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Colon Cleanse / Cleansing your System / Colonic Irrigation

Gary Gnu said:
Well, I guess "Healthy living" seems to not include "Science".

What a sad fucking trip.

And some how I thought a moderators job was to "moderate" rather than push agenda.... How exactly did they pick you for this job?

Not a single shred of evidence that this practice does what it says... and you jump on board.

If you ever catch fever, try bleeding yourself for an hour or so. Generations after generations claim it works wonders. Those "doctors" with "medical training" obviously have an agenda....

I am not saying that "they" (Westwern doctors) know everything... but intestinal health has been pretty *well* covered in terms of modern science.



Are you talking like 1950?

Have you seen the cancer survival rate in the last 50 years?

What is your medical training? Are you a doctor?
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Not pushing any agenda's here. Ive been open to both sides of this whole issue. The only "evidence" Ive seen for what I feel to be true comes from REAL LIVE people who have undergone these procedures and have TOLD me their results. I dont know what YOU trust more, but I tend to believe REAL people when they tell me they got a colon cleanse and it made them feel great, as opposed to something Id read in a medical journal. You know? Most holistic medicine is not really supported by western medicine studies. I also mentioned in one of my last posts that there ARE risks when undergoing this procedure and one should understand this before making the choice. Im not sure what agenda you think Im pushing..Im not saying if you have colon cancer you should go get colonics instead of seeing a doctor or anything.

It just seems to me that you think nothing should be discussed in HL unless its backed up by studies in medical journals. I want healthy living to be a place people can discuss any aspect of health and lifestyle, and a lot of that includes herbal, alternative, and holistic medicine, much of which has not undergone many studies, at least not yet.
 
The only "evidence" Ive seen for what I feel to be true comes from REAL LIVE people who have undergone these procedures and have TOLD me their results. I dont know what YOU trust more, but I tend to believe REAL people when they tell me they got a colon cleanse and it made them feel great, as opposed to something Id read in a medical journal.

It just seems to me that you think nothing should be discussed in HL unless its backed up by studies in medical journals.
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Scientific methods are based off of cumulative subjective reports of REAL people. There is no obvious objectification in the human race, as everyone is different, especially medically.. but we can get a very solid bell curve when taking a sample of the whole and seeing if all their subjective accounts add up.

On this thread alone, three people have claimed that vegetarian diets have improved their colons to a point where they think it was the best time their colons ever had. If that's the real people you seek, they're closer than you think. If holistic medicine is what you seek, that too is closer. Remember, holistic is about finding core things that affect bigger influences, ie the whole.

Now then, I have a personal opinion on the colon cleanse matter. Sure, I bet people who have the procedure done say they feel great. John Wayne died with what, 40 lbs of crap in his intestines? I'm sure it feels super good to get that rotting feces sucked out. But will it help your colon in the long term? I'm sure this is what the medical reports are disagreeing with, as it is not a long term solution for a long term problem. The top diseases today are not short term problems, such as car crashes. They are accumulative degredations of the body, such as smoking, that will take a toll until something like cancer is reached.

So how do we approach this? Perhaps holistically? Well then, where can we pinpoint the problem? What is the solution? Let's start by brainstorming what we take into our bodies that can be carcinogenic.

-Cigarette smoke
-Caffeine
-Alcohol abuse
-Abrasive chemicals (also found in cigarettes 8( )
-Cooked flesh


That's right, a carcinogen is emitted from meat when cooked that not only increases your risk of cancer, but also, like cigarettes, increase risks when combined with the above. And we're not talking one type of cancer, but anywhere in the body!

And as an added bonus, only animal products give you bad cholesterol. Heart disease is strongly linked to bad cholesterol and saturated fat, both of which animal products have more of than anything else. And might I be reminded of the top killer of adults in this country? Heart disease and cancer!

I really didn't want to say it, but holistic medicine does make sense when regarding this topic!
 
Dtergent said:
Yay Dj Danny!

Most doctors know diddley squat about really being healthy. All they know is to give you pills. They don't see the dynamic interaction between what you eat, how you live life, and your health.
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^I absolutely 100% agree. Maybe whether or not colon cleansing was promoted by western medicine would mean a lot more to me if I actually agreed with a lot of the things practicied in western medicine, such as the overuse of medication, treating the symptom instead of the cause, etc. I think western medicine is way ahead when it comes to acute things (broken legs, gunshot wounds, heart attack, etc) but when it comes to preventing illness, we are way behind.
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Yes, so true! The politics in the bulk of western medicine are set up to "treat" disease rather than "cure" it. Last time we cured something was the in the middle of the last century. Today we focus on how long you can "live" with the disease.
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Exactly!!

Simply b/c the politics of western medicine are all driven by capatalism. Its better business to keep people dependent on the treatment of sypmtoms rather than providing them a cure. B/c the medical industry (mainly the pharmeceutical one) keep their wallets full by continually providing a pill that alleviates pain rather than one that is a one time cure, figuratively speaking.
 
Anyways....on to the orig topic...

Well ive concluded, from both opposing views, that herbal supplementation vs. colon cleasing and nothing at all, seems to be the most logical way.

Psyllium husks dietary supplement w/ the aid of acidophilis to replenish the freidnly bacteria seems to be the way to go.

Very informative thread....

Stumbled upon this earlier and thought it was just rediculous...

http://www.colonblow.com/

You can also order your very own "Colonblow" T-shirt. available in short sleeve and long sleeve.....and oh shit..... a hat too!!

"Poppin is cool"

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After reading this entire thread i have learned alot and concluded that supplements and increased veg/fruit intake would be my best option. With that said i purchased colon cleanse the psyllium husk capsules. I'm wondering if capsules are even useful, should i get something i can mix into a drink instead? And what is this about probiotics, i gotta combine it with acidophlius or whatever now? anyway just basically looking on reccomendations supplement wize, thanks.
 
I buy probiotic supplements at vitamin world. They dont cost very much. I get my colon cleanser stuff just from metamucil..its a powder you mix into juice. Just be sure to get the 100% natural psyllium husk kind..NO flavor..you dont want the crap thats full of aspartame. I have one big glass each morning in 100% juice.
 
^I know, I agree with you. I was replying to Gary..
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StagnantReaction took the words out of my mouth.

If you want to advocate diet change OK, but the CC *procedure* is likely not safe, and less likely to change the outcome of long term health.

This is why I wonder why an advocate of a board that professes "harm reduction" would advocate or support such a practice. But shit, I don't pay the bills. :\ And after all, how careful should one be enhancing one's health? We all die some day.... Just a balance of risk no?
 
Well I sure know a lot of people who have had that procedure and not had any serious consequences. To me, I see if no difference in getting a colonic than taking the newest trend in herb form. A lot of herbs havent been fully studied for safetly either. I support discussion of colon cleansing here, but as Ive already said, I NEVER SAID that everyone should GO HAVE A COLONIC DONE now did I? I simply am discussing it. The only thing I think I ever really "advocated" was colon care and cleansing through diet, fiber, probiotics. If you want me to tell everyone they should never have a colonic done, Im not going to. People should decide whats best for themselves.
 
Well I sure know a lot of people who have had that procedure and not had any serious consequences.
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Glad for that! However, enough people have… (people you don’t know) to cause the medical community to denounce the practice. I am interested in your experience, but trust *actual* studies in most cases.

To me, I see if no difference in getting a colonic than taking the newest trend in herb form.
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Really? Getting a tube up your ass or taking "the newest trend " ? IMO one is an invasive quasi-medical, dangerous, procedure. The other is a pill with a small amount of plant material in it. A pill/material that does not carry the risk that CC does.

A lot of herbs havent been fully studied for safetly either.
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You got that right, and this is a good thing or a bad thing? Not sure where you are going here.

I NEVER SAID that everyone should GO HAVE A COLONIC DONE now did I?
The only thing I think I ever really "advocated" was colon care and cleansing through diet, fiber, probiotics. If you want me to tell everyone they should never have a colonic done, Im not going to. People should decide whats best for themselves.
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No, you did not. :) Nor did you ever acknowledge/support the risks that are documented.
 
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MynameisnotDeja said:
Summing it up-

1) "Colon cleansing" through fasts or taking fiber supplements and eating a diet rich in fruits and vegetables is a very good thing.
2) "colon cleansing" through colonic irrigation is praised by some and doubted by others, for some it seems to help a lot but one should do research on it before getting one because there are risks.
3) A meat free diet is most likely the healthiest diet for ones colon, but the choice to go meat free is an individual one, and some feel healthier with meat in moderation while others feel their best meat free. This is fine, and meat in moderation probably wont do one too much harm, but wont HELP either.
4)Smoking is bad for the entire body, including the colon, and leads to cancer of any kind.
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I believe that is acknowledging that there are risks.




As for the herb thing, Im just saying, when it comes to alternative medicine, one is pretty much on their own to see what works/whats harmful etc. Colonics are no different. Why are you so against this? How often do you see on the news that someone died from getting a colonic? I dont quite understand your anti colonic mission here. Ive already stated my neutral opinion about it, so please stop acting like Im telling everyone to go get one. Im completely neutral on the topic.
 
Is an enema basically the same thing as irrigation? Will using an enema provide the same results as getting a colonic?

I once read that drug dependant people could go into withdrawal from using an enema? Is this true? Would this happen with a colon irrigation?

I have a problem with constipation due to opiate use and I am really interested in learning more about this stuff...

I just feel weird about going to a place and letting someone put something in my ass..
 
Enemas are usually associated with temporary relief of constipation and shouldn't be used to address such a chronic problem brought on by opiate usage. Your best bet should be a diet high in fiber, both soluble bulk-forming and non-soluble - eating less but more often. If your regularity cannot be achieved by such, then the only alternative would be to drastically cut down on the opiate use or cut it out altogether. Having a chronically stagnant colon will lead to eventual health problems, much of those we have already discussed.

A colonic is usually associated with supplemental cleansing of the colon and not a solution for constipation. Constipation is of physiological origin and must be dealt with in that way, not by an anatomical manipulation such as a colon cleanse.
 
Anecdotal evidence is useful. They are known as n=1 studies, or case studies.

Just because a treatment doesn't have statistical significance at n=X (where X is larger than 1), doesn't mean that it won't work in an individual (n=1).

The philosophy of Naturopathic medicine states that it is the physican's duty to treat the whole person and develop a treatment plan suited for the individual.
 
Most colonics require large volumes (approx. 30-70 oz) of fluid to "cleanse" the colon. There are risks involved with rectally invasive and extensive treatments.

An enema *(fleet brand for example, 4.5 oz ) is used mostly for the temporary evacuation of large bowel, impacted and constipated stools. Sodium/phosphates are used to increase bowel moisture and lubricate stool.
Unfortunately, enemas don't work for long term use of chronic bowel interruptions and can interfer with electrolytes (salt, potassium..ect).

Laxatives are used to promote motility (movement) of the actual digestive system ...abuse of these will also cause nutrient and fluid imbalances.

A stool softener (like docusate) ...is less likely to interfer with normal digestion and elimination ...should you need gentle intervention.

Most persons prescribed opiates are given a stool softener (where im from).

Intake of fluids and a diet promoting elimination will ultimately be a gut's goal for optimal function.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enema
 
i've always wanted a colon cleanse (edit:COLONICS)...I'm going to schedule it next year. We only have it back here at a place called The Farm which is a like a very high end sauna/rejuvenation/health place in the province....and its very expensive (takes about 5-8 treatments to be "completely" clean)

My friends who have taken it swear by it....one of my guy friends lost FOUR pounds right after and lost his paunch as well.
 
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