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has anybody ever gotten that "head rush" feeling from just standing up alone, without having smoked?

i have passed out NUMEROUS times after smoking. Granted, these instances were during the times where i was smoking MJ heavily and daily.

If you're not eating as much as you should that would DEFINATLY cause a decrease in you blood-sugar levels. MJ increases your metabolism, which in-turn, works on your blood-sugar levels on it's own. Then you have to account for the lack of food in your system. Also, i've found that the environment that you smoke it (outside on a blistering hot day?) or the amount of rest that you have had (been up the entire night before,partying way hard?) also increased my chances of passing out from smoking.

If there is such a thing, i consider myself a pretty experienced smoker. Now that you know that there is potential for passing out, you really have to be conscience of why that may be (apparently, seeing the different replies you've got there are many reasons). You just have to be smart, make sure you eat, make sure you're hydrated, and make sure you listen to your body when it starts to say "slow down, enough is enough"

-jen
 
ya that happened to me once to, I dont think Id eaten/drank for 12 hours and had been taken bong rips, blacked out, dont remember what happened, but to summarize I got in a fight w/ my freinds kitchen counter and the counter won:p
 
haha wow, ive been a lurker on this site since i was about 16 (im neally 21 now) and this thread gave me that bad a case of deja vu that i had to register and post.

It jogged a memory of being at a mates place after school one night, having a semi hot box session (in a tiny single cab ute with 2 seats, cramped as hell) and smoking probably about 2 grams between us in the session, not even particularly a large smoke in comparison to the many we had. But I remember it was about 40 degrees celcius, and id barely drunk anything (and i drink A LOT, to the point where ive been tested for diabetes)so it was unusual for me, and also a hot australian afternoon. I remember taking a CD i had burnt out of the car after the session, (lucky i carried the cd not the glass bong...) and about 4 or 5 paces from the car door I got that echoing ringing in my head, you know when you know you are going to pass out the ringing is in your head not just your ears, and i remember leaning over to try and sit down on this like 1 foot high little rock wall, big mistake, i woke up about 5 seconds later I'd fallen sideways but headfirst into the bushes and somehow SHATTERED the cd with my face when i fell. My mates like shit are you ok, im like yeah im sweet, i get up and i had little bits of twig and leaves and bits of broken cd stuck to my face, few scratches but all good :P

I have a high metabolism as it is, and at the time I have to admit i was slightly worried.
It had slipped my mind, but thinking back my experience was almost IDENTICAL to the ones posted.

I think hydration is also a factor in this somehow, but im not a doctor.
Could also be the fact that i drink a lot of coca cola and it was infact low blood sugar :P

-take it easy :)
 
i always feel faint if i smoke without having sumthing to eat - 1 meal a day is starving ur body and brain of the fuel it needs to stay awake and energised
and then smoking weed takes away the fuel thats left
a good diet full of iron helps, and plenty of water
remember the less u eat the less hydrated u r as well
it definitely sounds like u fainted, and it was probly a combinations of the factors mentioned that caused it
 
I've had the same experience. Me and 4 friends smoked 2 blunts of some extremely kind bud. We started walking out of the woods that we were smoking in to our cars so we could go buy some food, and my vision turned completely white. My girlfriend actually collapsed and nearly hit her head on the pavement when we got to the parking lot (we caught her).

Either way, the white blur only lasted about 5-6 seconds and we were really high so we didn't really care.
 
As a few other people have said, unless it happens more or starts happening when you're _not_ stoned, it's almost certainly nothing to worry about. Happened to me once, I got up and walked out of the room we were all smoking in to get some air, passed out, hit my head on the door.

I'll tell you something though, that confusion can spark off some pretty intense paranoid. God did I look a tit that night. =D
 
hate to say it but these are seizures we are experiencing. no doubt about it.

this happens to me maybe 1 out of 30 times and only happens when i havent gotten sleep or especially when i have been tweaking for days and at the end of my run i smoke a bowl to go to sleep.

it happens to me in varying degrees of intensity. it starts off like a headrush, and i am sure the headrush feeling is just a light form of this, but my vision goes completely blank (black/white) over 2 sec period after i take the hit and unless I get lucky and make myself fall before it takes full effect i will slam into the ground with no control of my body. i broke my nose because of this when i fell face fiirst into concrete.

the thing is.... id say maybe 10 times in my entire life after being very sleep deprived this happens VERY strongly... and i go into a full blown seizure. I slam into the ground and my arms and legs flail/twitch around violently with no control. Ive had seizures because of drug overdoses and this is EXACTLY the same. Its a seizure guys. i know people are gonna disagree simply cuz they would rather this not be true. Im amazed nobody has realized that these are seizures and not headrushes.

What you are experiencing is a mild seizure or something along those lines. Even when this happens to me lightly i experience twitching and seizure symptoms. the full blown seizures were no different than other times going blank and falling uncontrollably, just stronger.

its the 'headrush' that causes the low blood pressure fainting effect but its also the same headrush that, when strong enough, results in full blown seizure. if i didnt have the unfortunate experience in this shit i would deduce that the strong headrush is whats causing the seizure but its not. the strong headrush IS the seizure. i experience some degree of twitching and classic seizure effects every time this happens. it just happens to me much stronger than most other people and i am able to experience the full blown effect that most people mistake for a simple headrush.

whatever is happening thats causing these scary, intense, and dangerous episodes is NOT the drug headrush you think. I strongly doubt that its the rush that causes seizures when strong enough because i experience the symptoms in different degrees even during weak episodes. i would never connect the dots if i didnt know what the full blown episodes were like.

im sure its blood sugar related but just be aware these arent just innocent head-rushes... they are seizures and they can cause serious brain damage. every time i have a big seizure/headrush i feel the brain damage. my brain is fucked for days. the light episodes i have that are exactly like what everybody else describes are simply weak versions of the strong episodes most people dont experience.

im sure im gonna get some people telling me these arent seizures simply because its a scary thought to them. sorry to scare you... but your flat out wrong. these ARE seizures and exhibit classic seizure activity in most peoples descriptions. seizures caused by low blood sugar and the effect of THC flooded into the body.

id love to hear peoples fact based and/or logically founded opinions.
 
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^^^ I don't disagree that seizures could be caused by smoking, google "seizures and lack of oxygen".

However I don't believe they are caused by the "THC flooded into the body." Rather a combination of general stressing of the body (not eating, not sleeping..etc) and lack of oxygen rather than THC. of course the effects of THC would contribute to the intensity pyschologically.
 
lack of oxygen was my guess when I read this..just read the reply above and it seems some of you are sayin this too. Also to the dude above smoking ice and pot gave me some wierd arse feelings in my body sometimes, very seizure like. I doubt just pot will cause seizures though.
 
*~*geNeRaTiOn E*~* said:
ok, i did a search and found similar posts to what i'm looking for but not quite. still, if mods feel this is a repeat post, go ahead and close.

ok, this will be kinda long and maybe a little confusing because i don't remember some of what happened so i'm taking part of this based on what my friend told me had happened.

i smoked earlier in the day (~ 845am) and was fine throughout the entire day. i get out of school (~ 1135am) and call up my friend to smoke again. i said i would match him bowls but ended up smoking all my shit to myself (first indicator that i wasn't thinking straight). so i apologized and told him i would throw in some money to smoke his herb but he said it was cool and passed me the bong. i took a pretty big rip and started coughing but nothing unusual. all of a sudden things started to go white and i was getting dizzy. i thought i was having an anxiety attack so i calmed myself down but it didn't go away.

now, i was standing up when i took the hit and i was still holding a normal conversation even when i was seeing white so i thought i would be ok if i sat down. i couldn't find a place to sit so i decided to sit down on his hose because it was the cleanest and closest spot i could find. well instead of sitting down, my friend said i collapsed and hit his BBQ grill which was behind the hose. i remember looking at the hose and wanting to sit down but i don't remember collapsing or hitting the BBQ so he was scared shitless and started asking if i was ok. he asked me where i was, how i got there and if i knew who he was (i answered fine). he ended up escorting me to a bench where he said i laid back and closed my eyes. i don't remember any of this and really wanna know wtf happened.

i was leaning toward a panic attack but since i was talking normally, didn't seem anxious, heartrate was fine, etc. i figured that couldn't be the reason. next was the whole blood pressure thing but since i was standing up, i don't know how that could've happened either. next choice is lack of oxygen which i think is the culprit but i wanted some outside opinion/advice on this.

oh and i don't think i hit my head on the grill and i was fine after i drank some water.


Been there, done that. :)

Here is a link for you that i explained in depth some medical reasons behind why that happens: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=239948

That should help...check it out...its very simple
 
MolokoVelocet said:
hate to say it but these are seizures we are experiencing. no doubt about it.

They aint seizures. (as far as i can see. IMO this is real similar to what happened to me i nthe past and i got schooled on this shit pretty good.) and i aint no pro, but i got alot to back up why im pretty damn sure I know what homegirls problem is.

Its called "neurally mediated syncope"...fainting caused by your brain and nervous system failing to regulate the right way...check out the link i posted above. it is related to blood pressure, it is related to oxygen problems. and the first thing they thought when I had the problem was that it was a seizure, but they recreated the situation IN the hospital while they were observing with al types of EKG/etc equipment and it AINT seizures.

I cant say for 100% sure exactly that i know without a doubt that it IS what i believe it to be.....but at the same time, i think cuz of all the information i been BOMBED with ever since it started happening to me, all the tests and crap i been thru, i learned a damn lot about this shit and can say with some confidence that this might be the problem.

its funny that you say "these are seizures, no doubt about it"

because you COULD be right, i COULD be right...we both could be wrong,, but for you to come up in here like I KNOW IM RIGHT, and tell her that definitively it is a seizure, when you dont even know, and couldnt possibly even be sure that she experienced a seizure is wack and possibly harmful.

No one is denying what you said because they 'dont wanna believe its true'....but possibly because you could be wrong.

the OP did not mention shaking uncontrollably or any of the shit you did in your post that indicates a seizure.

even when this happened to me, and i was passed out , *I* was shaking a little, and it STILL wasnt a seizure. so dont be so sure....
 
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Neurally Mediated / Neurocardiogenic Syncope

The medical term for fainting is syncope. It comes from the Greek term "syncopa", meaning "to cut short". Syncope can occur due to many reasons, and figuring out the exact cause can be difficult. Over the last several years we have learned a lot about one particular cause of fainting: The disorder now known as neurocardiogenic syncope.

Neurocardiogenic syncope is also known as vasovagal syncope or neurally mediated syncope. It describes a transient failure of the brain to adequately regulate the body's blood pressure and heart rate. The exact reasons why this occurs are still unclear, but a basic understanding is evolving. The blood pressure control centers are located in the posterior parts of the brain (the brainstem or medulla). Every time a person stands, gravity pulls blood toward the lower extremities. The brain senses this change and compensates by increasing the heart rate and tightening (constricting) the blood vessels of the legs, forcing blood back upward to the brain. These centers in the brainstem (the autonomic centers), then work as a sort of thermostat to regulate blood pressure. In neurocardiogenic syncope, the system periodically breaks down allowing the blood pressure to fall too low, causing the brain to lose its blood supply resulting in loss of consciousness (fainting).

These episodes frequently begin in adolescence following periods of rapid growth, although they can occur at any age. While the mechanism by which one loses consciousness is benign, the consequences of suddenly hitting the floor may not be. As the American humorist Will Rodgers observed, "It's not the fall that hurts, it's that sudden stop at the end." While many people will have some sort of warning that syncope is imminent (lightheadedness, dizziness, etc.), some people will not.

Tilt table testing is used to determine a person's susceptibility to these episodes. A patient is strapped to a special table and slowly inclined upward to an angle of between 60 and 80 degrees, and kept up for around thirty minutes. This provides a constant low stress (gravity) that should be easily tolerated by a person with normal autonomic function.

However, in patients with poor autonomic control, this relatively mild stress will provoke a sudden fall in heart rate and blood pressure. Some centers will also use a synthetic form of adrenaline (isoproterenol) as an additional stress.

Therapy for patients with neurocardiogenic syncope has to be individualized to fit that person's needs. Many patients with neurocardiogenic syncope need only avoid predisposing factors (such as extreme heat or dehydration). Some will require medical therapy to prevent further fainting spells. A variety of different medications are used, and no one therapy works for everyone. Some patients may require therapy with low doses of two or three agents in combination. This is often tolerated better than a very high dose of a single agent.

In summary, neurocardiogenic syncope is a complex and common disturbance of the autonomic nervous system that can lead to sudden drops in blood pressure leading to fainting (syncope).
Blair P. Grubb M.D.

from http://www.ndrf.org/ParoxymalAutonomicSyncope.htm

This sounds right...since marijuana increases blood pressure and heart rate, any pre-existing increase in blood pressure and heart rate (the medical problems discussed above, not taking care of yourself) might be enough to tip your brain over into NMS when you smoke.

Also, this provides good evidence against smoking while lying down / sitting and then quickly standing up. Interesting.
 
Cannabis does not increase blood pressure, there's actually a decrease in blood pressure since cannabis relxes the arteries, heart rate increases though.

But yes, blood pressure is increased while you're sitting and it's decreased while standing, so (suddenly) standing up can result in a big headrush, enough to make you black out.
 
Blowmonkey said:
Cannabis does not increase blood pressure, there's actually a decrease in blood pressure since cannabis relxes the arteries, heart rate increases though.

But yes, blood pressure is increased while you're sitting and it's decreased while standing, so (suddenly) standing up can result in a big headrush, enough to make you black out.

I've lived my entire life thinking cannabis increased blood pressure...whoops.
 
thanks for that info, lacey, it was REALLY helpful.

well, i've smoked almost every day since then and it hasn't happened again (although, i admit, i smoke WAAAAAY slower and make sure my rips aren't as big). i just make sure that if i'm smoking, i'm sitting down on something that has a back to it, and that i don't get up right after i'm done taking my hit. =D
 
exactly. anyways what I experience are seizures.... no question. maybe different for other people. but i know what a seizure is in my body and that is exactly what it is.

i fall uncontrollably and my entire body starts twitching and flailing around uncontrollably. ive had seizures... and these are seizures.

maybe different with other people... but in me it is no doubt a seizure.

and it decreases BP... so the arguement against seizures makes no sense.
 
Good for you. You're a bit of a fool to keep smoking cannabis though, you know, if you're experiencing seizures and all.. It's not worth getting high for if those are actual seizures you're getting.
 
This just sounds like an exterme pot over dose to me. I've never seen white, but I've had my vision completely obscured by static on multiple occasions. I just figured I was ungodly high and due to a huge hit I didn't get enough smoke.
 
ive blacked out before,everything strated to go greenm
and i was like wtf.then everything turned black , so i feel down and busted my
headon the pavement.. 10 secs later we went back to get some more bud
god times...
 
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