Colombia Is No Model for Mexico's Drug War

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Colombia Is No Model for Mexico's Drug War

Far from breaking morale, the tactic of taking out the heads of trafficking groups gives junior thugs a shot at becoming the kingpin--if only briefly.


By Sanho Tree

When Washington ramped up its anti-drug efforts through Plan Colombia, more than 90 percent of the cocaine consumed in the United States came through Colombia. A decade later, we get about 97 percent of our cocaine via Colombia.

Amazingly, officials are hailing the program's "success" and want Mexico to learn from Colombia's experience. While Plan Colombia may have helped make that country safer from guerrilla attacks, it has failed as a drug control strategy. Adapting that program in Mexico won't staunch that country's bloodbath and isn't likely to produce better results.

Washington's response to Mexico's increasingly violent drug trafficking problem has emphasized disrupting criminal organizations by breaking them up into smaller fragments. Yet there's no evidence that this strategy of "fracturing" the traffickers ever worked in Colombia, where we've already tried it for two decades.

Sure, we helped break up the vicious Medellín Cartel and its successor, the Cali Cartel. But the law of unintended consequences had the last word. Far from ending Colombia's cocaine trade, we merely removed the two big monopolies and "democratized" that lucrative economic space for hundreds of smaller micro-cartels. We can't even count these new organizations, much less infiltrate and disrupt them. These crackdowns may please politicians in the short term, but they're counterproductive in the long run.

In Mexico, President Felipe Calderón launched his ill-conceived, all-out drug war in late 2006. Since he considered the police forces too corrupt, he fought the traffickers with the army. Its attacks prevented the traffickers from settling turf wars, creating a perpetual imbalance. By weakening one group, the Mexican army created a vacuum that rival traffickers fought to take over.

This process of "rinse, lather, repeat" has cost some 35,000 Mexican lives. And it isn't working. Cocaine seizures have plummeted (Mexican authorities stopped 9.4 tons in 2010, compared to 48 tons in 2007). Only in Charlie Sheen's mind could this be considered "winning."

Left alone, Mexico's rival drug kingpins would likely settle their turf war much sooner and return to a "Pax Narcotica," where the half-dozen criminal gangs could get back to business. Their fight would be violent, but much shorter than the current endless quagmire. Then they would carve out their respective trafficking routes and go back to making huge amounts of money.

Fighting drug traffickers isn't the same as fighting guerrilla insurgencies. Fracturing guerrilla groups can help break morale and encourage individual fighters to desert or surrender. Fracturing trafficking groups merely creates job opportunities for aspiring drug dealers who continue their bloody turf war indefinitely.

Moreover, the process of breaking down the large traffickers merely lowers the barriers to entry for new criminal entities seeking to expand their market share. Far from breaking morale, the tactic of taking out the heads of trafficking groups gives junior thugs a shot at becoming the kingpin--if only briefly. Unfortunately, there seems to be an inexhaustible reservoir of Mexican criminals who prefer a short life as a king to longevity as a peasant.

Our practice of repeatedly beating the hornet's nest ensures that the hornets will never settle down. Our politicians see Mexico in flames, and their knee-jerk response is to throw water on the fire by increasing military aid.

But the Mexican fire more resembles a grease fire, because it is driven by the economics of drug prohibition. The criminals are fighting over the right to traffic what are essentially minimally processed agricultural commodities (marijuana, cocaine, heroin, etc.) that should cost pennies per dose. Prohibition gives these substances an unintended, astronomical price support. Throwing conventional "water" on this "grease fire" is disastrous. We have tactics without a strategy because there's no endgame in this unwinnable war.

President Barack Obama recently admitted that drug legalization was a valid subject for debate even though he didn't support it himself. That was the most daring admission made by any sitting U.S. president on this subject. If he's serious, we should stoke this debate before another 35,000 lives are needlessly lost. There are many alternatives in the spectrum between prohibition and total free market legalization. We need to stop talking in terms of black and white.

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When Washington ramped up its anti-drug efforts through Plan Colombia, more than 90 percent of the cocaine consumed in the United States came through Colombia. A decade later, we get about 97 percent of our cocaine via Colombia.

the ineffectiveness of the drug war has long led me to believe it is all a for-profit farce.
 
I would agree with you rm-rf, one of the biggest bonuses for legalization of drugs that people argue is the ammount of money the government would get from taxes, they proally just laugh at that valid point because they're already getting greased by the cartels.
 
what an interesting perspective from the article ''..... what are essentially minimally processed agricultural commodities .....''
i am reading ''murder city'' by charles bowden. it chronicles the morass of violence in a dying mexico .
there is no end in sight either .
 
mexico's situation is so fuct right now, but it's nice to hear that obama said that (never heard it before this article tho..), just getting it in the open would help.

Mexico's cartels are in an extremely vicious war, you have CDG and CDS (gulf and sinaloa cartels) putting up banners asking Calderon to pause his efforts on them so that Calderon and "carteles unidos"(CDG+CDS in this particular effort) could 'join' to try and take out the Zeta's:

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((( "Mr. President Felipe Calderón, we know that you do not negotiate with drug traffickers. However, with all due respect to your authority, and for the welfare and future of the families in Mexico, we propose a common front between the “Carteles Unidos” and federal forces in the struggle to eliminate the Los Zetas criminal gang that are so damaging to the nation.

We know there would never be a deal, but this is not about drugs or money, let alone about the fight for plazas. This is about saving human lives.

Once the task of eliminating Los Zetas is achieved you may continue your mission of trying to eliminate drug trafficking."
)))


For obvious reasons that wouldn't be taken credibly by calderon, since gulf/sinaloa would just fight after the zetas were gone - presuming they even had the capacity to take the zetas (unsure on that). Actually it's the gulf cartel that brought the zetas in the 1st place, zetas were CDG hitmen who struck out against their old employer and are huge now.

Things are getting really bad there, I mean ciudad juarez, nuevo laredo, etc the main border towns are a fucking warzone on their side, and a steady amount is coming past the border to laredo texas and, obviously, much further.
I'm doubting anything less than either full-legalization OR outright warfare will end this. The zeta's are extremely violent and have the worst "rep" in the mexican public's eyes it seems, which is why cartels are trying to join to fight them, but the thing is that you're talking about groups that have bought the local police, courts, tons of the federal agents that were supposed to be the magic-key to this when calderon took power.



It is nice to see people bringing this issue up - I'd highly recommend "borderlandbeat.com" for information on the subject. Many simply do not have any comprehension of what it's like there (large scale police-convoy ambushes by the cartels, police station seiges, dead bodies/severed heads a regular thing like almost daily..like they took a page from the ME-terrorist handbook on the videos, but it's to the point you're seeing vid's of castration of living people, beheadings, all kinds of stuff, and these aren't isolated they are the NORM.)
But I don't see legalization happening, nor do I see resources/agents coming in to stop it, anytime soon. The problem with the agents is they'd have to come from elsewhere, perhaps not even from north america, because if they're local enough they will be bought the same as all the officers before them, 'plata o plomo'.
 
I would agree with you rm-rf, one of the biggest bonuses for legalization of drugs that people argue is the ammount of money the government would get from taxes, they proally just laugh at that valid point because they're already getting greased by the cartels.

I dunno if I'm misreading what you wrote, but are you suggesting the cartels have greased the US gov??
Highly unlikely, the US gov could covertly do what it wanted there, it wouldn't be taking bribes when it could get more $$ other ways..
 
the ineffectiveness of the drug war has long led me to believe it is all a for-profit farce.

No question, whether it's greased politicians/cops/soldiers in mexico, the obscene cash for just crossing the border onto I35, pharm profits in the US, the prison/police setup in the US, it's allllways about $$!
 
It's off of a blog that translates these articles to english, letting maybe several% of the US (who care to look) actually see what's happening.
But I'm going to politely agree to disagree with you on that, for the moment. That's kinda because I rememeber trabajadoros(sp?) = jobs, but WAY more because they're fighting wars over the plazas of many towns (the zetas, sinaloa, gulf, juarez, etc etc). The plazas near the border are the battlegrounds of much of the fighting (nuevo laredo likely topping any other in brutality/sheer # of killings of cartel-members, police, and politicians daily). Cartels' hit squads still go after the others, as was always the case, but in past years the fighting has changed. Now many plazas are straight up warzones. I'm talking 18-wheelers blocking the in-roads to block/slow the military while there's complete open warfare in the centres. Their weapons, tactics, and brazen lack of care about innocents/police/politicians has changed considerably. Even if there's not straight up warfare in the plazas, you just have all the sides sending in groups to 'turn up the heat' in the plazas - saw a recent "tortured before killed" video of some zetas (should mention I've got no sides/care re specific cartels) who were being interrogated, through their questioning you could see there's a very clear heirarchy(obviously), and....well I'm gg find it to show the actual transcript (NSFW of course), it's a clear line of terrorist commands that's just crazy "terrorist" or 'NarcoTerrorist' whatever, but it shows that those questioned in the video weren't there to go after the rival cartel, they were going there, well were there actively terrorizing the police/army/citizens/etc of the plaza to 'turn up the heat'. I'll tag it NSFW and put the video link/translation of interrogation below in a few, gotta google a second ;P


OH - yes, it is caligula, one of my favorite movies eva!!! There hasn't been a movie in that class til "pirates" came out (arguably, of course - not saying pirates compared on any level, just that it was 1st solid attempt since caligula), and caligula is just awesome!
 
Not gonna tear around for the video I mentioned since I just found something comparable enough - the following transcript is of (military/Gulf-cartel or both are the most common guess I've seen as to the captors) interrogating 'Z34' or David Rivera Alvarez.
((It still shows everythind I'd said the video I wanted to find had.
They captured/interrogated killed him re the tampico area violence and, most specifically, the Mirage nightclub killing that claimed 5men/2women (click on the following NSFW will link you to an article on it, I'm NSFW'ing the link because the article has the pictures of those slain mixed with the text of the article).
Mirage-club massacre:

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(NOTE: I did NOT link the video itself, just the translation and 2 pictures, one of which is NSFW and tagged with another NSFW for double-protection ;P )Clicking NSFW right below will just show you the man sitting in a chair, nothing gruesome, and the actual translation of the interrogation. Once you finish that, if you click the NSFW button within there, it'll show how the guy turned up after the video was done.
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"Captor"
What's your name..


"Z43"
David Rivera Alvarez


"Captor"
Who do you work with..


"Z43"
With the Zetas


"Captor"
What's your code name?


"Z43"
Z-43


"Captor"
What is your rank...


"Z43"
Second in Command of the "Plaza" in Tenosique, Tabasco.


"Captor"
Who is your boss..


"Z43"
Comandante" Charpane (don't know if this is exactly how it's meant to be spelled)


"Captor"
Where are you coming from?


"Z43"
From Villahermosa


"Captor"
What where the orders your boss gave you.


"Z43"
To act as backup for the "Zetas" in Veracruz.


"Captor"
How long since you got here to Tampico?.


"Z43"
15 days ago


"Captor"
What where you here for?


"Z43"
Start some heat up in the "Plaza" of the Cartel Del Golfo. (Basically this means to start conflict in the area)


"Captor"
Who is your immediate Superior..


"Z43"
The "Comandante Guera Liliana, or Alias La Puma.


*Note* In the video, the Z says "La Comandante".. Stating his superior is a female.. I had not heard of this character before.. Apparently the Zetas in tampico who killed all those people, where actually being supervised, or should I say, ORDERED, by a woman that goes by the name of "Guera Liliana" or Alias "La Puma" .. OK, let's continue


"Captor"
Who was the one that planed all the attacks on Tampico?


"Z43"
Guera Liliana La Puma


"Captor"
What did you do in Tampico...


"Z43"


Grenades where thrown in the nightclub in Tampico, grenades where also thrown at the soldier posts..
They..


(before Z43 finishes his line, the captor interrupts him with a question)


"Captor"
What was the name of the place, the nightclub you are talking about.. What is it called..


"Z43"
What?


"Captor"
What is the name of the night club you attacked..


(Z43 acts as if he is having such a hard time remembering the name.. Suggesting a couple of things. Either this had already been rehearsed, or he was afraid he was going to get shot the moment he said "Mirage". He took a couple of seconds before he tried to say.. Mo.. Moriage.. Trying to make it seem like he couldn't pronounce it. Again, the same question is asked and the Z is finally able to push out a response that sounded something like "Moriage".. His voice cracking up, I could almost swear it sounded like he was Crying.. Now with me stating that perhaps it was rehearsed, does not mean that it's fake.. But the Captors could have recorded him more than one time, perhaps not happy with the way the video came out?)


"Captor"
What else did you do..


"Z43"
They killed some people in a white Jetta, thinking they where "Grameros" (basically means people who sell drugs on the streets), they also threw grenades at the "Feria" and killed innocent people too. They also killed an officer.. They killed a taxi driver too. Attacked the military checkpoint here in moradillo, sir.


"Captor"
Who attacked the people in the "Feria"


"Z43"
Carlos, El Mono, El Buho y El Guapo.


"Captor"
Who planned those attacks..


"Z43"
La Comandante Guera Liliana


"Captor"
Who attacked the nightclub (before the captor finishes talking, the Z interrupts him and clearly pronounces "Mirage?")Mirage.


"Z43"
The Mirage? (It's funny how he had no trouble pronouncing this word this second time around.)


"Captor"
Yes, who attacked it... Who participated in the event..


"Z43"
Carlos, El Buo, El Mono y el (I can't make what he says here) con la guera y yo hiva en el taxi.


"Captor"
Quien ataco el puente moraldillo.


"Z43"
Approximately 20 trucks who rested at the command of La Guera Liliana.


"Captor"
Why did you plan on attacking the military base?
"Z43"
Because before she had already wanted to attack it, the municipal court but no, they had a confrontation with the soldiers and no, she wasn't happy. So she went and threw grenades at the soldiers and also to heat up the situation in the "Plaza of the CDG."


"Captor"
Who killed the "Grameros""Z43"
El Guapo, El Buo y El Mono


"Captor"
What else did you plan on doing


"Z43"
Killing the Taxi Driver Alcones (Lookouts, people who keep an eye on things and report anything unusual) To kill the other Grameros..


"Captor"
What else did you plan..


"Z43"
The plan was to take over the Plaza so that we could attack from within.


"Captor"
Attack from within?


"Z43"
Yes, correct.


"Captor"
Who was going to stay in control of this operative?

"Z43"
La Comandante Guera Liliana


"Captor"
And you.. what was your job in this operative..


"Z43"
I was in charge of some groups they send from Villahermosa, of the Comandante Charpane..(at this point you can hear his voice just crack up, the man with his eyes covered is just waiting to feel the bullet.. I guess as he feels that the interview approaches to an end, he starts to fear for his life even more..)


"Captor"
How many elements did you have..


"Z43"
10

"Captor"
(louder)How many?!


"Z43"
10


"Captor"
How many elements where there in Tampico, of the group that belonged to La Comandante Guera..


"Z43"
Approximately 30


"Captor"
30 elements?


"Z43"
Yess..

After a few seconds, the video goes black..

Honestly, this is quite a "tame" video compared to many others, and, dare I say, a quick/easy death (gunshot to the head) instead of being diced up, or like the newest video of the guy hanging/swinging from his feet while he's castrated, throat slit, all that then cut up and put into bags..)
NSFW:

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^^ that's actually a good interpretation. Actually the most correct translation of "plazas" here is "territories"

Derivado de ésto, actualmente se ha incrementado la violencia en varias ciudades del país, tales como Ciudad Juárez, Sinaloa, Nuevo León, Tepic, Michoacán y Tamaulipas, debido a la pelea de "plazas", es decir, territorios de control, éstos estados donde hay conflicto son aquellos donde existe una fiera batalla por controlar el tráfico de drogas, por los que el gobierno del país emprende un intento por detener la violencia a través de un conflicto interno llamado guerra contra el narcotráfico y desde 2006 a la fecha ha habido una ola incesante de crímenes.

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcotráfico_en_México

besides the architectural sense, "plaza" in Spanish has a secondary meaning that is synonymous with Job and also Territory (depending on where you go); where I'm from if a job opens up somewhere you can say "pusieron un trabajo" or "se abrio una plaza"
 
to be clear, these incidents/videos are *extremely* commonplace, this quasi-dated one was chosen to match the video I wanted to find with an english translation, there's much gruesome shit from this week so I don't want any confusion/misunderstanding that there was a need to go back in time a year to find this kind of thing. And again this barely touches the 'gruesome' scale. I just want to make it clear this is not unusual, actually yknow what here's links to two more interrogations of zetas about THIS particular incident. If you click either of the following two links, nothing NSFW will show up on your screen when the page opens- if you scroll you'll have the translated interrogations, embedded video, and pictures:
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To further clarify, neither video is a torture video. Any bruising was done before the interrogation was videotaped. The executions are not on video iirc, although if you're worried then just stop the video when it's 95% done.
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"sad reality of los zetas"


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zeta interrogation by comandante R1
 
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shit we simul-posted, if you check that post there's a translation of an interrogation about it now
(and I get ya re 'plazas'- can't say it's interpretation, i just typically hear it in relation to these wars/videos/articles, so if I hear plazas mentioned along with drugs, cartels, whatever, I always just wonder which plaza war they're talking about, as it's soo common - BUT that translated interrogation I edited into the NSFW three posts ago shows how they use it - it's translated obviously, but if anyone speaks spanish I'll find a link to the actual video itself)

Suffice to say, the title of this thread cannot be more accurate. What "worked"... in colombia is not applicable here.
(they have to be aware of how hard it was to do something like colombia and that was when ONE guy was the kingpin!! Trying to apply that to mexico is retarded. Nevermind that many think it was what did happen in colombia that brought on the current situation, to a degree - the change from huge orgs to medium/smaller orgs with heavy competition, which is good for prices/product, and horrible for the countries where the suppliers operate)
 
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<<<235360287471352662- just fyi I updated/edited a couple of the earlier posts w/ more stuff relevant to the fallout on the zetas related to tampico/the mirage massacre>>>>>

honestly dude that's really nothing - the idea of "narco terror videos", "narcomessages"*, and these slaughters are happening as a daily routine in mexico.(narco messages = bodies, heads, or both/neither accompanies by signs with a message, usually just taunts to the other side, but the bodies/heads with notes are extremely regular, like multiple times/week)
That's actually quite tame, I didn't post other things because a ) I was worried they're too "shocking" for most to actually read/could potentially violate BLUA(have to re-read it), and b ) I don't want to make people sick, if you look further or pm me directly I'll link you whatever, but if I put that castration vid up it'd def put some off of looking at this situation at all, very f'ing gruesome.
But trust me that was really tame in both the manner of death, and the fact they're still-shots and not a video filmed *at* the scene by the captors.
 
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Could you elaborate there? I'm not saying I've got any reason to negate that, but I've just never seen much to support it either. There's one cartel - perhaps two - that seem to have 'special consideration', but it seems largely/entirely a mexico-thing (there is knowledge of this on the US-side, can reference if needed, but it seems more an acknowledgement of mx's relation w/ said group(s)).
I'm just curious why you're thinking that, specifically. I'm not saying I'd really be surprised, but I've seen nothing to back it up, and if I were to speculate on that I'd think they'd want to play the "scene"/support functions more than backing any particular cartel(s).
Although maybe they do both - but right now, I imagine some of the highest ROI's/profits would come from things like methamp precursor shipments, investing in security/hit squads, stuff of that nature, NOT a repeat of the mid-80's. Ollie North/bushSr. and that front-company airliner you're referring to worked very well then, but based on then versus today, I cannot fathom that opportunity is still there. Why? For one thing, that worked well (financially) because they were doing direct shipments from source country to the US, also imagine crack's explosion helped it (or was caused by it...depending on POV there, I guess. Unsure who taught Rick.R how to cook base originally). Secondly, I haven't heard of any quick spikes in supply as one would expect, the markets for hard drugs coming up seem a lot more stable than during the mid80's.
I personally dislike speculating too much, but at the same time there's no way to know much until like decades later lol, so as far as speculation, if anything I'd imagine bushSr./Jr. would be far more interested in afghanistan right now, I mean mexico's situation is so volatile, many different drugs, cartels splitting up or collaborating, etc. Afghanistan is opium-country, ever since we had boots on the ground production has flown back up to huge (historic?) levels, there's a proper "security system" in place via our soldiers, it would be incredibly easy to pull an "ollie north" scheme there relative to mexico, IMO.
/funny, while drugs and their effects lost any shred of taboo in my eyes like 5+ yrs ago, stuff from this thread still has it. Fact is stranger than fiction a lot of times here, absolutely, but I just don't see it as a bushSr/cia setup again, the markets have changed, as has the US's needs, so I just don't see a repeat of a 20y/o strategy, but who knows?
 
In Medellin, where violence exploded because of ongoing gang warfare, police say that the murder rate went from 871 in 2008 to 1,431 in 2009, a 64% rise. (This figure came from the police, the real figure was actually 2200)

This was all caused by a power vacuum as the number #1 guy was taken out(can't remember if he was killed or imprisoned)

FWIW I live in Medellin and feel completely safe in the places I buy my drugs as it's one organisation that controls the area and they "guarantee" you safety even though it's quite a poor neighbourhood.
 
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