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Combined Bupe/Citalopram Detox

I'm sorry if this wasn't already discussed, but why do you want to come off buprenorphine and the SSRI at the same time. If you've been on the SSRI for any length of time (6 months or more), it is highly recommended by most to come off either the buprenorphine first, or the SSRI, one at a time regardless. But then again, you know yourself best. Good luck OP!

EDIT: Silly me, okay now I see. In this case, I'd strongly suggest tapering the SSRI, even if you are experiencing the shit side effects you are, again assuming you've been on it for some length of time. If you've only been on it for so long, it isn't as important IMHO.

I have to say, BL, especially Sober Living, is a wonderful little place :) <3
 
Sorry to be a pain but please may I have this thread moved back to EADD? Reason being is that EADD is my main sub-forum, our services in recovery are different n most of the members, there, know me n my jouney.

When I asked for this thread to be moved I was not myself, feeling frustrated n did, via telephone, say thay I had changed my mind n no longer wished for it to be moved. I just assumed that the mod would have told the other mods, forgetting that they may not have gone been on BL at that time.

If it could be moved back, could I have name changed back to 'Ecey's Detox Thread' as thus is about coming off 3-FPM also. As I say I was not in my right mind set that day n apologise for any inapropriatenes - but if my thread could could be moved back; n the name I'd ne hugrly greatful.

Evey
 
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Wow this entire thread is a trainwreck. Next time I would recommend posting it directly to the Sober Living subforum so your detox thread doesn't turn into this.
 
Lol if it helps someone else later down the line it's worth it. When I've finally got through this, for others struggling n feeling that there's no hope, to realise that others have been there, n that they can do this n get better. If I can help others it will all be worthwhile. No time for regrets, only past experiences that can be made into opportunities in the future.

Evey
 
toothpastedog said:
I'm sorry if this wasn't already discussed, but why do you want to come off buprenorphine and the SSRI at the same time. If you've been on the SSRI for any length of time (6 months or more), it is highly recommended by most to come off either the buprenorphine first, or the SSRI, one at a time regardless. But then again, you know yourself best. Good luck OP!

EDIT: Silly me, okay now I see. In this case, I'd strongly suggest tapering the SSRI, even if you are experiencing the shit side effects you are, again assuming you've been on it for some length of time. If you've only been on it for so long, it isn't as important IMHO.

I have to say, BL, especially Sober Living, is a wonderful little place :) <3
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Sorry I missed this. Basically an extremely close relative has never liked me being on subs or antidepressants n has been on at me the whole three years to get off. Says I've not got depression, it's all in the mind n that I should forxe myself off. That they're not medicatiom - they're drugs.

When a stalker told my fsmily about my 3-FPM use (n has been blackmailing ne if I don't leave BL) my famiky took all my 3-FPM away; went balistic n then went on at me about being on subs n anti-deps again n stopped speaking to me. Sp, feeling totally out of comtrol n on huge 3 comedown from 2-month binge I thought "OK, I'll cone off everything n if I go through sheer hell they'll be proud of me."

So I started this thread thinking, whether people agreed or not, they'd respect my decision n support me through it. To cut a long storry short I lasted from the Saturday to the Thursday n called the doctor. Said that citalopram (celexa) was makimg me impulsive n over-react to stuff. I came off this suddenly before but it just made me feel anxious n extremely obsessive so I'm going to go n try sertaline. The family member doesn't understamd this n doesn't want me on them but I can't handle the anxiety n depresion not being on them so i'll try sert n if that don't work I'm fucked lol

With subs I tried taking 24 12.8 codeine tabs n it did not relieve it so I'm now on 1.6 mg n tapering gradually. Not happy with myself for this. I am scared that something will happen n sabatage it. Last July I was tapering n then tried to kill myself ended up four days in hospital on IV drip so I'm worried that something will happen that will stop me succeeding eith this.

But what I was wanting to do, someone I had on Facebook from an old Facebook group was in detox to get off subs. She had so much support; all encouraging her etc. I wish I knew what she was doing right to have so Many people care for her n want her to succeed yet I'm alone. I tried to get support like that n I get called an attention seeker n people wanting to argue n put me down. She doesn't realize how lucky she is to have so many caring for care. Once I'm through this I'm going to help others so no one has to feel alone or like the worst person ever.

Evey
 
Yes. Fatigue is common when withdrawing/tapering. Your body & mind need time to adjust to the lowered dosages. Unfortunately, lethargy can persist for awhile even after you've fully detoxed. If you're experiencing insomnia (also common), this will also obviously contribute. Dehydration will sap your energy as well, so ensure that you consume plenty of fluids.
It may seem counter-intuitive, but exercise can be very beneficial.
 
Nah the exercise makes perfect sense since endorphins have been depleted due to the artificial ones that opiates produce - by exercise more likely to speed up the release of natural opiates. When I tried stopping completely I couldn't sleep, was restless as hell n had restless leg syndromes in lefs n fingers but now just feel fatigued. Am also transferring from citalopram to sertaliinw n detoxing 3-FPM too.

Evey
 
That sounds rough Evey. Sub withdrawal is pure hell especially if you've been on it a couple years. The best thing you can do is just taper at a glacial pace and treat the withdrawal symptoms as they appear. You might even think about pausing the sub taper until you get your anti-depressant right. Trying to taper two drugs at once is probably not a good idea.
 
Thanks. I wish others realised that. I tried getting support n they made it clear I wasn't allowed support n said I was "attention seeking" I've been advised to use kratom to aid WD. Has anyone used this? Whats your experiences with it?
CJ i think you're right about not tapering them both but it's too late now.
3-FPM seems to allieve symptoms but I've ran out of tgat

Evey
 
Wow, you have a double whamy going on. Sorry to hear this, don't you just love it, you ask for help and assistance, and then it seems to turn on you. Try and hang in there, are you coming off subs because you have to or just for personal reasons? I don't mean to pry, just curious. Maybe you could tackle the one switch over and then work on subs? Keep posting, doesn't seem like "attention seeking" here, I don't think people will label that here, we are all out to help each other. Fondly bono
 
Kratom can work very well for getting off opioids, just keep in mind you'll have to get off the kratom. You will probably have to dose multiple times a day, like three or four times throughout the day. Also, keep in mind kratom is not like buprenorphine or methadone - it isn't going to give you any crazy buzz or get you high if you have a tolerance to real opioids.
 
I am very new here but your posts about you struggles really touched me. I hope you are doing better today and I admire your strength. Hang in there. I had no subs for 5 days cause i didnt have the money and it truly have nevèr felt so sick in my life.
 
I've got a script for an additionally 0.4 mg for next week bevause there's no way I go down to 1.2 mg its too soon. I may seem weak but but I was sobbing the other day because of the idea of never having subs anymore terrified the hell
Out of me.

Captain.Heroin said:
Do you have family who can help you take care of your child? <3
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No because I've a stalker on Bluelight who decided to contact my family n tell them of my 3-FPM use, knowing they're anti-drugs n to call child services with a loada lies on me. Now they're angry n not speaking tp me so I'm basically doing alone apart from support from BL I've got no one x

Evey
 
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Just want to say that, although I initially made this thread with the intention of cold-turkey-ing subs n failed, thus comtinuing on a taper, I do not regret anything n here's why.

I want this thread to help others going through this. So many people try to go the 'cold turkey' route n they feel bad, feel like it sets them back im their recovery. I want people to realise that just because one option doesn't work for you doesn't mean you're a failure, just means that the optima you decided wasn't the one for you. There's a quote n it goes "different strokes for different folks." When I get through this I really want this thread to be a journey that's honest n sincere as how can it possibly help others if it is not? I remember saying to someone, "as a lot of people disagree with this decision I cannot mention any negatives points for fear of people saying they told me so." However, this reflects reality so the negatives n positives are mentioned here. Lastly, I chose to document this im thread-form rather than blog-form because only Bluelighters can view blogs - I want this to help
People n thus most people seeking help do some by using Google.

It's just a normal recovery thread, but in my opinion, all this is worth it if it helps other people going through the same stuff.

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Today too 0.8 as attempted to take the subutex throughout the day, but I felt feverish n lethargic, n as I had voluntary work to do, I took the other two tablets 0.8 mg). I also took a small dose of 3-FPM. I was not really advised to do this but feeling so fatigued I needed something that would give me energu to carry out responsibilities. Kratom came n seems to have done nothing. Inam able to do some cleaning n feel normal at mo so I am getting things dome while I can

Talked to my key worker n she has given me a script for an additional 0.4 for next week as I told her that I cannot go down to 1.2 mg from 1.6 mg, within a fortnight of dropping from 2 mg to 1.6 mg. i also have the psychological aspect of dealing with cing off subs. The other night I sobbed at the idea of no suns the same way I did when I was giving up codeine. So basically I'm realising that I wasn't just depend on subs the way ome is on antidepressants, but I am addicted to subs so as well as tapering I need to deal with that also.

Anyway that's enough for now.

Evey
 
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