Combining dissociatives?

[SpunkySkunk347]

i think nitrous oxide and dxm would have synergy, however i think DXM and Ketamine might not have the best synergy.
Try half doses of each.
If i'm correct they pretty much both have the same mechanism of action. I don't think "one would cancel out the other one"

Worst comes to worst, you k-hole twice as hard, puke your guts out, or god forbid waste your money

Some people call DXM "Ketamine's retarded younger brother". So combining the two is bound to result in an inbred monster bent on taking over the world.

 

[psood0nym]

I have a rather large friend who, without tolerance, has IM'd 250mg of ketamine and was still walking, and talking semi-coherently. He needs enormous amounts to get psychedelic effects.

However, he was able to get full psychedelic effects from just 50mg of ketamine IM'd when he used it on top of about 400mg of DXM and 5mg of insufflated 4-AcO-DMT. Though I'm sure the 4-AcO-DMT contributed to his experience, I have to imagine that the DXM must have contributed heavily to the ketamine effects because his reaction sounded predominately like a dissociative trip. For the degree of dissociation you will feel, the DXM and ketamine combination is probably safer than taking X amount more DXM to reach roughly the same level.

 

[theWorldWithin]

enjoy the neurotoxicity tards K + Nitrous has provent o be significantly more excitotoxic than either alone. I would be willing to be money that DXM + K is even more so. Certainly not worth it in my opinion.

 

[psood0nym]

So did some scientists give monkeys recreational doses of ketamine and have them suck down a few balloons before dissecting their brains, and did they follow that by comparing those brains to the brains of monkeys that just injected K or hit nitrous balloons all the time? I swear, the crazy things our tax dollars go to fund!

 

[Jamshyd]

enjoy the neurotoxicity tards K + Nitrous has provent o be significantly more excitotoxic than either alone. I would be willing to be money that DXM + K is even more so. Certainly not worth it in my opinion.

Not if you moderate yourself and watch your vitamin intake (I believe supplemeenting with B vitamins is key).

ps. Neither K, nor Nitrous, are excitotoxic. In fact, they are neuroprotective against excitotoxicity.

PCP is excitotoxic, but that is mostly because of its significant dopaminergic action. Unfortunately, too many outdated (or plain rediculous) studies lump Ketamine and PCP into the same pile.

 

[lazydullard]

i don't think dxm and nitrous have synergy. you're just on dxm one moment, and then you're on nitrous... and then you're on dxm again. at least with '2nd plateau' doses and below. I haven't tried a high-dose dxm with nitrous. but it doesn't sound any more interesting.

 

[girlygrrl]

i don't think dxm and nitrous have synergy. you're just on dxm one moment, and then you're on nitrous... and then you're on dxm again. at least with '2nd plateau' doses and below. I haven't tried a high-dose dxm with nitrous. but it doesn't sound any more interesting.

well try 2nd plateau dose of dxm with a hit or two of salvia leaf (not extract) and then do the nitrous. It is way more fun than anything else I've ever done in my life.

I'm currently robotripping and getting ready to try k on top of it to see how they play together...

 

[trogere]

Please do not EVER mix K with alcohol. My friend shot K while drunk and within minutes passed out and then started choking on his vomit and luckily my friends were there to prop him upright and save his life.

I thought all K users knew not to combine K with strong depressants...LOL. It's common knowledge.

Also why the hell would one want to mix something sloppy and unpsychedelic like alcohol with something magical like K? Unless they just want to get as fucked up and numb as they can and that's just dumb.

Never mix K with GHB too.

 

[mr.mackey]

I remember reading (i think in the DXM FAQ) that taking a medium dose of K during a dxm trip will "boost" the trip one plateau higher, like it would turn a second plateau into a third. I think it would be a good way to both conserve the K and stretch out the experience so to speak, because DXM is so long lasting

 

[girlygrrl]

I remember reading (i think in the DXM FAQ) that taking a medium dose of K during a dxm trip will "boost" the trip one plateau higher, like it would turn a second plateau into a third. I think it would be a good way to both conserve the K and stretch out the experience so to speak, because DXM is so long lasting

I tried this last night and it seems to be the case. It isn't as mindblowing as I thought it would be but definitely when you do K on top of a dex trip then it takes less K. With this combo it is very hard to tell where dex ends and K begins but when the K wears off you can tell b/c the dex is still there. It is basically not much different from a K trip except that you don't almost come down to baseline you come down to dex-line. It seems like a reasonable way to stretch out your K because you seem to need less of it to hit the same levels.

I loved K back in my clubbing days (not to club on but I discovered it at a rave) but then when I stopped clubbing I didn't have easy access to it and started doing dex instead.

Then recently K came back into my life and the first time I tried it then it felt just like dex, and I thought it was weird because dex seems like a poor substitute for K after you've done a lot of K. But now that I've comboed them then I can tell the difference just it is a lot more subtle of a difference than I thought it would be.

I would say that when you combo them dex fades into the background, but comes back when the K starts dropping off.

I don't know why so many people are such chem snobs, dex is not a bad drug and just because high school kids can chug cough syrup and it is legal to buy/posses, it doesn't make it vastly inferior to K.

K is a generally more fun but is WAY more expensive and does not last long at all, which may be an advantage if you don't set aside time to trip and just want a few quick bumps before bed, but not so much of an advantage if you want to chill all weekend and do a trippy movie marathon. Dex is not that bad and deserves far more credit than "K's retarded brother" or something.

I like K a lot but given my recent experience I'm thinking I may only want to do it when I'm already robotripping just for financial reasons and also because the comedown is a lot further away from baseline which is good for longer sessions.

I don't know if I've said this too much already but it bears repeating: salvia leaf (not extract) is extremely fun to do when you're on dissociatives. Try it on K, Dex, or Nitrous and you'll see what I mean (some of the best trips I've ever had was on dex+salvia+nitrous)

 

[mr.mackey]

I agree, I dont think that dxm is really as bad as people make it out to be, but maybe thats just us. the first time I did K my first thought was that it was just like dxm, just alot faster and smoother. I actually find K to be more nauseating too (even when IM'd) but only when i try to move around. I have yet to try the dxm and K combo, does it lengthen or shorten the duration of the dxm at all?

 

[girlygrrl]

^ it did not seem to affect the duration of the DXM one way or another, but as usual I do DXM about 6 hours before bedtime so I can sleep thru the comedown so I can't say 100% for sure.

The combo also made the K feel like I'd already done a line and then just did another line. When the K wore off the DXM still was strong as it was before taking the K.

I drank one bottle of orange-flavored cough syrup which was about 360mg DXM which is P2 for me, and then the K lines were probably 50-70mg each although I didn't actually measure it out. So I've no idea how K would react to higher doses of DXM.

Waking up the afterglow was much stronger than DXM alone but it also was more warm-fuzzy and I liked it a lot even though it did make me rather out of it today.

I was watching 2001: A Space Odyssey in blu-ray, that is a trippy movie to began with but much more so on a dissociative bender.

 

[mr.mackey]

Hahaha Im planning my next dissociative trip around 2001 A Space Odyssey, maybe A Clockwork Orange too cuz I am in love with Kubrick..

Was the orange flavored cough syrup dxm polistirex? or regular?

I was kinda expecting that it wouldnt affect duration, hoping actually cuz dxm lasts pretty long as is.

this may sound odd, but, did you have any trouble urinating? cuz I have found that on 3rd plateau or higher doses I will come to a point where I have to piss, but cant, same thing happens on K, but it lasts so short that its usually not a problem.

 

[Iodjini_dk]

4-MeO-PCP + ketamine was a decent combo for me. I think 4-MeO-PCP itself is pretty damn boring, repetetive and long-lived. But it works great at potentiating ketamine. Had some of the most lucid and long-lasting K-holes Ive had in years. For this purpose 4-MeO-PCP is simply great. Not sure Id do it again though. Im a bit reluctant towards 4-MeO-PCP and still there was a lot of waiting time for something to happen with this drug.

Ketamine + nitrous is also great stuff. They fit perfectly together. A decent amount of K followed by a few whippets and youre almost guaranteed to K-hole

 

[B.mans]

I often see warnings about K and alcohol... I've never even gotten nauseous on this combo. I guess it differs per person, as I have seen some people become sick from this combo, while it affects others like it does me (not nauseous at all).

 

[girlygrrl]

Was the orange flavored cough syrup dxm polistirex? or regular?

It was HBr. Just the generic kroger brand.

this may sound odd, but, did you have any trouble urinating? cuz I have found that on 3rd plateau or higher doses I will come to a point where I have to piss, but cant, same thing happens on K, but it lasts so short that its usually not a problem.

No, but then again I have an overactive bladder as is. Especially if I drink any caffeine.

 

[girlygrrl]

I often see warnings about K and alcohol... I've never even gotten nauseous on this combo. I guess it differs per person, as I have seen some people become sick from this combo, while it affects others like it does me (not nauseous at all).

While I've never comboed K and Alcohol, I have comboed DXM with it and also Nitrous with it and both of those combos have caused vomiting. Frankly Salvia is likely a ton more fun to combo with K if you're going to do a combo at all.

 

[toolfan420]

I often see warnings about K and alcohol... I've never even gotten nauseous on this combo. I guess it differs per person, as I have seen some people become sick from this combo, while it affects others like it does me (not nauseous at all).

I've been warned about it too but that didn't stop me from taking K with alcohol and xanny bars. I never had any problems and never even puked.. but I wouldn't recommend anything that stupid to anyone. Alcohol/benzos (or both) seem to take away a lot from the ketamine experience. Can't say it isn't fun though

 

[helium-4]

I've tried Nitrous and DXM. I was on ~700mg of DXM at the time. Dosed the nitrous three times through out the experience. That last time I ended up reaching a full on ego-death. Was pretty crazy.

 

[azgaza]

Ketamine and nitrous are very nice together in absolutely any dose, the nitrous high seems more relaxed then usual, more gradual and more intense too; and it just enhances the ketamine a lot. Thats the only combination of two dissociatives I tried; but combining both or either with psychedelics is also a lot of fun.

Ketamine and downers is dangerous by the way, I saw a mentioning of ketamine with alcohol and in high amounts that could be really dangerous. When the amounts of alcohol are low ,lets say 1-3 beers, then there is not much harm. If you drunk enough alcohol to feel alcohol effects its typically safe to say you shouldn't do ketamine, if you're below that level it doens't seem to make any difference.