and feeling totally lost and whacked out, I think the fact that I was still high on meth and feeling good is what prevented me from being thrown completely off the deep end.

Can't do a direct comparison because I've never tried acid by itself (hoping to remedy that in a few weeks), but I feel that as long as you keep the dose below anything that would cause issues for you personally, it would probably help enhance the experience.
 
i think it depends on your person. if you already have a preexisting anxiety disorder then probably a bad combo. me, i'd be fine. in fact, i'd probably love it. i'm a big fan of combos.
 
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